updating irc logs

git-svn-id: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk@996 a1c6a512-1295-4272-9138-f99709370657

1 files changed, 1772 insertions, 0 deletions

diff --git a/www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log b/www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..19dcd3a452
--- /dev/null
+++ b/www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log
@@ -0,0 +1,1772 @@
+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun  6 03:13:16 2002
+
+-->     adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.204) has joined #rockbox
+---     Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+---     Topic for #rockbox set by adi|home at Tue Jun  4 04:41:56
+<Bagder>        howdy adiamas
+<adiamas>       howdy...
+<adiamas>       just had a major power outage here...
+<adiamas>       lasted near 2 hrs
+<adiamas>       all year we're find...
+<adiamas>       world cup comes on a POOF
+<adiamas>       damnit
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Bagder>        must be a conspiracy somehow ;-)
+<adiamas>       damn right
+<adiamas>       i blame the canadians
+<Bagder>        I miss a tetris for recorder link on the web site
+<Bagder>        that lazy web master B-]
+<dwihno>        Linus: Will you take on the mission to write the decoder code for the recorder build?
+*       Bagder mutters when reading source code written on 160 col lines...
+<adiamas>       hehehe
+<adiamas>       who did that?
+<Bagder>        at work
+<Bagder>        silly windows users
+<adiamas>       hehehe
+<adiamas>       sorry ;)
+<adiamas>       i made a deal with a buddy at work...
+<adiamas>       he went to 80 cols
+<adiamas>       i went to 8 space tabs
+<Bagder>        oh, what a sacrifice
+<adiamas>       heheh
+<Bagder>        I just yell at them ;-)
+<Bagder>        and go my way 
+<adiamas>       we still bitch at each other ;)-
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<dwihno>        8 space tabs?!
+*       Bagder wonders why he has no friends left ;-)
+<dwihno>        Now that's insane
+<dwihno>        looks like somebody dropped a bomb in the source code!
+<Bagder>        source code should not have tabs, only space
+<dwihno>        They should have tabs
+*       Bagder casts a spell on dwihno, you windows... eh, windows... person
+<dwihno>        what's wrong with tabs?
+<Bagder>        people set different tab sizes
+<dwihno>        of course
+<Bagder>        they are 8 when you print
+<dwihno>        :set ts=8
+<Bagder>        it make outputs look crap
+<dwihno>        depends on what printing stuff you use
+<Bagder>        yes, if you're two people you can set requirements on that
+<Bagder>        in a development team with many people, you can't
+<dwihno>        :)
+<Bagder>        believe me, I seen it, done it, used it ;-)
+*       Bagder now has 11 years in the "business"
+<dwihno>        set ts=4
+<dwihno>        whoa
+<dwihno>        how old are you?
+<dwihno>        40?
+<Bagder>        31
+<dwihno>        scary
+<Bagder>        indeed
+<dwihno>        I will NEVER get old! :)
+<dwihno>        What kind of education do you possess?
+<Bagder>        the hard way, the school of life, spare time assembler and work ;-)
+<Bagder>        like Zagor and Linus, I have no formal education in this area
+<Bagder>        we're all home brewed
+<dwihno>        Are you pleased with your salary?
+---     Linus is now known as Linus|very
+<Bagder>        is anyone ever? ;-)
+<dwihno>        I was
+---     Linus|very is now known as Linus|busy
+<Bagder>        I am
+<dwihno>        Although a bitch coder with ZERO skills had more than me, and that bugged me.
+<Bagder>        that's not the case for me
+<dwihno>        coderess
+<Bagder>        although currently the market isn't exactly splendid
+<dwihno>        not really
+<Bagder>        it means less money when the customers renegotiates the rates
+<dwihno>        MONEY FOR ALL(TM)
+<--     Linus|busy has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.")
+<--     datazone has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     webmind has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     adi|work has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     Hadaka has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     elinenbe has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     PsycoXul has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     trillback has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     Tumm has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     dwihno has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     Bagder has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<--     miah has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+-->     Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+-->     Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+-->     elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox
+-->     trillback (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP299.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox
+-->     datazone ([sm5Ow6WK8@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox
+-->     webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox
+-->     adi|work (~adiamas@pool-151-204-140-140.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined #rockbox
+-->     Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox
+-->     PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-43-243.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox
+-->     miah (~miah@pihkal.com) has joined #rockbox
+-->     Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox
+-->     dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) has joined #rockbox
+-->     ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        hey ironi
+<dwihno>        damn
+<ironi> hi there
+<ironi> *yawn*
+*       dwihno just realized that writing sql queries sometimes is a pain in the /dev/arse
+<ironi> dwihno: why is that
+<dwihno>        I want to return multiple counts
+<dwihno>        in 1 query
+<dwihno>        +----+--------+----+-----------+
+<dwihno>        | id | name   | id | projectid |
+<dwihno>        +----+--------+----+-----------+
+<dwihno>        |  2 | Apan   |  1 |        39 |
+<dwihno>        |  2 | Apan   |  2 |        40 |
+<dwihno>        |  2 | Apan   |  3 |        41 |
+<dwihno>        |  3 | Assar  |  1 |        39 |
+<dwihno>        +----+--------+----+-----------+
+<dwihno>        I want to return the projectid count for every id [left one]
+<adiamas>       1. i don't know if postgres lets you
+<adiamas>       2. if you could, you prob do it in a sub query
+<adiamas>       ie: select count(id) from table where id in (select unique id from table)
+<adiamas>       or some such
+<adiamas>       but i dont' think you can do it..
+<adiamas>       i know in oracle we have to do a seperate count for each
+<ironi> you cnat do sub querys in postgres
+<ironi> ?
+<dwihno>        me is using mysql
+<ironi> ok
+<ironi> anyway
+<ironi> i dont unbderstand what you want
+<ironi> i dont gett the table
+<dwihno>        I have a table linking two tables together
+<dwihno>        to make multiple selection of objects available
+<ironi> ok sure
+<dwihno>        the link table has the userid and projectid
+<ironi> you have a like a projcet table , a member table, and a project_member table?
+<dwihno>        and for every user, I want to count the number of projects matching the user id, in a single query
+<ironi> saying which member is involved in which project
+<dwihno>        yup
+<ironi> but is the table you pasted the result you want, right?
+<dwihno>        nope
+<dwihno>        just some example stuff :)
+<ironi> eh,....
+<ironi> caue your project_user tablejust has project id and member id, right
+<dwihno>        yup
+<ironi> ok
+<ironi> well that is impossible with out a subquery
+<ironi> and in mysql you cant do them
+<dwihno>        darn!
+<ironi> well maybe you could do a join
+<dwihno>        I wanted to draw a cute progress bar :)
+<ironi> it was a while since i used sql
+<dwihno>        1 query per user would be a pain in the arse
+<ironi> yeah
+<dwihno>        but who gives a shit ;)
+<ironi> but...
+<ironi> cant you just do a loop?
+<dwihno>        1 query to get the ID's and then 1 query per userid
+<ironi> well eya
+<ironi> yea
+<ironi> loop trough the id's , getting the result for each
+<ironi> or can't you do your progress bar then?
+<dwihno>        Hehe
+<dwihno>        The progress bar makes the stuff so CUTE! :D
+<--     ironi has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
+-->     ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<dwihno>        Why did I ever start doing SQL stuff?!
+*       dwihno dumps the idea of progress bar ;)
+<ironi> dwihno: are you doing php with it ?
+<dwihno>        ironi: jees
+<dwihno>        Pee Höö Pee
+<ironi> but dwihno
+<ironi> cant you do select user.name, count(projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=poject.userid
+<ironi> or am i thinking wrong
+<ironi> ooops
+<ironi> select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid
+<ironi> dwihno: how about that?
+<ironi> dwihno! wake up!
+*       Bagder offers ironi the microphone and turns up the volume of the loadspeakers
+<ironi> thank you
+<ironi> *harkel*
+<dwihno>        ironi: hellö hellö
+<ironi> dwihno: so?
+<dwihno>        What who how?
+<ironi> read the last query i wrote
+<dwihno>        *read*
+<ironi> cant you do it like that?
+<dwihno>        hey, that might work
+<ironi> im kinda embarrased i didnt come up with it immediately
+<dwihno>        Don't be! :)
+<dwihno>        You gave me the DELL tip! :D
+<ironi> ehm
+<ironi> i think you will have to group by
+<ironi> select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid GROUP BY user.username
+<ironi> otherwise you weill get count for all rows on all rows
+<ironi> =)
+<ironi> ok i should be group by user.name if i used user.name inthe slect clause
+<ironi> but u know what i mean
+<dwihno>        Yeah
+<dwihno>        YOU GAVE ME THE DELL TIP! :D
+<ironi> so did this work?
+<dwihno>        I'm fiddling
+<dwihno>        Battery charged
+<dwihno>        I love my archos
+<dwihno>        I never realized I couldn't live without it before I actually got it!
+<ironi> my just shows charging...
+<Bagder>        dwihno: you tried tetris on it yet?
+<ironi> i dont use mine as much as i should
+<dwihno>        Bagder: No tetris for the recorder yet ;/
+<Bagder>        there is
+<Bagder>        wait
+<dwihno>        There is?
+*       Bagder scans for the URL
+<Bagder>        http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/tetris.ajz
+-->     jb1081 (~jb1081@lime.ircam.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        it doesn't spin down the HD though
+<dwihno>        hey, it worked
+<dwihno>        Bagder: how come?
+<Bagder>        the ATA code should do that
+<Bagder>        ... and it doesn't work on the recorder yet :-)
+<dwihno>        hehe
+<dwihno>        Then why are you IRC:ing?! :)
+<Bagder>        hm
+<Bagder>        I don't know ;-)
+<ironi> dwihno: you're welcome
+<ironi> after 10 credits of sql i should have given you the answer immediately
+<ironi> =
+<ironi> )
+*       ironi is gone, out in da sun [l/on p/on]
+<dwihno>        ironi: THE SUN WILL GET YOU KILLED! Get back here! :)
+<ironi> i have my ray-bans
+*       Bagder gets valgrind and ddives in
+<dwihno>        valgrind?
+<Bagder>        "Valgrind, an open-source memory debugger for x86-GNU/Linux"
+<Hadaka>        valgrind is nice
+<dwihno>        I will invent something too!
+<dwihno>        I know, a new X11 toolkit! ;D
+<Bagder>        valgrind is really nice
+<--     Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox
+-->     Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Hadaka>        hey, have you guys looked into 'newlib'?
+<Linus> you mean the removal of it?
+<Hadaka>        hm, I'm quite out of things - removal?
+<dwihno>        What's newlib btw?
+<Hadaka>        nm, I'd better read the mailinglist archives before I ask stupid questions
+<Hadaka>        Newlib is a C library intended for use on embedded systems.
+<Linus> I thought you meant if we had gotten rid of our newlib dependencies yet
+<Linus> we use newlib today
+<Hadaka>        why do you want to get rid of it?
+<Linus> but only for a few functions
+<dwihno>        Hadaka: Ah, okay
+<Linus> because it is of no use to us other that for the header files
+<dwihno>        header files are evil! :)
+<Linus> :-)
+<Hadaka>        hm ok, I don't know enough to comment
+<dwihno>        #include <linus_secret_stuff.h>
+<dwihno>        That's all you need when doing embedded stuff! :)
+<Linus> We used newlib in the beginning when we didn't have much implemented
+<Linus> but now we have all that newlib has to offer internally
+<Linus> that gives us a smaller footprint
+*       dwihno counted project time today
+<Linus> and you don't need to compile newlib when you build the cross compiler
+<dwihno>        <-- is gonna afford a kickass DELL box! :D
+<Linus> dwihno: a laptop?
+<Hadaka>        same interface as newlib or your own?
+<dwihno>        yup :)
+<Linus> Hadaka: same. it's ISO standard
+<dwihno>        with geforce go card
+<Hadaka>        ok
+<dwihno>        So I can play cstrike
+<Linus> dwihno: have an URL?
+<dwihno>        http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_2650.htm
+<Linus> dwihno: phew! that's a BEAST!
+<Linus> a bit heavy, though
+<dwihno>        The tip of the day: The bread "gräddad längtan" is yum with salad and stuff :)
+<Linus> and i would like better resolution that 1024X768
+<dwihno>        Linus: As long as it works ;D
+<dwihno>        I like 1024
+<dwihno>        So I'm gonna dual-boot with linux
+<dwihno>        Linus: You should get some lunch!
+<Hadaka>        I've been very happy since I uninstalled windows my laptops
+<dwihno>        Hadaka: I need Windows for Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator etc. :/
+<Hadaka>        I usually get several months uptime for my laptop
+<dwihno>        yum!
+<dwihno>        Now that's what I call a good lunch!
+<--     Bagder has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.")
+-->     Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+*       Bagder made his first customized valgrind supresses
+*       dwihno is back from the quake session
+-->     havardk (havardk@soraas.student.nlh.no) has joined #rockbox
+<dwihno>        havard kvålen?
+<havardk>       emm, yes?
+<dwihno>        Cool :)
+<webmind>       try icelandic
+<havardk>       dwihno : who are you, and why do you know my name? :)
+*       Bagder awaits the answer ;-)
+<Bagder>        havardk: tried rockbox?
+<havardk>       no, I haven't
+<havardk>       I don't have an Archos, although I've been thinking about getting one
+<Bagder>        hehe, ok
+<Bagder>        well I haven't *really* tried it either as I have a recorder and we don't do well on that yet
+<Bagder>        I've only seen it on Björn's player
+*       webmind waits untill is as equal or more features and les bugs then original firmware
+<webmind>       it has
+<Bagder>        that might take a while .-)
+*       dwihno waits until it show other than ata: -5 on the recorder ;)
+<webmind>       badi have patience
+<webmind>       er
+<webmind>       Bagder, 
+<webmind>       damn this keyboard
+<Bagder>        I'm a bit dissapointed no one tried my playlist code on target yet
+<Linus> I am about to.
+<Bagder>        oh
+<Bagder>        I better hide then ;-)
+<Linus> but i have *shrug* work to do...
+*       dwihno starts the drumroll
+<Bagder>        WORK?! aaaah
+<dwihno>        My hands are getting tired... Test the godforsaken playlist code :)
+<Bagder>        endurance you need
+<Linus> a world record you will beat, my young apprentice
+<dwihno>        Linus: Get back to work ;)
+<Linus> yes. master
+<dwihno>        Damn, it's hot outside!
+<dwihno>        Obey me, you will
+<Linus> :-)
+<Bagder>        rockbox is gaining rank quickly on sourceforge activity
+<--     trillback has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
+-->     edx (~not@pD9560764.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        hi edx
+<edx>   yo
+---     edx is now known as edx|class
+<edx|class>     :)
+<edx|class>     irony.. you got the css file of the internet site?
+<edx|class>     i think there's the defualt font set for linux... take like arial / sans ms for that..
+<edx|class>     hmm bagder.. any progress regarding ata?
+<edx|class>     gotta go
+<Bagder>        no progress yet
+<Linus> I'm beginning my Recorder serial mod now...keep your fingers crossed
+*       Bagder crosses everything he has
+<Linus> Strange...the Line In is already patched on my Recorder
+<Bagder>        uh!
+<Linus> two long wires across the entire CPU board
+<Linus> and connected to two capacitors
+<Linus> I'll just remove them and connect them to the serial port...
+<Linus> ...scalpel, nurse...
+*       dwihno hands Linus the crowbar
+<Hadaka>        ehh
+<dwihno>        Linus: patched?
+<dwihno>        Linus: In what way?
+-->     jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox
+<jedix> hey
+<dwihno>        hey ho
+<jedix> whats up?
+<Bagder>        we're busy crossing fingers for Linus
+<Bagder>        he has his fingers in his Archos as we speak ;-)
+<jedix> cool
+<jedix> I dunno how to handle this scrolling thing without this being OO or threads
+*       dwihno crosses his toes too
+<dwihno>        See? :)
+<dwihno>        ooo
+<dwihno>         O
+<dwihno>        hmm
+<dwihno>        :)
+<Bagder>        we have threads
+<jedix> see the problem is right now, it just does scrolling.. all the time, and nothing else
+<jedix> its in a while(true) loop... :/
+<Bagder>        yes, but it could be in its own thread
+<Bagder>        perhaps
+<jedix> yes, that would do it
+<Bagder>        there's a minor drawback with that: we don't have threads in the simulator (yet) ;-/
+<jedix> an other small problem is that it scrolls well past the screen(takes a while for it to come back)
+<Bagder>        how do you mean?
+<jedix> it scrolls to the left until you can;t see it.. but then it keeps going
+<Bagder>        so make it not do that ;-)
+<jedix> yeah, working on that :)
+<jedix> also, the text warps around the line on me..
+<jedix> where does that happen?
+<Bagder>        that's a flaw in the simulator
+<jedix> oh, ok
+<Bagder>        I'll have a look at it right now
+<Bagder>        that's lcd_puts() in a player, right?
+<jedix> yeah
+<jedix> brb, going to get breakfast
+<Bagder>        ok, I'll commit a fix
+<Bagder>        hm, bad fix
+<Bagder>        better
+<jedix> hehe
+<jedix> so, if I update my cvs.. will my changes be removed?
+<Bagder>        no
+<Bagder>        they'll be merged
+<jedix> k
+<jedix> i get a few errors
+<Bagder>        when updating?
+<jedix> building
+<Bagder>        show me
+<jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `peek_next_track':
+<jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:213: undefined reference to `playlist_next'
+<jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `dirbrowse':
+<jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:307: undefined reference to `play_list'
+<jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/play.o: In function `playtune':
+<jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/play.c:88: undefined reference to `mpeg_play'
+<--     edx|class has quit ("be home soon :)")
+<Bagder>        did you update the uisimulator tree too?
+<jedix> I updated everything
+<Bagder>        hm, do 'make clean' and 'make' again to be sure 
+<jedix> same thing
+<jedix> you don't get this?
+<Bagder>        nope, and neither do http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-auto/
+<jedix> cvs update -dP in the root dir..
+<Bagder>        where you checked out "." ?
+<jedix> yeah
+<jedix> yeah
+<jedix> sorry, wrong window
+<jedix> cvs update: move away uisimulator/x11/xmu.h; it is in the way
+<jedix> C uisimulator/x11/xmu.h
+<jedix> is that ok?
+<Bagder>        no
+<Bagder>        I mean, sure you can remove it, and it'll come back when you update
+<Bagder>        but it shouldn't say that in the first place
+<Bagder>        hm, are you running make in the uisimulator/x11 dir?
+<jedix> I did once.. but I just deleted that dir
+<Bagder>        the uisimulator/x11 ?
+<jedix> I got it now
+<jedix> i deleted the uisimulator dir
+<jedix> and it works
+<Bagder>        it works without that dir?
+<jedix> no I updated and got it again
+<Bagder>        ah
+<Bagder>        ok
+<Bagder>        fine
+<jedix> the text still wraps to the next line though
+<jedix> but I fixed my scroll problem :)
+<Bagder>        wraps one letter or completely?
+<jedix> completely
+<dwihno>        cool stuff :D
+---     dwihno is now known as dw|weekend
+<dw|weekend>    SWEDEN SHALL WIN! :D
+<jedix> I'm sure its thursday
+<dw|weekend>    Me too
+<dw|weekend>    I'm taking the day off
+<dw|weekend>    1) watch the game
+<dw|weekend>    2) go for a weekend trip
+<jedix> nice
+<Bagder>        jedix: regarding the wrapping, you either check out why in the lcd_puts() or I fix that when I code that shows this happen
+<jedix> k
+-->     dfg (~prv@209.166.235.91) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        I think I know why it happens
+<Bagder>        it's a define issue
+<jedix> after I print a line of text I try to clear the rectangle.. but it doesn;t work
+<Hadaka>        running mkfs.vfat on my archos right now
+<Hadaka>        would I need to specify the logical sector size by hand?
+<Bagder>        I don't know
+<Hadaka>        well I didn't, anyway
+<Hadaka>        though I did put -F 32 just in case
+<Bagder>        yes, you need that
+<Bagder>        if I recall correctly
+<Hadaka>        I wonder how long this will take
+<Hadaka>        ooh, finished
+<Hadaka>        hmm! where does this thing save the play mode?
+<Hadaka>        after mkfs.vfat, it still is in random play
+<Bagder>        it saved in an unused sector
+<Bagder>        +is
+<Hadaka>        unused sector outside the filesystem?
+<Bagder>        yes
+<Bagder>        one of the first ones
+<jedix> what is LCD_WIDTH measured in? is it the amount of chars that can be displayed on the screen?
+<Hadaka>        ok so if I stumbled around with fdisk, I could get it erased or something?
+<Bagder>        jedix: that is pixels, and is only available for bitmap LCDs
+<jedix> Bagder: how do I get the lenght on the other screen?
+<Bagder>        Hadaka: I'm not really sure, I'm mostly repeating things I've learned from the others right now
+<Bagder>        I dunno
+<Bagder>        maybe there's a define, maybe not ;-)
+<Hadaka>        yikes, cache writes are scary
+<Bagder>        Linus: what's the status?
+<Hadaka>        weird - I get 10Mb/sec transfer rates and then total lockups when it actually writes the stuff to the disk
+<Bagder>        uh :-(
+<Hadaka>        ooh I love preemptiple kernel patch
+<Hadaka>        load at 4 :)
+-->     edx (OKE60@pD9EAB709.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
+<edx>   hi
+<Bagder>        rehi
+<jedix> Hadaka = Linus?
+<jedix> hey edx
+<jedix> oh... nm
+<edx>   heh.. your function is working now?
+<Hadaka>        nno, I'm not linus :)
+<Linus> I am Linus
+<--     ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+<Linus> i have connected the serial port on the recorder
+<Linus> but the Tx isn't quite working
+<Linus> i might have to dust off the oscilloscope
+<edx>   that's for debugging?
+<Linus> yes
+<edx>   might that help with the ata problem?
+<Linus> of course
+<jedix> edx: sorta working
+<edx>   ah ok
+<edx>   *teatime* :)
+---     Linus is now known as Linus|verybusy
+<edx>   linux: to me it seems the memory area for the command is wrong (but i dont know much about that h/w business)
+---     edx is now known as edx|tea
+<Linus|verybusy>        edx|tea: not according to the schematics
+<Linus|verybusy>        Guys! Do we know if the clock frequency on the recorder is 12MHz as well?
+<Bagder>        I don't
+<Linus|verybusy>        The schematics say 11.05
+<Bagder>        oh
+<Linus|verybusy>        that means i have to recalculate the baud generator...
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<Bagder>        no wonder it doesn't work ;-)
+<Hadaka>        is the cpu in these running at full speed at all times - or is there some halt mechanism?
+<Bagder>        I believe there is some kind of sleep mode, but then we probably can't be playing mp3
+<Hadaka>        but while playing, the thing is running at full cpu?
+<Bagder>        yes
+---     edx|tea is now known as edx
+<edx>   hmm the frequenzy doesnt have anything to do with ata, does it?
+*       edx wants ata to work :)
+<Bagder>        but the frequency needs to be known for the serial port to work
+<Bagder>        without serial port, no gdb
+<edx>   yea.. serial port..
+<Bagder>        without gdb, no ata debugging
+<edx>   but ata .. hehe
+<--     elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]")
+<Hadaka>             6293838 100%   56.69kB/s    0:01:47
+<Hadaka>              968704 100%   12.75MB/s    0:00:00
+<Hadaka>        I wonder if all this fluctuation is caused by the preemptible kernel patch or the uhci stuff or the fact that I have debug output still on in usb-storage
+<jedix> that good or bad?
+<Hadaka>        well I dunno - I can tell when the transfer is finished that what was the total speed
+<Hadaka>        it's a tad bit annoying atleast not to see the real transfer speed since you only see files going into the cache - and then going out of the cache afterwards
+<--     Linus|verybusy (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox
+-->     Coug (~bandaarp@198.187.233.138) has joined #rockbox
+<Coug>  hey all
+<Coug>  hello?
+<edx>   hi
+<webmind>       hi
+<Coug>  ah finally
+<Coug>  are any of you developers in the rockbox project?
+<webmind>       some
+<Coug>  is there any ambition to add aac support to the firmware?
+<webmind>       aac?
+<webmind>       what's that?
+<Coug>  advanced audio something
+<webmind>       doubt it
+<Coug>  low bitrate - high quality
+<webmind>       cos mp3 decoding is done trhough hardware
+<webmind>       through
+<Coug>  ah
+<webmind>       decoding chip
+<Coug>  dang
+<Coug>  do you know, are there any dos drivers for the archos?
+<webmind>       so i think mp3/mpeg will be it
+<webmind>       doubt it
+-->     satino (~satino@0x50c4991f.adsl-fixed.tele.dk) has joined #rockbox
+<Coug>  is there a way to create recorder drivers for dos?
+<webmind>       if u can get usb to work in dos
+<Coug>  how can you do that?
+<webmind>       get drivers
+<webmind>       doubt they exist though
+<Coug>  lol
+<Coug>  you mean just straight usb drivers?
+<webmind>       well
+<Coug>  or archos recorder drivers?
+<webmind>       u need usb support no ?
+<Coug>  of course
+<webmind>       afaik archos uses usb.. so
+<webmind>       u need usb support in dos
+<Coug>  true
+<webmind>       and support for the usb harddrive controller
+<webmind>       isd200
+<Coug>  ok
+<Coug>  but you can use usb keyboards in dos
+<Coug>  so there has to be at least some level of usb support
+<webmind>       dunno bout that
+<satino>        can my archos jukebox work under linux?
+<Coug>  if you get linux drivers
+<satino>        is it easy to set up?
+<Coug>  webmind - my whole goal here is to turn the archos into a bootable harddrive
+<webmind>       satino, sure.. linux support is the current kernel
+<webmind>       Coug, ah.. i think u need bios support then
+<webmind>       Coug, dunno if there are any bios's that support booting from usb hd
+<Coug>  i was thinking about a boot disk (floppy) that allows you to then boot to the archos
+<webmind>       Coug, ah.. then try a linux boot disk :)
+<webmind>       that has drivers :)
+<Coug>  for the archos though?
+<miah>  to get the archos workign in linux, you need a kernel that supports SCSI, and USB ISD2000, you wont see the ISD2000 config option unless scsi is enabled though
+<satino>        webmind, well, do I need to compile a new kernel?
+<webmind>       satino, if u dont have support build in.. probably yes
+<webmind>       Coug, if u have your bootdisk with a kernel with acrhos support u just access it as a scsi harddrive.. and thus boot from it
+<Coug>  webmind - how will that work, because i want to boot windows xp
+<Coug>  could i close linux and then still boot?
+<Coug>  webmind - could you lead me through the general process (starting with the floppy) for a bootable archos?
+<webmind>       Coug, u wont be able to run xp from it
+<webmind>       not booting
+<Coug>  that is why i was thinking DOS
+<webmind>       wont work
+<webmind>       xp doesnt run from dos either
+<webmind>       u need to load the support for the archos at boot from a different medium
+<Coug>  could i then make a bootable cd?
+<webmind>       with linux u can put the kernel with the added support on a floppy disk
+<webmind>       can't do that with xp
+<webmind>       not with winxp
+<Coug>  techinically, why not?
+<webmind>       cos winxp needs write access
+<Coug>  why couldnt it then use the c:\ drive or the archos?
+<webmind>       and it's not reilly possible to determin the files that need to be writeable and put those on a ram disk
+<webmind>       Coug, it could.. but not for booting
+<webmind>       and it needs the system files for booting
+<Coug>  if the cd just enabled the usb and the driver support for the archos, could you allow the comp to see the archos for booting?
+<Coug>  like use the cd as a driver for the archos?
+<Coug>  kind of like Microsoft did with Windows 95 and the CD
+<Coug>  build in a "mini OS" that allows a program to run off of the CD
+<webmind>       Coug, yes.. but u cant do that with winxp
+<Coug>  or archos in this case?
+<Coug>  can you follow my line of reasoning for a sec?
+<Coug>  put in a floppy, or cd, and boot to dos
+<Coug>  load the archos drivers for dos that allow read/write access
+<Coug>  then start the boot process from the archos
+<Coug>  where would the files need to be written to during boot?
+<webmind>       Coug, xp doesnt support booting from dos...
+<Coug>  ah, how does it work?
+<webmind>       xp boots on its own
+<webmind>       starting from the NT system windows stopts using dos as underlying platform
+<Coug>  ok
+<webmind>       xp is followup from windows 200 which is windows nt
+<Coug>  so i could do that with 98, but not xp?
+<webmind>       windowsm 2000
+<webmind>       Coug, u might be able to do it with win98 yes
+<webmind>       if u can get dos drivers
+<webmind>       which u would probably have to make yourself
+<Coug>  that i may be able to do
+<Coug>  is there a way to trick xp into thinking that dos is not running?
+<webmind>       hehe
+<webmind>       not that simple
+<Coug>  or a way to initiate the boot process from dos?
+<webmind>       dunno.. but doubt it
+<Coug>  i figured it wouldnt be, but it was worth a shot
+<webmind>       u could run xp within linux though.. but then u would lose a lot of andvantages
+<webmind>       like support for 3d cards and stuff
+<Coug>  ya
+<Coug>  vmware?
+<webmind>       uhuh
+<webmind>       thereby.. remeber.. archos only can get 1mb/s
+<Coug>  i dont have a liscense for it
+<webmind>       which is quite slow
+<Coug>  ya
+<Coug>  no kidding
+<Coug>  so.... the trick is tricking the bios into thinking that the archos is a harddrive.....
+<Coug>  that doesnt sound easy
+<webmind>       u need usb harddrive support in the bios then
+<webmind>       ..
+<webmind>       and i haven't seen that before
+<webmind>       scsi, zip, ls120.. but no usb hd's
+<Coug>  then.... is there a way to start the xp boot process from a disk and load the archos driver very early, then refer it to the archos?
+<edx>   coug.. they are loaded very early..
+<edx>   i once had scandisc run over my archos at boot time
+<Coug>  hmmm...... so i could put some of the xp files on a cd then refer the other files to the x:\ or whatever drive?
+<Coug>  maybe?
+<webmind>       u could put some of the files on the archos yes
+<webmind>       proably the stuff like programs
+<webmind>       but XP still needs to find them
+<Coug>  but windows xp wont all fit on a CD will it?
+<webmind>       dont think so
+<webmind>       thereby i doubt it will boot from cd
+<webmind>       btw, why do u want to boot xp from archos ?
+<webmind>       i mean.. it will run terribly slow
+<Coug>  i am attending a college that wont allow me to use my archos because of security restrictions
+<Coug>  but they allow the download of programs
+<webmind>       lovely
+<Coug>  so i wanted to download things and put them on the archos
+<webmind>       so why boot xp from it ?
+<Coug>  and i LOVE xp
+<webmind>       well it's not helping u here
+<Coug>  and i HATE 98
+<Coug>  i know
+-->     nicknackpattywac (~first@nat-198-95-226-227.netapp.com) has joined #rockbox
+<webmind>       i can tell u linux would most likely work
+<Coug>  and my friend is a Mac fan *shudder* and he brags that he can put his firewire drive in and boot to it
+<webmind>       and if u want to keep full compatibility of the filesystem u could even put your filesystem in a file
+<webmind>       u'd just put the kernel on a floppy
+<Coug>  how would you boot that?
+<webmind>       u'd have look into some docs
+<Coug>  i dont know much at all about the boot process of OSes
+<Coug>  ok
+<webmind>       i'm no expert on the field
+<webmind>       but i know what can be done
+<Coug>  i dont know what *can* be done, but i am a programmer, so, if it can be thought of, it *can* be done
+<webmind>       easiest way would probably be making a different partition on the arcohs
+<Coug>  in one way or another
+<webmind>       archos
+<Coug>  hey.... thats a good idea, but can you do that and still have windows support?
+<webmind>       Coug, well for windows solution it sometimes CAN be done.. but not withouth braking laws
+<Coug>  do they not allow you to tweak certain things?
+<webmind>       edx, do u know if the archos has problems if there are unsupported partitions on the drive ?
+<webmind>       Coug, some things.. not most of the things..
+<webmind>       Coug,  i think u need detailed info on xp if u want to tweak the boot process
+<Coug>  do you know where i could get that?
+<Coug>  please dont say Microsoft KB
+<webmind>       i dont think there is a legal way
+<webmind>       unless MS is willing to provide the ingo
+<webmind>       info
+<webmind>       which i doubt
+<Coug>  i dont see why they wouldnt disclose how to boot xp from a cd......
+<Coug>  but it is Microsoft
+<webmind>       indeed..
+<webmind>       they disclose i lot they dont need to
+<webmind>       i=a
+<webmind>       but i'd say linux should do the trick
+<Coug>  ya
+<Coug>  but i dont know how to do crap with linux
+<webmind>       windows support of the archos wont be the problem i think
+<webmind>       but i dont know if the device itself as problems with unsupoorted partitions
+<webmind>       Coug, figure it out then :)
+<Coug>  lol
+<Coug>  i try
+<Coug>  but dont know any c or c++ so it gets difficult
+<webmind>       if u want to spent time in it.. it's not hard to learn
+<Coug>  and alot of my stuff is unsupported by my flavor of linux
+<webmind>       u'r a delphi coder?
+<Coug>  VB
+<Coug>  i have done a little delphi
+<webmind>       sorry.. i'd hardly call that a programmer
+<Coug>  and i have a good friend that is a delphi coder
+<Coug>  i do some java too
+<webmind>       delphi is something
+<Coug>  no... not jscript
+<webmind>       java is indeed coding
+<webmind>       but sorry.. visual basic is not
+<Coug>  i have worked with basic too
+<Coug>  why isnt vb coding?
+<webmind>       still
+<Coug>  too easy?
+<webmind>       cos it's not
+<webmind>       it;s just a toolkit
+<webmind>       doesn't have any real power
+<Coug>  i like to think that i do alot of my own stuff in vb and dont always use pre programmed stuff
+<webmind>       vb is preprogrammed
+<Coug>  infact, i wrote a program that calculates factorial numbers
+<webmind>       u can do that scripting...
+<Coug>  and i had to write the multiplication procedure from the ground up
+<Coug>  using integers instead of other types
+<Coug>  the numbers got too big
+<Coug>  the largest number i have calculated is 15000!....
+<Coug>  it was 56,140 digits long
+<webmind>       ..
+<Coug>  so..... i did have to do some programming there
+<Coug>  but otherwise, you a right
+<Coug>  vb is just a toolkit
+<Coug>  a = are
+*       webmind prfers perl or c
+<webmind>       prefers
+<Coug>  ya
+<Coug>  i would love to learn c or c++
+<webmind>       learn it then
+<webmind>       not that hard
+<webmind>       lot's of books about it
+<Coug>  i am taking a class next year in school over c++
+<Coug>  i'll probably wait until then
+<webmind>       and dont use vc++ or c# or anything
+<Coug>  lol
+<Coug>  why not vc++?
+<webmind>       cos it's to dependant
+<Coug>  oh
+<Coug>  ok
+<webmind>       i'd advice to first build general C/C++ knowledge
+<webmind>       instead of just learning to code some win apps
+<Coug>  will do
+<Coug>  of course
+<webmind>       that way u can choose for what platform u want to code.. or even code for all platforms
+<Coug>  ya
+<webmind>       which will make you far more flexible.. and as a bonus more interesting for the job market :)
+<Coug>  true
+<Coug>  so..... do you think that booting xp from cd/archos is a waste of time? or even feasable?
+<miah>  its a waste of time
+<webmind>       Coug, i dont think it's actually possible.. and if it is.. a waste of time
+<Coug>  ah
+<Coug>  ok
+<webmind>       especially since if it will run.. it will run as slow as hell
+<Coug>  how could i boot linux then?
+<Coug>  and have archos support?
+<miah>  install linux
+<webmind>       get a linux boot disk with archos support
+<miah>  build kernel with archos support
+<miah>  and you're set
+<webmind>       use your archos as root device
+<webmind>       done
+<Coug>  miah - i cant install anything to the harddrive of the computer
+<miah>  why?
+<Coug>  its not my computer
+<webmind>       miah, school machine
+<miah>  ah
+<miah>  buy a computer?
+<webmind>       Coug, fix it on your won machine
+<miah>  they're what $200 now?
+<webmind>       own
+<miah>  if you can afford a archos, you can certainly afford a computer
+<Coug>  nah nah, its not that, i dont have high speed internet at home
+<webmind>       Coug, install linux then on your archos
+<Coug>  and i cant hook my archos at school
+<Coug>  (security)
+<Coug>  webmind - ok
+<webmind>       Coug, it's doable.. but it is some work...
+<webmind>       but way more doable then with xp
+<Coug>  will mandrake 8.1 work with the archos easily?
+<Coug>  ok
+<webmind>       Coug, i'd advice debian
+<webmind>       Coug, takes less
+<Coug>  ok
+<Coug>  where can i get that and how big is the dl?
+<Coug>  and is there built-in archos support?
+<webmind>       u can have a minimal graphical installation for under 300mb
+<Coug>  one thing though is that i want X and i would like KDE but KDE isnt nessecary
+<webmind>       Coug, dunno if the archos support is on the installdisk.. but otherwise u need a custom installdisk
+<webmind>       Coug, i think u want something light... since it's a damn slow device.. so i wouldn't go further then a light gnome installation
+<Coug>  how about network config?
+<Coug>  easy?
+<webmind>       Coug, but windowmaker, blackbox or icewm would be more doable i think
+<webmind>       Coug, u can use dhcp
+<webmind>       asuming the network has that
+<Coug>  if it matters, it is a novell network
+<Hadaka>        err um, how does one boot from an usb connected archos device?
+<webmind>       Hadaka, bootdisk
+<webmind>       floppy
+<Coug>  but doesnt require authentication, proved using the mac boot drive
+<Coug>  boot = bootable
+<Hadaka>        bootdisk with the kernel and stuff?
+<Coug>  ya
+<webmind>       Hadaka, uhuh
+<Hadaka>        hrm, nasty
+<webmind>       Hadaka, just the kernel and maybe lilo
+<webmind>       easy as pie
+<Coug>  why need lilo?
+<Coug>  cant i just set it to boot to the archos no matter what?
+<webmind>       Coug, could help with defining rootdevice.. not sure though
+<Coug>  the only time i would use the disk is when the archos is being used
+<Coug>  ok
+<Hadaka>        grub and a kernel would be good enough I guess
+<Coug>  that makes sense
+<webmind>       Coug, don't know detail;s about making bootdisks.. but i think u should be able to tell the kernel that archos is rootdevice
+<Coug>  ok
+<Coug>  but what about the drivers?
+<Hadaka>        you need scsi support, usb support (correct uhci/ohci support) and usb-storage support compiled into the kernel
+<webmind>       Coug, only real problem would be that i dont know how the archos reacts on unsupported partitions
+<Coug>  will the kernel automatically recognize the archos?
+<Coug>  ah, that is the thing
+<Coug>  yes.....
+<Hadaka>        then your root device would just be /dev/sda1 - or /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 with devfs :)
+<Coug>  lets say that i partitioned my archos with linux included, if it didnt work, would there be any way to get it back?
+<Hadaka>        but if you are using grub (or even lilo) as the boot loader - you can tell the name of the root device while booting if that isn't correct (a machine has other scsi drives=
+<Hadaka>        yes
+<Hadaka>        the usb connection always works
+<Coug>  how?
+<Hadaka>        regardless
+<Hadaka>        loads from the flash-rom firmware, gives direct access to the disk - then you can reformat it normally again if it doesn't work
+<Coug>  would windows recognize the archos as a regular archos drive then, and i would just repartition and format?
+<Hadaka>        well I don't know what windows does with drives like that - but a windows fdisk or similar should be able to repartition it back the way it was
+<Hadaka>        but as long as there is a FAT partition first in the drive, I'm guessing that it will work just fine
+<Coug>  ok
+<Coug>  webmind - i found a 36 meg debian install
+<Coug>  how does that work?
+<Hadaka>        that's the netinstall image
+<Coug>  meaning.....?
+<edx>   itll download files later...
+<Hadaka>        it's able to install the kernel and the base system - and everything else is downloaded from the net
+<edx>   after you chose packages.
+<Hadaka>        ...actually the images on that disk are able to install the kernel and the base system from the net as well
+<Coug>  would i need to download anything from the net to get it to work?
+<edx>   depends on what you wanna do :)
+<Hadaka>        well yes - you just get the base system with that - it doesn't have a lot of anything
+<Coug>  does it have a web browser?
+---     edx is now known as edx|eatz
+<Hadaka>        don't think so
+<Hadaka>        nor X
+<Coug>  dang
+<edx|eatz>      no.. not even graphic user interface 
+<Hadaka>        it's just a base image
+<Hadaka>        the bare bones that will let the system boot
+<Hadaka>        and install more packages
+<Coug>  dang
+<Hadaka>        what's so dang about it?
+<Hadaka>        it's the best way to install - everything else requires you to download more
+<Coug>  but i dont have fast internet at home
+<Coug>  26,400 kbps
+<edx|eatz>      :/
+<Coug>  ya
+<Coug>  well....
+<Hadaka>        well then you would probably want the full iso images
+<Coug>  i gotta get going now, thanks for all the help
+<edx|eatz>      cu
+<Coug>  i should be back on later todat
+<Coug>  today*
+<--     Coug has quit ()
+<jedix> ..
+<jedix> anyone around?
+---     edx|eatz is now known as edx
+<edx>   i am
+<jedix> cool
+<jedix> do you know about threads with this device?
+<edx>   ouhm... not much
+<jedix> oh, ok.  my code works ok, but it really needs to be in a thread
+<edx>   hm... create_thread is the function
+<jedix> that way it can be told to sleep..
+<edx>   int create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size);
+<jedix> how are they handled?
+<edx>   hmm dont know to tell the truth :)
+<jedix> ah well
+<jedix> what else besides scrolling text needs to be done then?
+<edx>   hmm dont know either lol
+<jedix> do you want to see the scrolling text?
+<edx>   ata for recorder needs to be working
+<edx>   why no :)
+<edx>   *why not
+<edx>   lol
+<edx>   ie. i want to see it
+<jedix> ..how about something i can work on..?
+<jedix> k
+<edx>   is it in cvs?
+<jedix> I don't think I can dcc it..
+<edx>   mail it.
+<jedix> i don't think I can check things in
+<edx>   edx@codeforce.d2g.com
+<edx>   mail the source.. ill compile for the simulator then
+<jedix> k, its off
+<edx>   ok
+<jedix> tree.c is only edited so that my function is used
+<edx>   where do you come from btw...
+<jedix> ?
+<jedix> what do you mean
+<edx>   what country
+<edx>   i am German
+<jedix> canada
+<edx>   ah.. cool
+<jedix> i'm at "work" right now..
+<edx>   (just got your mail)
+<jedix> government for ya..
+<jedix> what do you thing
+<edx>   hmm get compiler errors... /fixing at  the moment
+<jedix> what are they?
+<edx>   like playlist_next undefined.. :/
+<edx>   uisw32 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _usleep referenced in function _lcd_textscroll
+<edx>   where is usleep ;)
+<edx>   got it
+<jedix> that should be ok
+<edx>   oh well.. not really.. :(
+<jedix> ?
+<edx>   is that some linux function?
+<jedix> maybe
+<jedix> you could try sleep(1)
+<edx>   usleep(80000);
+<edx>   ugh.. 
+<edx>   how many msecs are that?
+<jedix> .8 sec
+<edx>   when should it be scrolling?
+<jedix> ...
+<jedix> did you replace the other file too?
+<jedix> in apps/ tree.c?
+<jedix> thats the only file that calls it right now
+<edx>   yea.. when is it called?
+<jedix> and it will run forever.. so don't overwrite
+<jedix> its only called if you have a recorder I think
+<edx>   a player.. you mean?
+<jedix> do you get BROWSE ~~~
+<edx>   it is not defined for the recorder lol
+<jedix> instead of Browse
+<jedix> get it to be called and it will scroll
+<jedix> edx: what are you working on?
+<edx>   win32 simulator
+<edx>   hmm somehow the cvs is fucked up..
+<edx>   like stuff wont compile anymore
+<edx>   ok.. compile for recorder, right?
+<jedix> yeah
+<edx>       lcd_textscroll(0,0,0, "[BROWSE ~~~~browse browse window size]");
+<edx>   uhm
+<edx>   c:\Programming\CVS Checkout\RockBox\apps\tree.c(135): warning C4013: 'lcd_textscroll' undefined; assuming extern returning int
+<edx>   ah.. its outside the simulator define
+<jedix> .. it is defined
+<webmind>       question: does the archos mind if i have multiple partitions on it ?
+<edx>   hmmm
+<edx>   good question
+<edx>   try!
+<edx>   jedix.. got it to work finally
+<edx>   it is some kind of strange:
+<edx>   the lcd_putsxy function causes it to break the line if text gets longer than it would fit to the display
+<edx>   do you experience the same?
+<jedix> yes
+<edx>   ok
+<jedix> but it still scrolls
+<edx>   yup.
+<edx>   nice.
+<jedix> well, sorta
+<jedix> it doesn't work because it needs to be in a thread
+<jedix> what did you change to get it to work?
+<edx>   yea.. anyways scrolling works
+<edx>   hmmm
+<edx>   you need your own puts function actually..
+<edx>   that is without automatic linebreaks..
+<edx>   or you cut off the string after a few chars so it needs no line break
+<jedix> could Iwrite it based on putsxy?
+<edx>   .. yea certainly..
+<jedix>     /* We make the simulator truncate the string if it reaches the right edge,
+<jedix>        as otherwise it'll wrap. The real target doesn't wrap. *
+<edx>   where is that from?
+<jedix> lcd.c
+<edx>   .. found it
+<edx>   strange..
+<edx>   that's crap
+<edx>   simulator doesnt wrap either
+<jedix> i don't know what that means
+<edx>   hmm like the simulator cuts off the string (but it doesnt)
+<edx>   i think thats for the player..
+<edx>   ahh
+<edx>   yea thats the player code
+<edx>   theres another function for the recurder somewhere
+<edx>   hmm i gotta go...
+<edx>   later.
+<--     edx has quit ()
+-->     ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<ironi> hello
+<ironi> http://webon.prodat.no/wsp/aasentunet/webon.wsp?func=list&table=CONTENT&func_id=20020606&template=content
+<ironi> have you seent hat?
+<ironi> that
+<jedix> what is it?
+<jedix> oh yeah
+<jedix> that was /.ed
+<ironi>  /.ed?
+<jedix> slashdotted
+<ironi> oh ok
+<--     jedix has quit (Remote closed the connection)
+<--     ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+-->     prv_ (~prv@209.166.235.91) has joined #rockbox
+<--     dfg has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
+-->     PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox
+-->     trillback (~trillian@sdn-ar-002ncraleP028.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox
+<--     prv_ has quit ("Client Exiting")
+<--     PiotR has quit (Remote closed the connection)
+-->     PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox
+<--     nicknackpattywac has quit ()
+<--     satino has quit ("Client Exiting")
+*       Bagder appears
+*       adiamas faints
+-->     Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        morning Linus
+<Linus> morn
+<Linus> 0x09000ade in ?? ()
+<Linus> (gdb)
+<Linus> NINJA!
+<Bagder>        *rockers*
+<Bagder>        so it was 11 something MHz?
+<Linus> yep
+<Linus> and i had to wire it correctly...strange :-)
+*       Linus gets some coffee
+---     Bagder is now known as Bagder|busy
+<Linus> My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code:
+<Linus> it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized
+<webmind>       lol
+<Linus> The Recorder ATA is now WORKING!!!
+---     Bagder|busy is now known as Bagder
+<Bagder>        you rock hard Linus
+<Linus> i am a hard rocker, you know... :-)
+<Bagder>        lots of long hair ;-)
+<Linus> :-)
+<Linus> what do we do about the logo?
+<Bagder>        uh?
+<Bagder>        what about it?
+<Linus> My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code:
+<Linus> it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized
+<Bagder>        ah
+<Bagder>        well, either move that code or just comment it out
+<Linus> it will show pretty late if we show it after the ATA init
+<Bagder>        we have the logo internally anyway
+<Bagder>        the real one
+<Linus> so why does it load from disk
+<Bagder>        in case you want a different one
+<Linus> IC
+<Linus> my lCD doesn't work
+<Bagder>        not at all?
+<Linus> or rather, the rockbox code doesn't work
+<Linus> blank
+<Bagder>        you didn't even get the ATA: -5 text before?
+<Linus> nope
+<Bagder>        weird
+<Linus> sort of
+<Bagder>        since the tetris has been proved working for some people
+<Linus> BTW the Recorder schematics is wrong regarding ATA address encoding
+<Bagder>        it indicates differences
+<Linus> oh no.....
+<adiamas>       if either of you has a binary of the recorder mod ill toss it on mine and see hat i get...
+<adiamas>       i haven't built my cross compiler yet
+<Bagder>        I don't think Linus has comitted code yet for me to build a working version
+<Linus> oh yes
+<Linus> just comment out the logo stuff
+-->     Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Zagor> hey all
+<Bagder>        we should fix the "logo stuff" properly
+<Bagder>        hey Z
+<Bagder>        Linus did it again
+<Zagor> did what?
+<Linus> Zagor: are you alive?
+<Linus> i fixed the ATA bug
+<Zagor> oooh, nice!
+<Zagor> what was it?
+<Linus> i have debug-enabled my recorder
+<Linus> the schematics were wrong
+<Linus> the address decoder wasn't changed as the schematics showed
+<Zagor> aha
+<Linus> so the status register address was wrong
+<Zagor> coolio, so now we can browse dirs on the recorder?
+<Linus> that took 20 seconds to find out...
+<Linus> well no.
+<Linus> my LCD shows nothing
+<Zagor> ??
+<Zagor> empty? no display at all?
+<Linus> no
+<Zagor> hmm, just like what I get with the tetris mod
+<Zagor> have you tried uncommenting the logo display?
+*       Linus is debugging in 200MPH
+<Bagder>        Zagor: he had to
+<Linus> Zagor: that one is a good one
+<Linus> it tries to load a BMP from disk before the ATA init
+<Linus> even before the kernel init
+<Zagor> duh!
+<Linus> :-)
+<Linus> FREEEEEEZE
+<Bagder>        we need to move that
+<Zagor> yeah, obviously :)
+<Zagor> interestingly, elinenbe said he got Tetris running
+<Bagder>        can we all say "LCD differences" together? ;-/
+<adiamas>       Linus.. is your display jus shot.. or is it the code that won't work?
+<Bagder>        the code
+<Linus> adiamas: the LCD works
+<Zagor> Bagder: yeah, but how come he survived the ATA cock-up?
+<adiamas>       okay :)
+<Linus> maybe he tried it before the logo code added file-based logos?
+<Bagder>        Zagor: didn't you comment out that stuff for the tetris mod?
+<Zagor> no
+<Linus> did he see a logo?
+<Zagor> i don't know
+<Zagor> we have to ask him
+<Bagder>        well, we know people have see "ata: -4" and "ata: -5" 
+<Bagder>        seen
+<Zagor> yes
+<Linus> the LCD code works
+<Linus> it's just that the contrast is wrong
+<Zagor> bwaha!
+<Linus> so the display is very hard to see
+<Zagor> gdb rocks
+<Linus> very much
+<Zagor> so when are you fixing mine? :)
+*       Bagder cheers, the bug of the week is soon history
+<Linus> the ATA bug *is* history
+<Bagder>        yah, but I was referring to my own bug of the week ;-)
+<Linus> ah, that one...
+<Bagder>        been hunting it for many days
+<Hadaka>        Ooo mama, soon it's rockbox time for my archos as well
+<Bagder>        Linus: this calls for a grand posting to the list, you know that don't you? ;-)
+<Zagor> Linus: will you commit an lcd change, too? so I can rerelease tetris :)
+<Bagder>        we must move the BMP loading
+<Zagor> yes
+<Zagor> the question is, should we first display the rockbox logo and then replace it, or don't display anything until we have mounted the disk? the latter option means it'll take a while longer until anything appears
+<Bagder>        use the internal
+<Bagder>        imho
+<Zagor> yes, i'm leaning towards that too
+<Bagder>        btw, I modified the auto-page to use UTC times and it is ready to get included on the site
+<Zagor> ah, will fix
+<Linus> I'm curious about the LCD contrast setting in the init
+<Linus> it gets totally dark on my LCD
+<Linus> but obviously hasn't on other LCD's
+<Linus> and if we follow the Solomon data sheets, the contrast setting is an iterative process
+<Zagor> totally dark? i get totally blank
+<Linus> we have to repeat the command until the status register says that the command is done
+<Linus> and we don't even have a status read function
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Bagder>        so this works by pure coincidence for some ppl then
+<Linus> I changed the setting from 0x30 to 0x20 (which is the power on default)
+<Linus> then ir looked ok
+<Linus> the dir browser pops up, but the buttons don't work
+<Linus> did anyone actually play tetris on it?
+-->     alkorr (alkorr@srs07v-8-64.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<Linus> alan!
+<alkorr>        hi
+<Linus> the ATA works on the recorder now
+<Bagder>        Linus: yes, elenbee said he played
+<Zagor> Linus: elinenbe said he did
+<alkorr>        it's weird
+<Linus> weird?
+<Zagor> he even complained about the lack of key repeat
+<alkorr>        i see you you change 620020306 in 6200206
+<Linus> yes
+<Linus> the schematics seem to be wrong
+<Zagor> brb
+<--     Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting")
+<alkorr>        now it seems ATA works, anything working on Recorder ?
+-->     Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        I wanna know that too ;-)
+<Zagor> buh. that's what I get for using windows machines :(
+<Bagder>        Linus: can you browse dirs and stuff on the recorder now?
+<Linus> no. the buttons don't work
+<Bagder>        !
+<Zagor> i wonder what recorder model elinenbe is using
+<Bagder>        yeah
+---     Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch
+<alkorr>        see you
+<Bagder>        see ya lan
+<Bagder>        alan
+<--     alkorr has quit ()
+<Linus> has anyone changed the debounce algorithm lately?
+*       Bagder hasn't
+<Bagder>        check with cvs ;-)
+<Linus> it polls every 10th tick, that is every 100ms
+<Linus> then it requires that the button is pressed at least 200 polls
+<Linus> that is 20 seconds!!!
+<Linus> haw lame!
+<Zagor|lunch>   uh, no linus. it requires 3 polls.
+---     Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor
+<Zagor> oh, ah the recorder has special. sorry.
+<Zagor> that's left-over debounce that should just be removed
+-->     zeffert (swolen@CPE-61-9-136-136.vic.bigpond.net.au) has joined #rockbox
+<zeffert>       you are all disgusting child molesters
+<Bagder>        we are?
+<zeffert>       ya
+<Zagor> oh no! *worried look*
+---     ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder
+<zeffert>       i wish you were dead!
+<Zagor> bye
+<zeffert>       burn!!!!!!
+<Bagder>        we are
+<zeffert>       burn!!!!!!!!!!
+---     Bagder sets ban on *!*@*.vic.bigpond.net.au
+<--     Bagder has kicked zeffert from #rockbox (Bagder)
+<Zagor> that was fun!
+<Bagder>        ban number 2
+<Zagor> really? i missed the first
+<Bagder>        getting busy ;-)
+<Bagder>        you did?
+<Bagder>        fun fellow you didn't stop talking spanish in all caps ;-)
+<Zagor> haha
+<Bagder>        s/you/who
+---     Bagder gives channel operator status to Zagor
+---     Bagder gives channel operator status to Linus
+-->     alkorr (alkorr@srs07v-8-64.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<alkorr>        re !
+<alkorr>        woauh three masters now ! :)
+---     Bagder gives channel operator status to alkorr
+<Bagder>        :-)
+<alkorr>        arf I'm the first displayed :)===)
+*       Bagder goes to fetch coffee
+<Bagder>        damnit, no one breaks the builds anymore ;-)
+<Zagor> i'm working on it, just give me a minute or two
+<Zagor> :)
+<Bagder>        good! :-P
+<Zagor> build status is now included in the daily build page
+<Zagor> maybe we should make it narrower somehow. shorter column titles, perhaps
+<Bagder>        any suggestions how?
+<Bagder>        uh, the showlog.cgi doesn't exist ;-)
+<Zagor> oh, missed that one
+<Zagor> now
+<Bagder>        goodie
+<Bagder>        spell out that the date/time is UTC/GMT time
+<Zagor> well, which is it? ;)
+<Bagder>        UTC is the name formerly known as GMT 
+<Zagor> really? I thought they differed in DST handling
+<Bagder>        but I guess most people know GMT better
+<Bagder>        I don't think so
+<Bagder>        btw, how come the order of the daily builds is so strange?
+<Zagor> oh, I need to sort them
+<Bagder>        ah, hehe
+<Bagder>        is that "my" index.html that shows up?
+<Zagor> yup
+<Bagder>        goodie, so I can work on fixing the titles like that
+<Zagor> i'm doing a symbolic link, since SSI can't handle absolute paths or hostnames
+<Bagder>        ok
+<Linus> Finally, lunchtime!
+<Bagder>        late lunch today
+<Linus> indeed. long meetings
+<Zagor> hehe, linus is trapped in Meeting Hell
+<Bagder>        poor guy
+<Linus> Zagor: if you only knew what we were discussing... :-)
+<Zagor> I have a nice poster here: "Don't Like Working? Prefer Talking About It Instead of Doing It? Schedule A Meeting!"
+<Zagor> "The Easy Alternative To Work"
+<Linus> Well, time for lunch!
+---     Linus is now known as Linus|lunch
+<Bagder>        narrower look 
+<Bagder>        more cryptic titles
+<Zagor> yeah, i'll have to add some description
+<Zagor> how about Play, P-old, Rec along with Norm, Debg, Sim
+<Linus|lunch>   The button debouncing code requires that the button is pressed for 20 seconds!!! :-)
+<Zagor> Linus|lunch: i just fixed it
+<Linus|lunch>   good
+<Zagor> i.e. removed it
+<Bagder>        I'll try that
+<Bagder>        wider but makes more sensre
+<alkorr>        MAS for recorder is still missing ?
+<Bagder>        yes
+<Zagor> yes, linus is on the case I believe
+<Linus|lunch>   i'm on it
+<Bagder>        Linus is the MAS king
+*       Bagder bows
+<Linus|lunch>   yes, yes, yes. I *am* going to lunch
+<Linus|lunch>   i'm waiting for the printer (MAS data sheet)
+<Zagor> go, already!
+<Bagder>        now go so we can speak about you ;-)
+<alkorr>        hehe
+<Zagor> Bagder: hmm, why are the columns so wide? i can't see why they are any wider than the text they contain.
+<Zagor> "play norm" for instance, is much wider than the title
+<Bagder>        I don't know
+<Zagor> try adding "cellpadding=0" to the table tag
+<Bagder>        yes
+<Bagder>        that's it
+<Bagder>        no
+<Zagor> ah, try adding <br> to the titles, to force line breaks. i think that's the thing
+<Hadaka>        ew, how about using css and xhtml strict instead of all that?
+<Bagder>        wow
+<Bagder>        tiny boxes now
+<Bagder>        Hadaka: in what way would that help us here and now?
+<Zagor> Hadaka: yeah but some things (like this) are implementation defined
+<Hadaka>        well all those cellpadding=0 and br stuff usually can be handled a lot better by clean page design and the stylesheets
+<Zagor> Bagder: keep th for headers, IMO
+<Bagder>        yes
+<Bagder>        how many lines should I have maximum in the table? 20 fine?
+<Zagor> Hadaka: look at the page. it *is* clean. the fact that browsers maximise cell width even when they wrapped the contents is not defined in CSS nor XHTML
+<alkorr>        which page, Zagor ?
+<Zagor> alkorr: the daily builds page
+<Bagder>        at the bottom
+<alkorr>        oh well all seems to be okay :)
+<Zagor> Bagder: you should be able to kill the cellpadding now, it shouldn't matter much
+<Bagder>        in a second
+<Zagor> Hadaka: sorry to sound harsh. I do agree with you in general. :)
+<Hadaka>        err, why not just have a stylesheet for the table - and say that the widht of the cell is say about 3em and height is about 1em - then they are all the same width and it's correct for the font
+<alkorr>        maybe you could enlarge twice your table, Zagor ?
+<Zagor> Hadaka: because the content will not always be "OK", so then it will break. we want the dynamics too.
+<Zagor> Hadaka: or am I misunderstanding something?
+<Hadaka>        why do you want the sizes of the cells changing? I'd guess it would be easier to read if all the widths were the same?
+<Zagor> Bagder: fix us an error, so we can see how that looks
+<Bagder>        uh
+<Bagder>        that's not that easy to fake in
+<Zagor> ok
+<Bagder>        commit a bad file now
+<Bagder>        it'll go break in... 7 minutes
+<alkorr>        well if you enlarge the width of the table, you can use larger titles, you can or there is reason no to do so ?
+<Zagor> what are you printing, in that case? "Failure" or something else
+<Bagder>        Zagor: yes
+<alkorr>        FAILED
+<Hadaka>        FAIL is what I usually see
+<alkorr>        or KO :)
+<Bagder>        "Failed" is the word I use
+<alkorr>        in red flash
+<Bagder>        atm
+<Zagor> alkorr: oooo, no thanks :)
+<Zagor> well i think it's ok now
+<Hadaka>        Well I still don't see why the widths have to be dynamic - is it just me that would like to see an aligned and constant width table, instead of varying width for columns
+<Zagor> Is fixed width worth the cost of breaking the table when/if we add a new column or rename a title?
+<Hadaka>        um, I don't get that - if the width of each column is like 5em, what's there to break?
+<Bagder>        what is 'em' ?
+<Hadaka>        in this case the standard width for a character in the current font and font size
+<Zagor> it breaks when we change columns to include "win32sim" and "x11sim", doesn't it?
+<Hadaka>        well if the titles are too wide, then ofcourse the width of that column will expand
+<Zagor> so then we are back to dynamic sizing, gaining exactly... what? :)
+<Hadaka>        no, we are back to dynamic sizing only if we get too wide titles - which is a problem in itself already - so then we either increase the width of columns to 6em (which should have been in the first case then) - or we just let it wrap the title some more
+<Zagor> ok, so it will work. I guess I just don't see the big advantage.
+<Hadaka>        yeah well it doesn't really matter - and especially not worth it if you don't do all the pages that way
+<Zagor> well all the pages use CSS already
+<alkorr>        color changes when "failed" ?
+<Zagor> yes, to red
+<Hadaka>        well why do you have bgcolors in there if you use CSS?
+<Zagor> for those who don't support CSS
+<Bagder>        should I set a class or something there?
+<Zagor> Bagder: you could, then we would be free to play with the look. <table class=buildstatus> for instance
+<Hadaka>        yeah
+<Bagder>        yes, and "buildok" and "buildfail" for the "boxes" ?
+<Hadaka>        then you can do .buildstatus td { width: 4em; } for example
+<Zagor> Bagder: yup
+<Bagder>        ok, coming up
+<alkorr>        see you later
+<--     alkorr has quit ()
+<Bagder>        should I remove the bgcolor then?
+<Zagor> yes
+<Zagor> Hadaka: sorry, I thought you meant bgcolor for the page...
+<Bagder>        there
+<Bagder>        you need to make buildok green to make it look similar again
+<Zagor> fixing...
+<Bagder>        I set a limit of 20 lines now
+<Zagor> there
+<Zagor> ok, i surrender. width is now 3em :)
+<Hadaka>        :)
+<Hadaka>        looks nice
+<Bagder>        haha
+<Bagder>        in fact it looks better
+<Zagor> traitor! ;)
+*       Bagder gives Hadaka a pat on the shoulder
+<Hadaka>        it should really be the decision of the user... but I would remove the underlining from the links in that build box
+<Zagor> nah, i don't like "invisible" links
+<Hadaka>        nods
+<Zagor> Hadaka: can I set a background color that is something like "X percent lighter than the current background"?
+<Hadaka>        not easily no
+<Zagor> without using absolute values, that is
+<Zagor> ok
+<Hadaka>        you can put a semi-transparent png there though ;)
+<Zagor> ouch :)
+<Bagder>        can that be done with the css?
+<Hadaka>        yeah :)
+<Hadaka>        nods
+<Bagder>        woo
+<Hadaka>        everything can have a background picture - and a transparent one at that
+<Hadaka>        even pieces of text
+<Bagder>        ok
+*       Bagder is a css cluebie
+---     Linus|lunch is now known as Linus
+<Linus> the button polling is awfully non-responsive
+<Zagor> Linus: as in "does not work"?
+<Hadaka>        well if you have mozilla, check out http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/
+<Linus> as in misses keypresses pretty often
+<Zagor> Linus: in normal use, or when you try to make it miss? ;)
+<Bagder>        hehe, fun page
+<Linus> when i repeatedly predd DOWN to move the cursor in the dir browser
+<Linus> press
+<Linus> I'll shorten the poll interval to see if it helps
+<Zagor> remember to adjust the repeat values too
+<Linus> ok
+<Zagor> they should probably be calculated from the poll value
+<Linus> roger that
+<Hadaka>        then select Edit -> Use style -> default page style or something
+<Hadaka>        and see the difference
+<Bagder>        that rocks
+*       Zagor switches to Mozilla when somebody tells him how to map the keys like Opera has'em
+*       Hadaka switches to Opera when opera renders stylesheets as well as Mozilla :)
+<Zagor> hehe
+<Bagder>        Zagor: could we have the target mod-builds in a table with three column?
+<Bagder>        might shorten the page a bit
+<Zagor> Bagder: sure
+<Linus> I would like a warning count for every build
+<Bagder>        you mean visible in the table?
+<Hadaka>        Bagder: did you notice from that CSS page btw, that when you scroll down, the semi-transparent box stays put?
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<Linus> meybe color-coded in the table, and highlighted in the log
+<Linus> a red OK means "ok with warnings", or something
+<Bagder>        the log hilight I've thought about adding, adding it to the table takes a little tweak
+<Linus> The LCD flickers a lot when scrolling the dir browser
+<Bagder>        we could have the "OK" text replaced with a number of warnings, would that make sense?
+<Linus> and OK when 0 0warnings
+<Bagder>        ah, good
+<Hadaka>        well in any case it would need a legend telling what things mean
+<Bagder>        true
+<Hadaka>        but that's already way nice :)
+<Linus> faster button polling helped a lot for the responsiveness
+<Linus> but we need to optimize display updates
+<Bagder>        its still pretty cool that it works this good without ever have been run on target before
+<Linus> yeah!
+<Bagder>        one point to the simulator ;-)
+<Linus> yup
+<Hadaka>        I can usually get button presses that are two or three sixtieths of a second - and down to one sixtieth if I try hard enough
+<Linus> it is fairly good at 20Hz today
+<Linus> but not perfect
+<Zagor> well 30Hz shouldn't be that much load anyway, right?
+<Linus> no
+<Hadaka>        is performance a problem on that thing? what things take a lot of time?
+<Linus> it is polling
+<Linus> in an interrupt
+<Zagor> flipping the bits on the MP3 data is the most cpu intesive thing we are today today, I'd say
+<Zagor> but we won't have to do that on the recorder, I hope
+<Linus> probably not
+<Bagder>        now watch the table
+<Linus> the button_tick IRQ didn't count the ticks properly
+<Zagor> Bagder: warning count?
+<Linus> a POLL_FREQUENCY of 2 made it poll ever 3 ticks
+<Bagder>        yah
+<Bagder>        0 => OK
+<Bagder>        Zagor: is the cgi a symlink to my one too?
+<Zagor> yep
+<Hadaka>        nice :)
+<Bagder>        ok, highlight of warnings coming up
+<Bagder>        many warnings ;-)
+<Bagder>        hm, do we wanna use css and stuff for the showlog.cgi too?
+<Zagor> nah, that's just unformatted text
+<Bagder>        it won't be
+<Zagor> :)
+<Bagder>        I'll do it html now
+<Zagor> if you make it html, then we should use css
+<Bagder>        so tell me what kind of <head> to include to make it work nicely
+<Zagor> look at any other page
+<Zagor> they all have it
+<Bagder>        ok
+<Bagder>        check it out now
+<Bagder>        press a link
+<Bagder>        the warnings have "clasee=gccwarn"
+<Zagor> ooh, background :)
+<Bagder>        class 
+<Zagor> ok, making them red
+<Bagder>        shall I have a class for the regular lines too?
+<Zagor> not unless you thing we should do something special with them
+<Bagder>        nah, it would just make it possible for you to make compiler output to look different than regular text
+<Bagder>        removed the long prefix from all paths in the output
+<Hadaka>        you could put all the output inside a div in any case, so padding doesn't have to be put for the body element in general
+<Bagder>        you mean just <div> all-output </div> ?
+<Hadaka>        yup
+<Hadaka>        and then closing the body and html :)
+<Bagder>        oh
+<Hadaka>        oh and maybe put a class for the div
+<Hadaka>        so then we can say .compileroutput { padding: 10px; } or something
+<Zagor> <br class=fubar> doesn't seem to work. at least nothing much happens
+<Bagder>        suggestion?
+<Zagor> i don
+<Bagder>        <div> on those lines?
+<Zagor> 't know. Hadaka, shouldn't this work?
+<Linus> Zagor: the ' key is awfully close to ENTER, don't you think?
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Bagder>        thick fingers
+<Bagder>        :-)
+<Zagor> hehe, yes. plus this damn keyboard has a lot of silly extra keys on it. some windows blahblah
+<Linus> oh, here he goes again...
+<Linus> those keys are far from the ' key
+<Zagor> gotta go, guys. too sunny for me to hack more today :)
+<Zagor> yeah yeah, call me a wuss :)
+<Linus> that's ridiculous
+<Bagder>        Zagor: <div> is in place
+<Linus> "laddar batterierna"
+<Zagor> hehe, not quite there yet
+<Zagor> working on it ;)
+<--     Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting")
+<Bagder>        now why do I get an extra newline?
+<Hadaka>        I can check that soon
+<Bagder>        we should be working a bit on removing the warnings
+<Linus> yeah
+<Hadaka>        hm, should gcc-output be in <pre>?
+<Bagder>        there's a point in not doing that
+<Bagder>        and that is that it wraps nicer
+<Hadaka>        in any case - br should be between lines - not at the start, nor at the end
+-->     alkorr (alkorr@srs04m-1-191.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<--     alkorr has quit (Client Quit)
+-->     jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox
+<jedix> hey guys
+<Linus> yo
+<jedix> how stuff?
+<Linus> well, we have the recorder ATA working
+<jedix>    ^--is
+<jedix> thats sweet
+<Linus> i'm browsing files as we speak
+<jedix> nice
+<Linus> i am debugging my recorder with GDB
+<jedix> GDB?
+<Linus> over the serial port
+<Linus> Gnu Debugger
+<Hadaka>        Woohoo
+<Hadaka>        you guys are amazing
+<jedix> do you know how the device handles threads?
+<Linus> i assube that you mean the original archos firmware
+<Linus> assume
+<Linus> no, i don't think they have threads at all
+<jedix> ..yours doesn't?
+<Linus> we have threads
+<Linus> light-weight ones
+<Linus> the scheduler is somewhat primitive, with non-preemptive switching
+<jedix> well, I was trying to get the scrool working.. but right now its in a while(true) loop and I was thinking the best way to handle it would be to make a thread so you can tell it to sleep and such.
+<Hadaka>        could we do preemptive with that hardware?
+<Linus> Hadaka: yes. it's a software issue
+<Hadaka>        erm, but it's not a software issue if you can't get any interrupts in where to switch the stuff?
+<Hadaka>        but I'll just take yes as an answer, since I don't know enuff myself :) thanks
+<Linus> if we didn't have interrupts, we wouldn't need to make it preemptive, true
+<Linus> we have a number of interrupt sources, the serial port, the DMA, the timers...
+<Hadaka>        the timers interest me - what do you get from those?
+<Linus> there are a few hardware 16-bit timers that can give compare interrupts
+<Linus> and a very extensive capture functionality
+<Hadaka>        mmh, nice
+<Hadaka>        on the showlog stuff, you could put some regular padding for the whole body - and then a bit more padding on the div that has the gcc-output - I'd suppose it'd look nice then
+<jedix> damnit
+<--     trillback has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+<Linus> who made chartables.c?
+<jedix> Linus: does the simulator do threads?
+<Linus> no, i don't think so
+<jedix> so, I guess my work is useless
+<Tumm>  För jag har tagit studenteeen, fy fan vad jag är bäst!
+<Tumm>  oh sorry
+<Tumm>  "Cause i've graduated, I'm so goddamn best"
+<Bagder>        Linus: Gary made the chartables
+<Bagder>        Hadaka: on the showlog stuff, how do you mean the div should be modified?
+<Hadaka>        Bagder: well the div has nothing wrong in it - the first line should not have a br before it though - but the stylesheet should be modified to include padding
+<Hadaka>        and the body should have margins - specified both in the stylesheet and on the actual element on the page
+<Linus> Bagder: do you know where they come from. Those array declarations are from hell!
+<Bagder>        Linus: I know, Gary brought them, no one changed them
+<Linus> why declare a 1 byte array???
+<jedix> do you guys want the code I put into lcd.c? its not operational, but it could be made so with little effort by someone that knows how the threads run or have a better overview of the project
+<Linus> i know, i know... the font code needs all fonts to be alike...
+<Linus> now we're down to 16 warnings :-)
+<Bagder>        I just changed it to build every 20 minute ;-)
+<Linus> jedix: where is it now?
+<Bagder>        nice, the extra newline disappeared from the output
+<jedix> Linus: on my hd
+<jedix> do you want it?
+<Linus> yeah. can you mail it? linus@haxx.se
+<jedix> sure
+<jedix> its off
+<Bagder>        one by one they go those warnings
+<Linus> kill'em all!!!!!!!
+<Bagder>        those ones in chartable are annoying
+<Linus> indeed. i don't want to change them without changing the generator script
+<Linus> i want the source fonts!
+<Bagder>        yeah, me too
+<Bagder>        it would also make it easier to make the rest of the iso8859-1 chars
+<Bagder>        did you find out what the .ejz file is?
+<Linus> no
+<Linus> and it didn't happen again...
+<Bagder>        wow
+<Linus> bah
+<jedix> Linus: did you get it?
+<Linus> yup
+<Linus> i'll look into it ASAP
+<jedix> cool, just making sure you got it
+<jedix> anything else I can do?
+<Bagder>        I changed the warnings counter to be more accurate
+<Bagder>        lowered the amounts
+<Linus> ?
+<Bagder>        I only count number of lines with warnings now
+<Bagder>        so multiple warnings on the same line is only one
+<Linus> that's cheating
+<Bagder>        no
+<Bagder>        the description is often multiple line
+<Bagder>        check the threads.c:41 warning
+<Bagder>        jedix: it is pretty much up to you I guess
+<Linus> But check the mpeg.c:278 warning
+<Linus> that's two different ones
+<Bagder>        yes, but the second is just an effect of the first
+<Linus> but can you be sure
+<Bagder>        so I think this is closer to reality
+<Bagder>        I know
+<jedix> Bagder: I don;t really have a well enough overview of the project to decide what needs to be done, and can be..
+<Linus> Bagder: grep -v "(near"
+<Bagder>        well, maybe that's what you can help with! get a grip and present it to the people
+<Bagder>        Linus: good point
+-->     elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox
+<Linus> jedix: and while you're trying to get a grip, point out what's badly documented
+<Linus> hi elinenbe
+<jedix> k
+<elinenbe>      hey there
+<elinenbe>      anyone want to write my database crash recovery routine?
+<Bagder>        me me me!
+<Bagder>        :-)
+*       Bagder can't even spell databsae
+<elinenbe>      well, it needs to be able to recover from a crash, and recover if it crashes while it is recovering :)
+<Bagder>        sounds very fun.... not .-)
+<Bagder>        Linus: now then, recalculated again ;-)
+<Linus> I just just killed the open() warning
+<Bagder>        the big question is, will we reach "OK" ?
+<Linus> Bagder: how to auto-eval in emacs?
+-->     jas_williams (jas_willia@modem-3823.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #rockbox
+<Linus> hi jas_williams
+<--     jas_williams has quit (Client Quit)
+<Bagder>        auto-eval ?
+<Linus> bye jas_williams
+<Linus> you know, those emacs comments in the bottom of some files
+<Bagder>        ah, right
+<Bagder>        (setq enable-local-eval t)
+<Bagder>        hey, those 2 final ones should be possible to kill too
+<Linus> what os that 'type' parameter supposed to do?
+<Linus> is
+<Bagder>        I don't know, I thought it should be an index
+<Linus> is the settings code used yet?
+<Bagder>        I don't think so
+<Linus> oh. i looked in it. i guess it's not used. :-)
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Bagder>        you should mail the list about you getting the ATA and gdb on recorder working
+<Linus> ok
+<Bagder>        it is just so cool
+<Bagder>        hey
+<Bagder>        I should make a link to the CVS from the file name in the compiler output
+<Bagder>        at least for the warnings
+<Bagder>        hm, or can really?
+<Bagder>        can I
+*       Bagder decides it is a bit too tricky
+<--     elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]")
+<Linus> Has anyone tried the playlists yet?
+<Bagder>        not to my knowledge
+<Linus> How does it work? Load a M3U file?
+<Bagder>        I'll work on them some more soonish
+<Bagder>        yes
+<Bagder>        make a .m3u file
+<Bagder>        browse there, play it
+<Linus> how does such a file look like?
+<Bagder>        plain file names
+<Bagder>        use full path names
+<Linus> ok. i'll try it...
+<Bagder>        LF or CRLF separated
+<Bagder>        currently it does no shuffle or anything but plays from track 0 and onwards
+<Linus> ok
+<Bagder>        at least that's the intension ;-)
+<Bagder>        gotta go
+<Bagder>        see ya
+<--     Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox
+<--     jedix has quit (Remote closed the connection)
+-->     upiom (daniel@t2o40p52.telia.com) has joined #rockbox
+<Linus> gotta go now. cu guys!
+<--     Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox
+-->     nicknackpattywac (~first@nat-198-95-226-227.netapp.com) has joined #rockbox
+---     upiom is now known as wmtime
+---     wmtime is now known as upiom
+<--     upiom has quit (Remote closed the connection)
+-->     jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox
+<--     jedix has quit ("Client Exiting")
+<--     nicknackpattywac has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
+-->     elinenbe (~chatzilla@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox
+<elinenbe>      hey there!
+<elinenbe>      I still think rockbox should be called...
+<elinenbe>      "Supa' Pang!"
+<--     elinenbe has quit (Client Quit)
+<datazone>      why not "Frink Cheep Cheep"
+<--     havardk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+-->     edx (OKE60@pD9EAA2FC.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
+---     edx is now known as edx|away
+-->     huz (~marco@AToulouse-103-1-2-137.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<huz>   hello
+<huz>   since i've put rockbox i can't connect my archo to my pc
+<huz>   someone have had this problem ? 
+<huz>   ok,i haven't time yet, but i'll come back, because how we say in france : 
+<huz>   je suis dans la merde ! 
+<--     huz has quit ("leaving")
+-->     huz (huz@AToulouse-103-1-2-137.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<huz>   re
+<huz>   i'm under windows now, and the problem is the same
+<huz>   please i _really_ need help
+<huz>   youuuhouuu i think i've a big problem ! can you give me a way to resolv it please youhou 
+<huz>   \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_
+<huz>   ok i've found ! we must start archos connected to pc now ... maybe a note in the documentation will be great, don't you think ? 
+<--     huz has quit ("Client Exiting")
+-->     elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox
+<--     elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]")
+---     Tumm is now known as Tum|stdnt
+---     Tum|stdnt is now known as Tumm
+<--     PiotR has quit ("BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.")
+<--     edx|away has quit ("good night guys")
+-->     satino (~satino@0x50c4991f.adsl-fixed.tele.dk) has joined #rockbox
+<--     satino has quit ("Client Exiting")
+-->     ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<--     ironi has quit (Remote closed the connection)
+-->     ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<ironi> aloha
+-->     g003y2 (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox
+<g003y2>        anyone compiling the 1.0 firmware with cygwin/win2k?
+<ironi> i was about to, but i guess i needed a good tutorial
+<ironi> (saying that the one on the page is confusing"
+<g003y2>        well I think I'm close now
+<ironi> qand needs to be updated
+<ironi> well
+*       ironi is gone, zzz [l/on p/on]
+<g003y2>        I got everything compiled fine, but it seems like I'm missing something on my include path 
+<ironi> k
+<ironi> and you got it from the tutorial?
+<g003y2>        yeah
+<g003y2>        I followed it exactly except I don't have a "linus" home dir :D
+<g003y2>        I got the tools for sh1 compiles in place.
+<g003y2>        it is now just a matter of getting the whole process to recognize /usr/include for the standard c libs
+<ironi> i see
+<ironi> wel i think a new package could be nice
+<g003y2>        I know i'm just being dense about it :D
+<ironi> weher eyou can just unpack the latest source and unpack it to a certain folder and tun a batch file to complie the wqhole thing
+<g003y2>        yeah a batch file for the GNU-SH tool kit would've been nice.
+<ironi> well of i go
+<g003y2>        alright cya
+<ironi> 'nite
+-->     PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox
+<--     g003y2 (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox
+<--     ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+-->     edx (OKE60@pD9EAA336.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
+-->     adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox
+<adam>  hey
+<adam>  http://remix.kwed.org/ == cool
+<adam>  oh well
+<adam>  beer > my conciousness
+<--     adam has quit ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Apple Newton today!")
+-->     g003y2 (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox
+<--     g003y2 (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox
+---     Disconnected (22).
+**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun  9 07:13:58 2002
+