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1 | **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 6 03:13:16 2002 | ||
2 | |||
3 | --> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.204) has joined #rockbox | ||
4 | --- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ | ||
5 | --- Topic for #rockbox set by adi|home at Tue Jun 4 04:41:56 | ||
6 | <Bagder> howdy adiamas | ||
7 | <adiamas> howdy... | ||
8 | <adiamas> just had a major power outage here... | ||
9 | <adiamas> lasted near 2 hrs | ||
10 | <adiamas> all year we're find... | ||
11 | <adiamas> world cup comes on a POOF | ||
12 | <adiamas> damnit | ||
13 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
14 | <Bagder> must be a conspiracy somehow ;-) | ||
15 | <adiamas> damn right | ||
16 | <adiamas> i blame the canadians | ||
17 | <Bagder> I miss a tetris for recorder link on the web site | ||
18 | <Bagder> that lazy web master B-] | ||
19 | <dwihno> Linus: Will you take on the mission to write the decoder code for the recorder build? | ||
20 | * Bagder mutters when reading source code written on 160 col lines... | ||
21 | <adiamas> hehehe | ||
22 | <adiamas> who did that? | ||
23 | <Bagder> at work | ||
24 | <Bagder> silly windows users | ||
25 | <adiamas> hehehe | ||
26 | <adiamas> sorry ;) | ||
27 | <adiamas> i made a deal with a buddy at work... | ||
28 | <adiamas> he went to 80 cols | ||
29 | <adiamas> i went to 8 space tabs | ||
30 | <Bagder> oh, what a sacrifice | ||
31 | <adiamas> heheh | ||
32 | <Bagder> I just yell at them ;-) | ||
33 | <Bagder> and go my way | ||
34 | <adiamas> we still bitch at each other ;)- | ||
35 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
36 | <dwihno> 8 space tabs?! | ||
37 | * Bagder wonders why he has no friends left ;-) | ||
38 | <dwihno> Now that's insane | ||
39 | <dwihno> looks like somebody dropped a bomb in the source code! | ||
40 | <Bagder> source code should not have tabs, only space | ||
41 | <dwihno> They should have tabs | ||
42 | * Bagder casts a spell on dwihno, you windows... eh, windows... person | ||
43 | <dwihno> what's wrong with tabs? | ||
44 | <Bagder> people set different tab sizes | ||
45 | <dwihno> of course | ||
46 | <Bagder> they are 8 when you print | ||
47 | <dwihno> :set ts=8 | ||
48 | <Bagder> it make outputs look crap | ||
49 | <dwihno> depends on what printing stuff you use | ||
50 | <Bagder> yes, if you're two people you can set requirements on that | ||
51 | <Bagder> in a development team with many people, you can't | ||
52 | <dwihno> :) | ||
53 | <Bagder> believe me, I seen it, done it, used it ;-) | ||
54 | * Bagder now has 11 years in the "business" | ||
55 | <dwihno> set ts=4 | ||
56 | <dwihno> whoa | ||
57 | <dwihno> how old are you? | ||
58 | <dwihno> 40? | ||
59 | <Bagder> 31 | ||
60 | <dwihno> scary | ||
61 | <Bagder> indeed | ||
62 | <dwihno> I will NEVER get old! :) | ||
63 | <dwihno> What kind of education do you possess? | ||
64 | <Bagder> the hard way, the school of life, spare time assembler and work ;-) | ||
65 | <Bagder> like Zagor and Linus, I have no formal education in this area | ||
66 | <Bagder> we're all home brewed | ||
67 | <dwihno> Are you pleased with your salary? | ||
68 | --- Linus is now known as Linus|very | ||
69 | <Bagder> is anyone ever? ;-) | ||
70 | <dwihno> I was | ||
71 | --- Linus|very is now known as Linus|busy | ||
72 | <Bagder> I am | ||
73 | <dwihno> Although a bitch coder with ZERO skills had more than me, and that bugged me. | ||
74 | <Bagder> that's not the case for me | ||
75 | <dwihno> coderess | ||
76 | <Bagder> although currently the market isn't exactly splendid | ||
77 | <dwihno> not really | ||
78 | <Bagder> it means less money when the customers renegotiates the rates | ||
79 | <dwihno> MONEY FOR ALL(TM) | ||
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104 | --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
105 | <Bagder> hey ironi | ||
106 | <dwihno> damn | ||
107 | <ironi> hi there | ||
108 | <ironi> *yawn* | ||
109 | * dwihno just realized that writing sql queries sometimes is a pain in the /dev/arse | ||
110 | <ironi> dwihno: why is that | ||
111 | <dwihno> I want to return multiple counts | ||
112 | <dwihno> in 1 query | ||
113 | <dwihno> +----+--------+----+-----------+ | ||
114 | <dwihno> | id | name | id | projectid | | ||
115 | <dwihno> +----+--------+----+-----------+ | ||
116 | <dwihno> | 2 | Apan | 1 | 39 | | ||
117 | <dwihno> | 2 | Apan | 2 | 40 | | ||
118 | <dwihno> | 2 | Apan | 3 | 41 | | ||
119 | <dwihno> | 3 | Assar | 1 | 39 | | ||
120 | <dwihno> +----+--------+----+-----------+ | ||
121 | <dwihno> I want to return the projectid count for every id [left one] | ||
122 | <adiamas> 1. i don't know if postgres lets you | ||
123 | <adiamas> 2. if you could, you prob do it in a sub query | ||
124 | <adiamas> ie: select count(id) from table where id in (select unique id from table) | ||
125 | <adiamas> or some such | ||
126 | <adiamas> but i dont' think you can do it.. | ||
127 | <adiamas> i know in oracle we have to do a seperate count for each | ||
128 | <ironi> you cnat do sub querys in postgres | ||
129 | <ironi> ? | ||
130 | <dwihno> me is using mysql | ||
131 | <ironi> ok | ||
132 | <ironi> anyway | ||
133 | <ironi> i dont unbderstand what you want | ||
134 | <ironi> i dont gett the table | ||
135 | <dwihno> I have a table linking two tables together | ||
136 | <dwihno> to make multiple selection of objects available | ||
137 | <ironi> ok sure | ||
138 | <dwihno> the link table has the userid and projectid | ||
139 | <ironi> you have a like a projcet table , a member table, and a project_member table? | ||
140 | <dwihno> and for every user, I want to count the number of projects matching the user id, in a single query | ||
141 | <ironi> saying which member is involved in which project | ||
142 | <dwihno> yup | ||
143 | <ironi> but is the table you pasted the result you want, right? | ||
144 | <dwihno> nope | ||
145 | <dwihno> just some example stuff :) | ||
146 | <ironi> eh,.... | ||
147 | <ironi> caue your project_user tablejust has project id and member id, right | ||
148 | <dwihno> yup | ||
149 | <ironi> ok | ||
150 | <ironi> well that is impossible with out a subquery | ||
151 | <ironi> and in mysql you cant do them | ||
152 | <dwihno> darn! | ||
153 | <ironi> well maybe you could do a join | ||
154 | <dwihno> I wanted to draw a cute progress bar :) | ||
155 | <ironi> it was a while since i used sql | ||
156 | <dwihno> 1 query per user would be a pain in the arse | ||
157 | <ironi> yeah | ||
158 | <dwihno> but who gives a shit ;) | ||
159 | <ironi> but... | ||
160 | <ironi> cant you just do a loop? | ||
161 | <dwihno> 1 query to get the ID's and then 1 query per userid | ||
162 | <ironi> well eya | ||
163 | <ironi> yea | ||
164 | <ironi> loop trough the id's , getting the result for each | ||
165 | <ironi> or can't you do your progress bar then? | ||
166 | <dwihno> Hehe | ||
167 | <dwihno> The progress bar makes the stuff so CUTE! :D | ||
168 | <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | ||
169 | --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
170 | <dwihno> Why did I ever start doing SQL stuff?! | ||
171 | * dwihno dumps the idea of progress bar ;) | ||
172 | <ironi> dwihno: are you doing php with it ? | ||
173 | <dwihno> ironi: jees | ||
174 | <dwihno> Pee Höö Pee | ||
175 | <ironi> but dwihno | ||
176 | <ironi> cant you do select user.name, count(projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=poject.userid | ||
177 | <ironi> or am i thinking wrong | ||
178 | <ironi> ooops | ||
179 | <ironi> select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid | ||
180 | <ironi> dwihno: how about that? | ||
181 | <ironi> dwihno! wake up! | ||
182 | * Bagder offers ironi the microphone and turns up the volume of the loadspeakers | ||
183 | <ironi> thank you | ||
184 | <ironi> *harkel* | ||
185 | <dwihno> ironi: hellö hellö | ||
186 | <ironi> dwihno: so? | ||
187 | <dwihno> What who how? | ||
188 | <ironi> read the last query i wrote | ||
189 | <dwihno> *read* | ||
190 | <ironi> cant you do it like that? | ||
191 | <dwihno> hey, that might work | ||
192 | <ironi> im kinda embarrased i didnt come up with it immediately | ||
193 | <dwihno> Don't be! :) | ||
194 | <dwihno> You gave me the DELL tip! :D | ||
195 | <ironi> ehm | ||
196 | <ironi> i think you will have to group by | ||
197 | <ironi> select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid GROUP BY user.username | ||
198 | <ironi> otherwise you weill get count for all rows on all rows | ||
199 | <ironi> =) | ||
200 | <ironi> ok i should be group by user.name if i used user.name inthe slect clause | ||
201 | <ironi> but u know what i mean | ||
202 | <dwihno> Yeah | ||
203 | <dwihno> YOU GAVE ME THE DELL TIP! :D | ||
204 | <ironi> so did this work? | ||
205 | <dwihno> I'm fiddling | ||
206 | <dwihno> Battery charged | ||
207 | <dwihno> I love my archos | ||
208 | <dwihno> I never realized I couldn't live without it before I actually got it! | ||
209 | <ironi> my just shows charging... | ||
210 | <Bagder> dwihno: you tried tetris on it yet? | ||
211 | <ironi> i dont use mine as much as i should | ||
212 | <dwihno> Bagder: No tetris for the recorder yet ;/ | ||
213 | <Bagder> there is | ||
214 | <Bagder> wait | ||
215 | <dwihno> There is? | ||
216 | * Bagder scans for the URL | ||
217 | <Bagder> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/tetris.ajz | ||
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219 | <Bagder> it doesn't spin down the HD though | ||
220 | <dwihno> hey, it worked | ||
221 | <dwihno> Bagder: how come? | ||
222 | <Bagder> the ATA code should do that | ||
223 | <Bagder> ... and it doesn't work on the recorder yet :-) | ||
224 | <dwihno> hehe | ||
225 | <dwihno> Then why are you IRC:ing?! :) | ||
226 | <Bagder> hm | ||
227 | <Bagder> I don't know ;-) | ||
228 | <ironi> dwihno: you're welcome | ||
229 | <ironi> after 10 credits of sql i should have given you the answer immediately | ||
230 | <ironi> = | ||
231 | <ironi> ) | ||
232 | * ironi is gone, out in da sun [l/on p/on] | ||
233 | <dwihno> ironi: THE SUN WILL GET YOU KILLED! Get back here! :) | ||
234 | <ironi> i have my ray-bans | ||
235 | * Bagder gets valgrind and ddives in | ||
236 | <dwihno> valgrind? | ||
237 | <Bagder> "Valgrind, an open-source memory debugger for x86-GNU/Linux" | ||
238 | <Hadaka> valgrind is nice | ||
239 | <dwihno> I will invent something too! | ||
240 | <dwihno> I know, a new X11 toolkit! ;D | ||
241 | <Bagder> valgrind is really nice | ||
242 | <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox | ||
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244 | <Hadaka> hey, have you guys looked into 'newlib'? | ||
245 | <Linus> you mean the removal of it? | ||
246 | <Hadaka> hm, I'm quite out of things - removal? | ||
247 | <dwihno> What's newlib btw? | ||
248 | <Hadaka> nm, I'd better read the mailinglist archives before I ask stupid questions | ||
249 | <Hadaka> Newlib is a C library intended for use on embedded systems. | ||
250 | <Linus> I thought you meant if we had gotten rid of our newlib dependencies yet | ||
251 | <Linus> we use newlib today | ||
252 | <Hadaka> why do you want to get rid of it? | ||
253 | <Linus> but only for a few functions | ||
254 | <dwihno> Hadaka: Ah, okay | ||
255 | <Linus> because it is of no use to us other that for the header files | ||
256 | <dwihno> header files are evil! :) | ||
257 | <Linus> :-) | ||
258 | <Hadaka> hm ok, I don't know enough to comment | ||
259 | <dwihno> #include <linus_secret_stuff.h> | ||
260 | <dwihno> That's all you need when doing embedded stuff! :) | ||
261 | <Linus> We used newlib in the beginning when we didn't have much implemented | ||
262 | <Linus> but now we have all that newlib has to offer internally | ||
263 | <Linus> that gives us a smaller footprint | ||
264 | * dwihno counted project time today | ||
265 | <Linus> and you don't need to compile newlib when you build the cross compiler | ||
266 | <dwihno> <-- is gonna afford a kickass DELL box! :D | ||
267 | <Linus> dwihno: a laptop? | ||
268 | <Hadaka> same interface as newlib or your own? | ||
269 | <dwihno> yup :) | ||
270 | <Linus> Hadaka: same. it's ISO standard | ||
271 | <dwihno> with geforce go card | ||
272 | <Hadaka> ok | ||
273 | <dwihno> So I can play cstrike | ||
274 | <Linus> dwihno: have an URL? | ||
275 | <dwihno> http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_2650.htm | ||
276 | <Linus> dwihno: phew! that's a BEAST! | ||
277 | <Linus> a bit heavy, though | ||
278 | <dwihno> The tip of the day: The bread "gräddad längtan" is yum with salad and stuff :) | ||
279 | <Linus> and i would like better resolution that 1024X768 | ||
280 | <dwihno> Linus: As long as it works ;D | ||
281 | <dwihno> I like 1024 | ||
282 | <dwihno> So I'm gonna dual-boot with linux | ||
283 | <dwihno> Linus: You should get some lunch! | ||
284 | <Hadaka> I've been very happy since I uninstalled windows my laptops | ||
285 | <dwihno> Hadaka: I need Windows for Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator etc. :/ | ||
286 | <Hadaka> I usually get several months uptime for my laptop | ||
287 | <dwihno> yum! | ||
288 | <dwihno> Now that's what I call a good lunch! | ||
289 | <-- Bagder has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.") | ||
290 | --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
291 | * Bagder made his first customized valgrind supresses | ||
292 | * dwihno is back from the quake session | ||
293 | --> havardk (havardk@soraas.student.nlh.no) has joined #rockbox | ||
294 | <dwihno> havard kvålen? | ||
295 | <havardk> emm, yes? | ||
296 | <dwihno> Cool :) | ||
297 | <webmind> try icelandic | ||
298 | <havardk> dwihno : who are you, and why do you know my name? :) | ||
299 | * Bagder awaits the answer ;-) | ||
300 | <Bagder> havardk: tried rockbox? | ||
301 | <havardk> no, I haven't | ||
302 | <havardk> I don't have an Archos, although I've been thinking about getting one | ||
303 | <Bagder> hehe, ok | ||
304 | <Bagder> well I haven't *really* tried it either as I have a recorder and we don't do well on that yet | ||
305 | <Bagder> I've only seen it on Björn's player | ||
306 | * webmind waits untill is as equal or more features and les bugs then original firmware | ||
307 | <webmind> it has | ||
308 | <Bagder> that might take a while .-) | ||
309 | * dwihno waits until it show other than ata: -5 on the recorder ;) | ||
310 | <webmind> badi have patience | ||
311 | <webmind> er | ||
312 | <webmind> Bagder, | ||
313 | <webmind> damn this keyboard | ||
314 | <Bagder> I'm a bit dissapointed no one tried my playlist code on target yet | ||
315 | <Linus> I am about to. | ||
316 | <Bagder> oh | ||
317 | <Bagder> I better hide then ;-) | ||
318 | <Linus> but i have *shrug* work to do... | ||
319 | * dwihno starts the drumroll | ||
320 | <Bagder> WORK?! aaaah | ||
321 | <dwihno> My hands are getting tired... Test the godforsaken playlist code :) | ||
322 | <Bagder> endurance you need | ||
323 | <Linus> a world record you will beat, my young apprentice | ||
324 | <dwihno> Linus: Get back to work ;) | ||
325 | <Linus> yes. master | ||
326 | <dwihno> Damn, it's hot outside! | ||
327 | <dwihno> Obey me, you will | ||
328 | <Linus> :-) | ||
329 | <Bagder> rockbox is gaining rank quickly on sourceforge activity | ||
330 | <-- trillback has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | ||
331 | --> edx (~not@pD9560764.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
332 | <Bagder> hi edx | ||
333 | <edx> yo | ||
334 | --- edx is now known as edx|class | ||
335 | <edx|class> :) | ||
336 | <edx|class> irony.. you got the css file of the internet site? | ||
337 | <edx|class> i think there's the defualt font set for linux... take like arial / sans ms for that.. | ||
338 | <edx|class> hmm bagder.. any progress regarding ata? | ||
339 | <edx|class> gotta go | ||
340 | <Bagder> no progress yet | ||
341 | <Linus> I'm beginning my Recorder serial mod now...keep your fingers crossed | ||
342 | * Bagder crosses everything he has | ||
343 | <Linus> Strange...the Line In is already patched on my Recorder | ||
344 | <Bagder> uh! | ||
345 | <Linus> two long wires across the entire CPU board | ||
346 | <Linus> and connected to two capacitors | ||
347 | <Linus> I'll just remove them and connect them to the serial port... | ||
348 | <Linus> ...scalpel, nurse... | ||
349 | * dwihno hands Linus the crowbar | ||
350 | <Hadaka> ehh | ||
351 | <dwihno> Linus: patched? | ||
352 | <dwihno> Linus: In what way? | ||
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354 | <jedix> hey | ||
355 | <dwihno> hey ho | ||
356 | <jedix> whats up? | ||
357 | <Bagder> we're busy crossing fingers for Linus | ||
358 | <Bagder> he has his fingers in his Archos as we speak ;-) | ||
359 | <jedix> cool | ||
360 | <jedix> I dunno how to handle this scrolling thing without this being OO or threads | ||
361 | * dwihno crosses his toes too | ||
362 | <dwihno> See? :) | ||
363 | <dwihno> ooo | ||
364 | <dwihno> O | ||
365 | <dwihno> hmm | ||
366 | <dwihno> :) | ||
367 | <Bagder> we have threads | ||
368 | <jedix> see the problem is right now, it just does scrolling.. all the time, and nothing else | ||
369 | <jedix> its in a while(true) loop... :/ | ||
370 | <Bagder> yes, but it could be in its own thread | ||
371 | <Bagder> perhaps | ||
372 | <jedix> yes, that would do it | ||
373 | <Bagder> there's a minor drawback with that: we don't have threads in the simulator (yet) ;-/ | ||
374 | <jedix> an other small problem is that it scrolls well past the screen(takes a while for it to come back) | ||
375 | <Bagder> how do you mean? | ||
376 | <jedix> it scrolls to the left until you can;t see it.. but then it keeps going | ||
377 | <Bagder> so make it not do that ;-) | ||
378 | <jedix> yeah, working on that :) | ||
379 | <jedix> also, the text warps around the line on me.. | ||
380 | <jedix> where does that happen? | ||
381 | <Bagder> that's a flaw in the simulator | ||
382 | <jedix> oh, ok | ||
383 | <Bagder> I'll have a look at it right now | ||
384 | <Bagder> that's lcd_puts() in a player, right? | ||
385 | <jedix> yeah | ||
386 | <jedix> brb, going to get breakfast | ||
387 | <Bagder> ok, I'll commit a fix | ||
388 | <Bagder> hm, bad fix | ||
389 | <Bagder> better | ||
390 | <jedix> hehe | ||
391 | <jedix> so, if I update my cvs.. will my changes be removed? | ||
392 | <Bagder> no | ||
393 | <Bagder> they'll be merged | ||
394 | <jedix> k | ||
395 | <jedix> i get a few errors | ||
396 | <Bagder> when updating? | ||
397 | <jedix> building | ||
398 | <Bagder> show me | ||
399 | <jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `peek_next_track': | ||
400 | <jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:213: undefined reference to `playlist_next' | ||
401 | <jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `dirbrowse': | ||
402 | <jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:307: undefined reference to `play_list' | ||
403 | <jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/play.o: In function `playtune': | ||
404 | <jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/play.c:88: undefined reference to `mpeg_play' | ||
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406 | <Bagder> did you update the uisimulator tree too? | ||
407 | <jedix> I updated everything | ||
408 | <Bagder> hm, do 'make clean' and 'make' again to be sure | ||
409 | <jedix> same thing | ||
410 | <jedix> you don't get this? | ||
411 | <Bagder> nope, and neither do http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-auto/ | ||
412 | <jedix> cvs update -dP in the root dir.. | ||
413 | <Bagder> where you checked out "." ? | ||
414 | <jedix> yeah | ||
415 | <jedix> yeah | ||
416 | <jedix> sorry, wrong window | ||
417 | <jedix> cvs update: move away uisimulator/x11/xmu.h; it is in the way | ||
418 | <jedix> C uisimulator/x11/xmu.h | ||
419 | <jedix> is that ok? | ||
420 | <Bagder> no | ||
421 | <Bagder> I mean, sure you can remove it, and it'll come back when you update | ||
422 | <Bagder> but it shouldn't say that in the first place | ||
423 | <Bagder> hm, are you running make in the uisimulator/x11 dir? | ||
424 | <jedix> I did once.. but I just deleted that dir | ||
425 | <Bagder> the uisimulator/x11 ? | ||
426 | <jedix> I got it now | ||
427 | <jedix> i deleted the uisimulator dir | ||
428 | <jedix> and it works | ||
429 | <Bagder> it works without that dir? | ||
430 | <jedix> no I updated and got it again | ||
431 | <Bagder> ah | ||
432 | <Bagder> ok | ||
433 | <Bagder> fine | ||
434 | <jedix> the text still wraps to the next line though | ||
435 | <jedix> but I fixed my scroll problem :) | ||
436 | <Bagder> wraps one letter or completely? | ||
437 | <jedix> completely | ||
438 | <dwihno> cool stuff :D | ||
439 | --- dwihno is now known as dw|weekend | ||
440 | <dw|weekend> SWEDEN SHALL WIN! :D | ||
441 | <jedix> I'm sure its thursday | ||
442 | <dw|weekend> Me too | ||
443 | <dw|weekend> I'm taking the day off | ||
444 | <dw|weekend> 1) watch the game | ||
445 | <dw|weekend> 2) go for a weekend trip | ||
446 | <jedix> nice | ||
447 | <Bagder> jedix: regarding the wrapping, you either check out why in the lcd_puts() or I fix that when I code that shows this happen | ||
448 | <jedix> k | ||
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450 | <Bagder> I think I know why it happens | ||
451 | <Bagder> it's a define issue | ||
452 | <jedix> after I print a line of text I try to clear the rectangle.. but it doesn;t work | ||
453 | <Hadaka> running mkfs.vfat on my archos right now | ||
454 | <Hadaka> would I need to specify the logical sector size by hand? | ||
455 | <Bagder> I don't know | ||
456 | <Hadaka> well I didn't, anyway | ||
457 | <Hadaka> though I did put -F 32 just in case | ||
458 | <Bagder> yes, you need that | ||
459 | <Bagder> if I recall correctly | ||
460 | <Hadaka> I wonder how long this will take | ||
461 | <Hadaka> ooh, finished | ||
462 | <Hadaka> hmm! where does this thing save the play mode? | ||
463 | <Hadaka> after mkfs.vfat, it still is in random play | ||
464 | <Bagder> it saved in an unused sector | ||
465 | <Bagder> +is | ||
466 | <Hadaka> unused sector outside the filesystem? | ||
467 | <Bagder> yes | ||
468 | <Bagder> one of the first ones | ||
469 | <jedix> what is LCD_WIDTH measured in? is it the amount of chars that can be displayed on the screen? | ||
470 | <Hadaka> ok so if I stumbled around with fdisk, I could get it erased or something? | ||
471 | <Bagder> jedix: that is pixels, and is only available for bitmap LCDs | ||
472 | <jedix> Bagder: how do I get the lenght on the other screen? | ||
473 | <Bagder> Hadaka: I'm not really sure, I'm mostly repeating things I've learned from the others right now | ||
474 | <Bagder> I dunno | ||
475 | <Bagder> maybe there's a define, maybe not ;-) | ||
476 | <Hadaka> yikes, cache writes are scary | ||
477 | <Bagder> Linus: what's the status? | ||
478 | <Hadaka> weird - I get 10Mb/sec transfer rates and then total lockups when it actually writes the stuff to the disk | ||
479 | <Bagder> uh :-( | ||
480 | <Hadaka> ooh I love preemptiple kernel patch | ||
481 | <Hadaka> load at 4 :) | ||
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483 | <edx> hi | ||
484 | <Bagder> rehi | ||
485 | <jedix> Hadaka = Linus? | ||
486 | <jedix> hey edx | ||
487 | <jedix> oh... nm | ||
488 | <edx> heh.. your function is working now? | ||
489 | <Hadaka> nno, I'm not linus :) | ||
490 | <Linus> I am Linus | ||
491 | <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | ||
492 | <Linus> i have connected the serial port on the recorder | ||
493 | <Linus> but the Tx isn't quite working | ||
494 | <Linus> i might have to dust off the oscilloscope | ||
495 | <edx> that's for debugging? | ||
496 | <Linus> yes | ||
497 | <edx> might that help with the ata problem? | ||
498 | <Linus> of course | ||
499 | <jedix> edx: sorta working | ||
500 | <edx> ah ok | ||
501 | <edx> *teatime* :) | ||
502 | --- Linus is now known as Linus|verybusy | ||
503 | <edx> linux: to me it seems the memory area for the command is wrong (but i dont know much about that h/w business) | ||
504 | --- edx is now known as edx|tea | ||
505 | <Linus|verybusy> edx|tea: not according to the schematics | ||
506 | <Linus|verybusy> Guys! Do we know if the clock frequency on the recorder is 12MHz as well? | ||
507 | <Bagder> I don't | ||
508 | <Linus|verybusy> The schematics say 11.05 | ||
509 | <Bagder> oh | ||
510 | <Linus|verybusy> that means i have to recalculate the baud generator... | ||
511 | <Bagder> yeah | ||
512 | <Bagder> no wonder it doesn't work ;-) | ||
513 | <Hadaka> is the cpu in these running at full speed at all times - or is there some halt mechanism? | ||
514 | <Bagder> I believe there is some kind of sleep mode, but then we probably can't be playing mp3 | ||
515 | <Hadaka> but while playing, the thing is running at full cpu? | ||
516 | <Bagder> yes | ||
517 | --- edx|tea is now known as edx | ||
518 | <edx> hmm the frequenzy doesnt have anything to do with ata, does it? | ||
519 | * edx wants ata to work :) | ||
520 | <Bagder> but the frequency needs to be known for the serial port to work | ||
521 | <Bagder> without serial port, no gdb | ||
522 | <edx> yea.. serial port.. | ||
523 | <Bagder> without gdb, no ata debugging | ||
524 | <edx> but ata .. hehe | ||
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526 | <Hadaka> 6293838 100% 56.69kB/s 0:01:47 | ||
527 | <Hadaka> 968704 100% 12.75MB/s 0:00:00 | ||
528 | <Hadaka> I wonder if all this fluctuation is caused by the preemptible kernel patch or the uhci stuff or the fact that I have debug output still on in usb-storage | ||
529 | <jedix> that good or bad? | ||
530 | <Hadaka> well I dunno - I can tell when the transfer is finished that what was the total speed | ||
531 | <Hadaka> it's a tad bit annoying atleast not to see the real transfer speed since you only see files going into the cache - and then going out of the cache afterwards | ||
532 | <-- Linus|verybusy (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox | ||
533 | --> Coug (~bandaarp@198.187.233.138) has joined #rockbox | ||
534 | <Coug> hey all | ||
535 | <Coug> hello? | ||
536 | <edx> hi | ||
537 | <webmind> hi | ||
538 | <Coug> ah finally | ||
539 | <Coug> are any of you developers in the rockbox project? | ||
540 | <webmind> some | ||
541 | <Coug> is there any ambition to add aac support to the firmware? | ||
542 | <webmind> aac? | ||
543 | <webmind> what's that? | ||
544 | <Coug> advanced audio something | ||
545 | <webmind> doubt it | ||
546 | <Coug> low bitrate - high quality | ||
547 | <webmind> cos mp3 decoding is done trhough hardware | ||
548 | <webmind> through | ||
549 | <Coug> ah | ||
550 | <webmind> decoding chip | ||
551 | <Coug> dang | ||
552 | <Coug> do you know, are there any dos drivers for the archos? | ||
553 | <webmind> so i think mp3/mpeg will be it | ||
554 | <webmind> doubt it | ||
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556 | <Coug> is there a way to create recorder drivers for dos? | ||
557 | <webmind> if u can get usb to work in dos | ||
558 | <Coug> how can you do that? | ||
559 | <webmind> get drivers | ||
560 | <webmind> doubt they exist though | ||
561 | <Coug> lol | ||
562 | <Coug> you mean just straight usb drivers? | ||
563 | <webmind> well | ||
564 | <Coug> or archos recorder drivers? | ||
565 | <webmind> u need usb support no ? | ||
566 | <Coug> of course | ||
567 | <webmind> afaik archos uses usb.. so | ||
568 | <webmind> u need usb support in dos | ||
569 | <Coug> true | ||
570 | <webmind> and support for the usb harddrive controller | ||
571 | <webmind> isd200 | ||
572 | <Coug> ok | ||
573 | <Coug> but you can use usb keyboards in dos | ||
574 | <Coug> so there has to be at least some level of usb support | ||
575 | <webmind> dunno bout that | ||
576 | <satino> can my archos jukebox work under linux? | ||
577 | <Coug> if you get linux drivers | ||
578 | <satino> is it easy to set up? | ||
579 | <Coug> webmind - my whole goal here is to turn the archos into a bootable harddrive | ||
580 | <webmind> satino, sure.. linux support is the current kernel | ||
581 | <webmind> Coug, ah.. i think u need bios support then | ||
582 | <webmind> Coug, dunno if there are any bios's that support booting from usb hd | ||
583 | <Coug> i was thinking about a boot disk (floppy) that allows you to then boot to the archos | ||
584 | <webmind> Coug, ah.. then try a linux boot disk :) | ||
585 | <webmind> that has drivers :) | ||
586 | <Coug> for the archos though? | ||
587 | <miah> to get the archos workign in linux, you need a kernel that supports SCSI, and USB ISD2000, you wont see the ISD2000 config option unless scsi is enabled though | ||
588 | <satino> webmind, well, do I need to compile a new kernel? | ||
589 | <webmind> satino, if u dont have support build in.. probably yes | ||
590 | <webmind> Coug, if u have your bootdisk with a kernel with acrhos support u just access it as a scsi harddrive.. and thus boot from it | ||
591 | <Coug> webmind - how will that work, because i want to boot windows xp | ||
592 | <Coug> could i close linux and then still boot? | ||
593 | <Coug> webmind - could you lead me through the general process (starting with the floppy) for a bootable archos? | ||
594 | <webmind> Coug, u wont be able to run xp from it | ||
595 | <webmind> not booting | ||
596 | <Coug> that is why i was thinking DOS | ||
597 | <webmind> wont work | ||
598 | <webmind> xp doesnt run from dos either | ||
599 | <webmind> u need to load the support for the archos at boot from a different medium | ||
600 | <Coug> could i then make a bootable cd? | ||
601 | <webmind> with linux u can put the kernel with the added support on a floppy disk | ||
602 | <webmind> can't do that with xp | ||
603 | <webmind> not with winxp | ||
604 | <Coug> techinically, why not? | ||
605 | <webmind> cos winxp needs write access | ||
606 | <Coug> why couldnt it then use the c:\ drive or the archos? | ||
607 | <webmind> and it's not reilly possible to determin the files that need to be writeable and put those on a ram disk | ||
608 | <webmind> Coug, it could.. but not for booting | ||
609 | <webmind> and it needs the system files for booting | ||
610 | <Coug> if the cd just enabled the usb and the driver support for the archos, could you allow the comp to see the archos for booting? | ||
611 | <Coug> like use the cd as a driver for the archos? | ||
612 | <Coug> kind of like Microsoft did with Windows 95 and the CD | ||
613 | <Coug> build in a "mini OS" that allows a program to run off of the CD | ||
614 | <webmind> Coug, yes.. but u cant do that with winxp | ||
615 | <Coug> or archos in this case? | ||
616 | <Coug> can you follow my line of reasoning for a sec? | ||
617 | <Coug> put in a floppy, or cd, and boot to dos | ||
618 | <Coug> load the archos drivers for dos that allow read/write access | ||
619 | <Coug> then start the boot process from the archos | ||
620 | <Coug> where would the files need to be written to during boot? | ||
621 | <webmind> Coug, xp doesnt support booting from dos... | ||
622 | <Coug> ah, how does it work? | ||
623 | <webmind> xp boots on its own | ||
624 | <webmind> starting from the NT system windows stopts using dos as underlying platform | ||
625 | <Coug> ok | ||
626 | <webmind> xp is followup from windows 200 which is windows nt | ||
627 | <Coug> so i could do that with 98, but not xp? | ||
628 | <webmind> windowsm 2000 | ||
629 | <webmind> Coug, u might be able to do it with win98 yes | ||
630 | <webmind> if u can get dos drivers | ||
631 | <webmind> which u would probably have to make yourself | ||
632 | <Coug> that i may be able to do | ||
633 | <Coug> is there a way to trick xp into thinking that dos is not running? | ||
634 | <webmind> hehe | ||
635 | <webmind> not that simple | ||
636 | <Coug> or a way to initiate the boot process from dos? | ||
637 | <webmind> dunno.. but doubt it | ||
638 | <Coug> i figured it wouldnt be, but it was worth a shot | ||
639 | <webmind> u could run xp within linux though.. but then u would lose a lot of andvantages | ||
640 | <webmind> like support for 3d cards and stuff | ||
641 | <Coug> ya | ||
642 | <Coug> vmware? | ||
643 | <webmind> uhuh | ||
644 | <webmind> thereby.. remeber.. archos only can get 1mb/s | ||
645 | <Coug> i dont have a liscense for it | ||
646 | <webmind> which is quite slow | ||
647 | <Coug> ya | ||
648 | <Coug> no kidding | ||
649 | <Coug> so.... the trick is tricking the bios into thinking that the archos is a harddrive..... | ||
650 | <Coug> that doesnt sound easy | ||
651 | <webmind> u need usb harddrive support in the bios then | ||
652 | <webmind> .. | ||
653 | <webmind> and i haven't seen that before | ||
654 | <webmind> scsi, zip, ls120.. but no usb hd's | ||
655 | <Coug> then.... is there a way to start the xp boot process from a disk and load the archos driver very early, then refer it to the archos? | ||
656 | <edx> coug.. they are loaded very early.. | ||
657 | <edx> i once had scandisc run over my archos at boot time | ||
658 | <Coug> hmmm...... so i could put some of the xp files on a cd then refer the other files to the x:\ or whatever drive? | ||
659 | <Coug> maybe? | ||
660 | <webmind> u could put some of the files on the archos yes | ||
661 | <webmind> proably the stuff like programs | ||
662 | <webmind> but XP still needs to find them | ||
663 | <Coug> but windows xp wont all fit on a CD will it? | ||
664 | <webmind> dont think so | ||
665 | <webmind> thereby i doubt it will boot from cd | ||
666 | <webmind> btw, why do u want to boot xp from archos ? | ||
667 | <webmind> i mean.. it will run terribly slow | ||
668 | <Coug> i am attending a college that wont allow me to use my archos because of security restrictions | ||
669 | <Coug> but they allow the download of programs | ||
670 | <webmind> lovely | ||
671 | <Coug> so i wanted to download things and put them on the archos | ||
672 | <webmind> so why boot xp from it ? | ||
673 | <Coug> and i LOVE xp | ||
674 | <webmind> well it's not helping u here | ||
675 | <Coug> and i HATE 98 | ||
676 | <Coug> i know | ||
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678 | <webmind> i can tell u linux would most likely work | ||
679 | <Coug> and my friend is a Mac fan *shudder* and he brags that he can put his firewire drive in and boot to it | ||
680 | <webmind> and if u want to keep full compatibility of the filesystem u could even put your filesystem in a file | ||
681 | <webmind> u'd just put the kernel on a floppy | ||
682 | <Coug> how would you boot that? | ||
683 | <webmind> u'd have look into some docs | ||
684 | <Coug> i dont know much at all about the boot process of OSes | ||
685 | <Coug> ok | ||
686 | <webmind> i'm no expert on the field | ||
687 | <webmind> but i know what can be done | ||
688 | <Coug> i dont know what *can* be done, but i am a programmer, so, if it can be thought of, it *can* be done | ||
689 | <webmind> easiest way would probably be making a different partition on the arcohs | ||
690 | <Coug> in one way or another | ||
691 | <webmind> archos | ||
692 | <Coug> hey.... thats a good idea, but can you do that and still have windows support? | ||
693 | <webmind> Coug, well for windows solution it sometimes CAN be done.. but not withouth braking laws | ||
694 | <Coug> do they not allow you to tweak certain things? | ||
695 | <webmind> edx, do u know if the archos has problems if there are unsupported partitions on the drive ? | ||
696 | <webmind> Coug, some things.. not most of the things.. | ||
697 | <webmind> Coug, i think u need detailed info on xp if u want to tweak the boot process | ||
698 | <Coug> do you know where i could get that? | ||
699 | <Coug> please dont say Microsoft KB | ||
700 | <webmind> i dont think there is a legal way | ||
701 | <webmind> unless MS is willing to provide the ingo | ||
702 | <webmind> info | ||
703 | <webmind> which i doubt | ||
704 | <Coug> i dont see why they wouldnt disclose how to boot xp from a cd...... | ||
705 | <Coug> but it is Microsoft | ||
706 | <webmind> indeed.. | ||
707 | <webmind> they disclose i lot they dont need to | ||
708 | <webmind> i=a | ||
709 | <webmind> but i'd say linux should do the trick | ||
710 | <Coug> ya | ||
711 | <Coug> but i dont know how to do crap with linux | ||
712 | <webmind> windows support of the archos wont be the problem i think | ||
713 | <webmind> but i dont know if the device itself as problems with unsupoorted partitions | ||
714 | <webmind> Coug, figure it out then :) | ||
715 | <Coug> lol | ||
716 | <Coug> i try | ||
717 | <Coug> but dont know any c or c++ so it gets difficult | ||
718 | <webmind> if u want to spent time in it.. it's not hard to learn | ||
719 | <Coug> and alot of my stuff is unsupported by my flavor of linux | ||
720 | <webmind> u'r a delphi coder? | ||
721 | <Coug> VB | ||
722 | <Coug> i have done a little delphi | ||
723 | <webmind> sorry.. i'd hardly call that a programmer | ||
724 | <Coug> and i have a good friend that is a delphi coder | ||
725 | <Coug> i do some java too | ||
726 | <webmind> delphi is something | ||
727 | <Coug> no... not jscript | ||
728 | <webmind> java is indeed coding | ||
729 | <webmind> but sorry.. visual basic is not | ||
730 | <Coug> i have worked with basic too | ||
731 | <Coug> why isnt vb coding? | ||
732 | <webmind> still | ||
733 | <Coug> too easy? | ||
734 | <webmind> cos it's not | ||
735 | <webmind> it;s just a toolkit | ||
736 | <webmind> doesn't have any real power | ||
737 | <Coug> i like to think that i do alot of my own stuff in vb and dont always use pre programmed stuff | ||
738 | <webmind> vb is preprogrammed | ||
739 | <Coug> infact, i wrote a program that calculates factorial numbers | ||
740 | <webmind> u can do that scripting... | ||
741 | <Coug> and i had to write the multiplication procedure from the ground up | ||
742 | <Coug> using integers instead of other types | ||
743 | <Coug> the numbers got too big | ||
744 | <Coug> the largest number i have calculated is 15000!.... | ||
745 | <Coug> it was 56,140 digits long | ||
746 | <webmind> .. | ||
747 | <Coug> so..... i did have to do some programming there | ||
748 | <Coug> but otherwise, you a right | ||
749 | <Coug> vb is just a toolkit | ||
750 | <Coug> a = are | ||
751 | * webmind prfers perl or c | ||
752 | <webmind> prefers | ||
753 | <Coug> ya | ||
754 | <Coug> i would love to learn c or c++ | ||
755 | <webmind> learn it then | ||
756 | <webmind> not that hard | ||
757 | <webmind> lot's of books about it | ||
758 | <Coug> i am taking a class next year in school over c++ | ||
759 | <Coug> i'll probably wait until then | ||
760 | <webmind> and dont use vc++ or c# or anything | ||
761 | <Coug> lol | ||
762 | <Coug> why not vc++? | ||
763 | <webmind> cos it's to dependant | ||
764 | <Coug> oh | ||
765 | <Coug> ok | ||
766 | <webmind> i'd advice to first build general C/C++ knowledge | ||
767 | <webmind> instead of just learning to code some win apps | ||
768 | <Coug> will do | ||
769 | <Coug> of course | ||
770 | <webmind> that way u can choose for what platform u want to code.. or even code for all platforms | ||
771 | <Coug> ya | ||
772 | <webmind> which will make you far more flexible.. and as a bonus more interesting for the job market :) | ||
773 | <Coug> true | ||
774 | <Coug> so..... do you think that booting xp from cd/archos is a waste of time? or even feasable? | ||
775 | <miah> its a waste of time | ||
776 | <webmind> Coug, i dont think it's actually possible.. and if it is.. a waste of time | ||
777 | <Coug> ah | ||
778 | <Coug> ok | ||
779 | <webmind> especially since if it will run.. it will run as slow as hell | ||
780 | <Coug> how could i boot linux then? | ||
781 | <Coug> and have archos support? | ||
782 | <miah> install linux | ||
783 | <webmind> get a linux boot disk with archos support | ||
784 | <miah> build kernel with archos support | ||
785 | <miah> and you're set | ||
786 | <webmind> use your archos as root device | ||
787 | <webmind> done | ||
788 | <Coug> miah - i cant install anything to the harddrive of the computer | ||
789 | <miah> why? | ||
790 | <Coug> its not my computer | ||
791 | <webmind> miah, school machine | ||
792 | <miah> ah | ||
793 | <miah> buy a computer? | ||
794 | <webmind> Coug, fix it on your won machine | ||
795 | <miah> they're what $200 now? | ||
796 | <webmind> own | ||
797 | <miah> if you can afford a archos, you can certainly afford a computer | ||
798 | <Coug> nah nah, its not that, i dont have high speed internet at home | ||
799 | <webmind> Coug, install linux then on your archos | ||
800 | <Coug> and i cant hook my archos at school | ||
801 | <Coug> (security) | ||
802 | <Coug> webmind - ok | ||
803 | <webmind> Coug, it's doable.. but it is some work... | ||
804 | <webmind> but way more doable then with xp | ||
805 | <Coug> will mandrake 8.1 work with the archos easily? | ||
806 | <Coug> ok | ||
807 | <webmind> Coug, i'd advice debian | ||
808 | <webmind> Coug, takes less | ||
809 | <Coug> ok | ||
810 | <Coug> where can i get that and how big is the dl? | ||
811 | <Coug> and is there built-in archos support? | ||
812 | <webmind> u can have a minimal graphical installation for under 300mb | ||
813 | <Coug> one thing though is that i want X and i would like KDE but KDE isnt nessecary | ||
814 | <webmind> Coug, dunno if the archos support is on the installdisk.. but otherwise u need a custom installdisk | ||
815 | <webmind> Coug, i think u want something light... since it's a damn slow device.. so i wouldn't go further then a light gnome installation | ||
816 | <Coug> how about network config? | ||
817 | <Coug> easy? | ||
818 | <webmind> Coug, but windowmaker, blackbox or icewm would be more doable i think | ||
819 | <webmind> Coug, u can use dhcp | ||
820 | <webmind> asuming the network has that | ||
821 | <Coug> if it matters, it is a novell network | ||
822 | <Hadaka> err um, how does one boot from an usb connected archos device? | ||
823 | <webmind> Hadaka, bootdisk | ||
824 | <webmind> floppy | ||
825 | <Coug> but doesnt require authentication, proved using the mac boot drive | ||
826 | <Coug> boot = bootable | ||
827 | <Hadaka> bootdisk with the kernel and stuff? | ||
828 | <Coug> ya | ||
829 | <webmind> Hadaka, uhuh | ||
830 | <Hadaka> hrm, nasty | ||
831 | <webmind> Hadaka, just the kernel and maybe lilo | ||
832 | <webmind> easy as pie | ||
833 | <Coug> why need lilo? | ||
834 | <Coug> cant i just set it to boot to the archos no matter what? | ||
835 | <webmind> Coug, could help with defining rootdevice.. not sure though | ||
836 | <Coug> the only time i would use the disk is when the archos is being used | ||
837 | <Coug> ok | ||
838 | <Hadaka> grub and a kernel would be good enough I guess | ||
839 | <Coug> that makes sense | ||
840 | <webmind> Coug, don't know detail;s about making bootdisks.. but i think u should be able to tell the kernel that archos is rootdevice | ||
841 | <Coug> ok | ||
842 | <Coug> but what about the drivers? | ||
843 | <Hadaka> you need scsi support, usb support (correct uhci/ohci support) and usb-storage support compiled into the kernel | ||
844 | <webmind> Coug, only real problem would be that i dont know how the archos reacts on unsupported partitions | ||
845 | <Coug> will the kernel automatically recognize the archos? | ||
846 | <Coug> ah, that is the thing | ||
847 | <Coug> yes..... | ||
848 | <Hadaka> then your root device would just be /dev/sda1 - or /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 with devfs :) | ||
849 | <Coug> lets say that i partitioned my archos with linux included, if it didnt work, would there be any way to get it back? | ||
850 | <Hadaka> but if you are using grub (or even lilo) as the boot loader - you can tell the name of the root device while booting if that isn't correct (a machine has other scsi drives= | ||
851 | <Hadaka> yes | ||
852 | <Hadaka> the usb connection always works | ||
853 | <Coug> how? | ||
854 | <Hadaka> regardless | ||
855 | <Hadaka> loads from the flash-rom firmware, gives direct access to the disk - then you can reformat it normally again if it doesn't work | ||
856 | <Coug> would windows recognize the archos as a regular archos drive then, and i would just repartition and format? | ||
857 | <Hadaka> well I don't know what windows does with drives like that - but a windows fdisk or similar should be able to repartition it back the way it was | ||
858 | <Hadaka> but as long as there is a FAT partition first in the drive, I'm guessing that it will work just fine | ||
859 | <Coug> ok | ||
860 | <Coug> webmind - i found a 36 meg debian install | ||
861 | <Coug> how does that work? | ||
862 | <Hadaka> that's the netinstall image | ||
863 | <Coug> meaning.....? | ||
864 | <edx> itll download files later... | ||
865 | <Hadaka> it's able to install the kernel and the base system - and everything else is downloaded from the net | ||
866 | <edx> after you chose packages. | ||
867 | <Hadaka> ...actually the images on that disk are able to install the kernel and the base system from the net as well | ||
868 | <Coug> would i need to download anything from the net to get it to work? | ||
869 | <edx> depends on what you wanna do :) | ||
870 | <Hadaka> well yes - you just get the base system with that - it doesn't have a lot of anything | ||
871 | <Coug> does it have a web browser? | ||
872 | --- edx is now known as edx|eatz | ||
873 | <Hadaka> don't think so | ||
874 | <Hadaka> nor X | ||
875 | <Coug> dang | ||
876 | <edx|eatz> no.. not even graphic user interface | ||
877 | <Hadaka> it's just a base image | ||
878 | <Hadaka> the bare bones that will let the system boot | ||
879 | <Hadaka> and install more packages | ||
880 | <Coug> dang | ||
881 | <Hadaka> what's so dang about it? | ||
882 | <Hadaka> it's the best way to install - everything else requires you to download more | ||
883 | <Coug> but i dont have fast internet at home | ||
884 | <Coug> 26,400 kbps | ||
885 | <edx|eatz> :/ | ||
886 | <Coug> ya | ||
887 | <Coug> well.... | ||
888 | <Hadaka> well then you would probably want the full iso images | ||
889 | <Coug> i gotta get going now, thanks for all the help | ||
890 | <edx|eatz> cu | ||
891 | <Coug> i should be back on later todat | ||
892 | <Coug> today* | ||
893 | <-- Coug has quit () | ||
894 | <jedix> .. | ||
895 | <jedix> anyone around? | ||
896 | --- edx|eatz is now known as edx | ||
897 | <edx> i am | ||
898 | <jedix> cool | ||
899 | <jedix> do you know about threads with this device? | ||
900 | <edx> ouhm... not much | ||
901 | <jedix> oh, ok. my code works ok, but it really needs to be in a thread | ||
902 | <edx> hm... create_thread is the function | ||
903 | <jedix> that way it can be told to sleep.. | ||
904 | <edx> int create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size); | ||
905 | <jedix> how are they handled? | ||
906 | <edx> hmm dont know to tell the truth :) | ||
907 | <jedix> ah well | ||
908 | <jedix> what else besides scrolling text needs to be done then? | ||
909 | <edx> hmm dont know either lol | ||
910 | <jedix> do you want to see the scrolling text? | ||
911 | <edx> ata for recorder needs to be working | ||
912 | <edx> why no :) | ||
913 | <edx> *why not | ||
914 | <edx> lol | ||
915 | <edx> ie. i want to see it | ||
916 | <jedix> ..how about something i can work on..? | ||
917 | <jedix> k | ||
918 | <edx> is it in cvs? | ||
919 | <jedix> I don't think I can dcc it.. | ||
920 | <edx> mail it. | ||
921 | <jedix> i don't think I can check things in | ||
922 | <edx> edx@codeforce.d2g.com | ||
923 | <edx> mail the source.. ill compile for the simulator then | ||
924 | <jedix> k, its off | ||
925 | <edx> ok | ||
926 | <jedix> tree.c is only edited so that my function is used | ||
927 | <edx> where do you come from btw... | ||
928 | <jedix> ? | ||
929 | <jedix> what do you mean | ||
930 | <edx> what country | ||
931 | <edx> i am German | ||
932 | <jedix> canada | ||
933 | <edx> ah.. cool | ||
934 | <jedix> i'm at "work" right now.. | ||
935 | <edx> (just got your mail) | ||
936 | <jedix> government for ya.. | ||
937 | <jedix> what do you thing | ||
938 | <edx> hmm get compiler errors... /fixing at the moment | ||
939 | <jedix> what are they? | ||
940 | <edx> like playlist_next undefined.. :/ | ||
941 | <edx> uisw32 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _usleep referenced in function _lcd_textscroll | ||
942 | <edx> where is usleep ;) | ||
943 | <edx> got it | ||
944 | <jedix> that should be ok | ||
945 | <edx> oh well.. not really.. :( | ||
946 | <jedix> ? | ||
947 | <edx> is that some linux function? | ||
948 | <jedix> maybe | ||
949 | <jedix> you could try sleep(1) | ||
950 | <edx> usleep(80000); | ||
951 | <edx> ugh.. | ||
952 | <edx> how many msecs are that? | ||
953 | <jedix> .8 sec | ||
954 | <edx> when should it be scrolling? | ||
955 | <jedix> ... | ||
956 | <jedix> did you replace the other file too? | ||
957 | <jedix> in apps/ tree.c? | ||
958 | <jedix> thats the only file that calls it right now | ||
959 | <edx> yea.. when is it called? | ||
960 | <jedix> and it will run forever.. so don't overwrite | ||
961 | <jedix> its only called if you have a recorder I think | ||
962 | <edx> a player.. you mean? | ||
963 | <jedix> do you get BROWSE ~~~ | ||
964 | <edx> it is not defined for the recorder lol | ||
965 | <jedix> instead of Browse | ||
966 | <jedix> get it to be called and it will scroll | ||
967 | <jedix> edx: what are you working on? | ||
968 | <edx> win32 simulator | ||
969 | <edx> hmm somehow the cvs is fucked up.. | ||
970 | <edx> like stuff wont compile anymore | ||
971 | <edx> ok.. compile for recorder, right? | ||
972 | <jedix> yeah | ||
973 | <edx> lcd_textscroll(0,0,0, "[BROWSE ~~~~browse browse window size]"); | ||
974 | <edx> uhm | ||
975 | <edx> c:\Programming\CVS Checkout\RockBox\apps\tree.c(135): warning C4013: 'lcd_textscroll' undefined; assuming extern returning int | ||
976 | <edx> ah.. its outside the simulator define | ||
977 | <jedix> .. it is defined | ||
978 | <webmind> question: does the archos mind if i have multiple partitions on it ? | ||
979 | <edx> hmmm | ||
980 | <edx> good question | ||
981 | <edx> try! | ||
982 | <edx> jedix.. got it to work finally | ||
983 | <edx> it is some kind of strange: | ||
984 | <edx> the lcd_putsxy function causes it to break the line if text gets longer than it would fit to the display | ||
985 | <edx> do you experience the same? | ||
986 | <jedix> yes | ||
987 | <edx> ok | ||
988 | <jedix> but it still scrolls | ||
989 | <edx> yup. | ||
990 | <edx> nice. | ||
991 | <jedix> well, sorta | ||
992 | <jedix> it doesn't work because it needs to be in a thread | ||
993 | <jedix> what did you change to get it to work? | ||
994 | <edx> yea.. anyways scrolling works | ||
995 | <edx> hmmm | ||
996 | <edx> you need your own puts function actually.. | ||
997 | <edx> that is without automatic linebreaks.. | ||
998 | <edx> or you cut off the string after a few chars so it needs no line break | ||
999 | <jedix> could Iwrite it based on putsxy? | ||
1000 | <edx> .. yea certainly.. | ||
1001 | <jedix> /* We make the simulator truncate the string if it reaches the right edge, | ||
1002 | <jedix> as otherwise it'll wrap. The real target doesn't wrap. * | ||
1003 | <edx> where is that from? | ||
1004 | <jedix> lcd.c | ||
1005 | <edx> .. found it | ||
1006 | <edx> strange.. | ||
1007 | <edx> that's crap | ||
1008 | <edx> simulator doesnt wrap either | ||
1009 | <jedix> i don't know what that means | ||
1010 | <edx> hmm like the simulator cuts off the string (but it doesnt) | ||
1011 | <edx> i think thats for the player.. | ||
1012 | <edx> ahh | ||
1013 | <edx> yea thats the player code | ||
1014 | <edx> theres another function for the recurder somewhere | ||
1015 | <edx> hmm i gotta go... | ||
1016 | <edx> later. | ||
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1019 | <ironi> hello | ||
1020 | <ironi> http://webon.prodat.no/wsp/aasentunet/webon.wsp?func=list&table=CONTENT&func_id=20020606&template=content | ||
1021 | <ironi> have you seent hat? | ||
1022 | <ironi> that | ||
1023 | <jedix> what is it? | ||
1024 | <jedix> oh yeah | ||
1025 | <jedix> that was /.ed | ||
1026 | <ironi> /.ed? | ||
1027 | <jedix> slashdotted | ||
1028 | <ironi> oh ok | ||
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1040 | * Bagder appears | ||
1041 | * adiamas faints | ||
1042 | --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
1043 | <Bagder> morning Linus | ||
1044 | <Linus> morn | ||
1045 | <Linus> 0x09000ade in ?? () | ||
1046 | <Linus> (gdb) | ||
1047 | <Linus> NINJA! | ||
1048 | <Bagder> *rockers* | ||
1049 | <Bagder> so it was 11 something MHz? | ||
1050 | <Linus> yep | ||
1051 | <Linus> and i had to wire it correctly...strange :-) | ||
1052 | * Linus gets some coffee | ||
1053 | --- Bagder is now known as Bagder|busy | ||
1054 | <Linus> My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code: | ||
1055 | <Linus> it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized | ||
1056 | <webmind> lol | ||
1057 | <Linus> The Recorder ATA is now WORKING!!! | ||
1058 | --- Bagder|busy is now known as Bagder | ||
1059 | <Bagder> you rock hard Linus | ||
1060 | <Linus> i am a hard rocker, you know... :-) | ||
1061 | <Bagder> lots of long hair ;-) | ||
1062 | <Linus> :-) | ||
1063 | <Linus> what do we do about the logo? | ||
1064 | <Bagder> uh? | ||
1065 | <Bagder> what about it? | ||
1066 | <Linus> My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code: | ||
1067 | <Linus> it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized | ||
1068 | <Bagder> ah | ||
1069 | <Bagder> well, either move that code or just comment it out | ||
1070 | <Linus> it will show pretty late if we show it after the ATA init | ||
1071 | <Bagder> we have the logo internally anyway | ||
1072 | <Bagder> the real one | ||
1073 | <Linus> so why does it load from disk | ||
1074 | <Bagder> in case you want a different one | ||
1075 | <Linus> IC | ||
1076 | <Linus> my lCD doesn't work | ||
1077 | <Bagder> not at all? | ||
1078 | <Linus> or rather, the rockbox code doesn't work | ||
1079 | <Linus> blank | ||
1080 | <Bagder> you didn't even get the ATA: -5 text before? | ||
1081 | <Linus> nope | ||
1082 | <Bagder> weird | ||
1083 | <Linus> sort of | ||
1084 | <Bagder> since the tetris has been proved working for some people | ||
1085 | <Linus> BTW the Recorder schematics is wrong regarding ATA address encoding | ||
1086 | <Bagder> it indicates differences | ||
1087 | <Linus> oh no..... | ||
1088 | <adiamas> if either of you has a binary of the recorder mod ill toss it on mine and see hat i get... | ||
1089 | <adiamas> i haven't built my cross compiler yet | ||
1090 | <Bagder> I don't think Linus has comitted code yet for me to build a working version | ||
1091 | <Linus> oh yes | ||
1092 | <Linus> just comment out the logo stuff | ||
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1094 | <Zagor> hey all | ||
1095 | <Bagder> we should fix the "logo stuff" properly | ||
1096 | <Bagder> hey Z | ||
1097 | <Bagder> Linus did it again | ||
1098 | <Zagor> did what? | ||
1099 | <Linus> Zagor: are you alive? | ||
1100 | <Linus> i fixed the ATA bug | ||
1101 | <Zagor> oooh, nice! | ||
1102 | <Zagor> what was it? | ||
1103 | <Linus> i have debug-enabled my recorder | ||
1104 | <Linus> the schematics were wrong | ||
1105 | <Linus> the address decoder wasn't changed as the schematics showed | ||
1106 | <Zagor> aha | ||
1107 | <Linus> so the status register address was wrong | ||
1108 | <Zagor> coolio, so now we can browse dirs on the recorder? | ||
1109 | <Linus> that took 20 seconds to find out... | ||
1110 | <Linus> well no. | ||
1111 | <Linus> my LCD shows nothing | ||
1112 | <Zagor> ?? | ||
1113 | <Zagor> empty? no display at all? | ||
1114 | <Linus> no | ||
1115 | <Zagor> hmm, just like what I get with the tetris mod | ||
1116 | <Zagor> have you tried uncommenting the logo display? | ||
1117 | * Linus is debugging in 200MPH | ||
1118 | <Bagder> Zagor: he had to | ||
1119 | <Linus> Zagor: that one is a good one | ||
1120 | <Linus> it tries to load a BMP from disk before the ATA init | ||
1121 | <Linus> even before the kernel init | ||
1122 | <Zagor> duh! | ||
1123 | <Linus> :-) | ||
1124 | <Linus> FREEEEEEZE | ||
1125 | <Bagder> we need to move that | ||
1126 | <Zagor> yeah, obviously :) | ||
1127 | <Zagor> interestingly, elinenbe said he got Tetris running | ||
1128 | <Bagder> can we all say "LCD differences" together? ;-/ | ||
1129 | <adiamas> Linus.. is your display jus shot.. or is it the code that won't work? | ||
1130 | <Bagder> the code | ||
1131 | <Linus> adiamas: the LCD works | ||
1132 | <Zagor> Bagder: yeah, but how come he survived the ATA cock-up? | ||
1133 | <adiamas> okay :) | ||
1134 | <Linus> maybe he tried it before the logo code added file-based logos? | ||
1135 | <Bagder> Zagor: didn't you comment out that stuff for the tetris mod? | ||
1136 | <Zagor> no | ||
1137 | <Linus> did he see a logo? | ||
1138 | <Zagor> i don't know | ||
1139 | <Zagor> we have to ask him | ||
1140 | <Bagder> well, we know people have see "ata: -4" and "ata: -5" | ||
1141 | <Bagder> seen | ||
1142 | <Zagor> yes | ||
1143 | <Linus> the LCD code works | ||
1144 | <Linus> it's just that the contrast is wrong | ||
1145 | <Zagor> bwaha! | ||
1146 | <Linus> so the display is very hard to see | ||
1147 | <Zagor> gdb rocks | ||
1148 | <Linus> very much | ||
1149 | <Zagor> so when are you fixing mine? :) | ||
1150 | * Bagder cheers, the bug of the week is soon history | ||
1151 | <Linus> the ATA bug *is* history | ||
1152 | <Bagder> yah, but I was referring to my own bug of the week ;-) | ||
1153 | <Linus> ah, that one... | ||
1154 | <Bagder> been hunting it for many days | ||
1155 | <Hadaka> Ooo mama, soon it's rockbox time for my archos as well | ||
1156 | <Bagder> Linus: this calls for a grand posting to the list, you know that don't you? ;-) | ||
1157 | <Zagor> Linus: will you commit an lcd change, too? so I can rerelease tetris :) | ||
1158 | <Bagder> we must move the BMP loading | ||
1159 | <Zagor> yes | ||
1160 | <Zagor> the question is, should we first display the rockbox logo and then replace it, or don't display anything until we have mounted the disk? the latter option means it'll take a while longer until anything appears | ||
1161 | <Bagder> use the internal | ||
1162 | <Bagder> imho | ||
1163 | <Zagor> yes, i'm leaning towards that too | ||
1164 | <Bagder> btw, I modified the auto-page to use UTC times and it is ready to get included on the site | ||
1165 | <Zagor> ah, will fix | ||
1166 | <Linus> I'm curious about the LCD contrast setting in the init | ||
1167 | <Linus> it gets totally dark on my LCD | ||
1168 | <Linus> but obviously hasn't on other LCD's | ||
1169 | <Linus> and if we follow the Solomon data sheets, the contrast setting is an iterative process | ||
1170 | <Zagor> totally dark? i get totally blank | ||
1171 | <Linus> we have to repeat the command until the status register says that the command is done | ||
1172 | <Linus> and we don't even have a status read function | ||
1173 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
1174 | <Bagder> so this works by pure coincidence for some ppl then | ||
1175 | <Linus> I changed the setting from 0x30 to 0x20 (which is the power on default) | ||
1176 | <Linus> then ir looked ok | ||
1177 | <Linus> the dir browser pops up, but the buttons don't work | ||
1178 | <Linus> did anyone actually play tetris on it? | ||
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1180 | <Linus> alan! | ||
1181 | <alkorr> hi | ||
1182 | <Linus> the ATA works on the recorder now | ||
1183 | <Bagder> Linus: yes, elenbee said he played | ||
1184 | <Zagor> Linus: elinenbe said he did | ||
1185 | <alkorr> it's weird | ||
1186 | <Linus> weird? | ||
1187 | <Zagor> he even complained about the lack of key repeat | ||
1188 | <alkorr> i see you you change 620020306 in 6200206 | ||
1189 | <Linus> yes | ||
1190 | <Linus> the schematics seem to be wrong | ||
1191 | <Zagor> brb | ||
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1193 | <alkorr> now it seems ATA works, anything working on Recorder ? | ||
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1195 | <Bagder> I wanna know that too ;-) | ||
1196 | <Zagor> buh. that's what I get for using windows machines :( | ||
1197 | <Bagder> Linus: can you browse dirs and stuff on the recorder now? | ||
1198 | <Linus> no. the buttons don't work | ||
1199 | <Bagder> ! | ||
1200 | <Zagor> i wonder what recorder model elinenbe is using | ||
1201 | <Bagder> yeah | ||
1202 | --- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch | ||
1203 | <alkorr> see you | ||
1204 | <Bagder> see ya lan | ||
1205 | <Bagder> alan | ||
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1207 | <Linus> has anyone changed the debounce algorithm lately? | ||
1208 | * Bagder hasn't | ||
1209 | <Bagder> check with cvs ;-) | ||
1210 | <Linus> it polls every 10th tick, that is every 100ms | ||
1211 | <Linus> then it requires that the button is pressed at least 200 polls | ||
1212 | <Linus> that is 20 seconds!!! | ||
1213 | <Linus> haw lame! | ||
1214 | <Zagor|lunch> uh, no linus. it requires 3 polls. | ||
1215 | --- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor | ||
1216 | <Zagor> oh, ah the recorder has special. sorry. | ||
1217 | <Zagor> that's left-over debounce that should just be removed | ||
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1219 | <zeffert> you are all disgusting child molesters | ||
1220 | <Bagder> we are? | ||
1221 | <zeffert> ya | ||
1222 | <Zagor> oh no! *worried look* | ||
1223 | --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder | ||
1224 | <zeffert> i wish you were dead! | ||
1225 | <Zagor> bye | ||
1226 | <zeffert> burn!!!!!! | ||
1227 | <Bagder> we are | ||
1228 | <zeffert> burn!!!!!!!!!! | ||
1229 | --- Bagder sets ban on *!*@*.vic.bigpond.net.au | ||
1230 | <-- Bagder has kicked zeffert from #rockbox (Bagder) | ||
1231 | <Zagor> that was fun! | ||
1232 | <Bagder> ban number 2 | ||
1233 | <Zagor> really? i missed the first | ||
1234 | <Bagder> getting busy ;-) | ||
1235 | <Bagder> you did? | ||
1236 | <Bagder> fun fellow you didn't stop talking spanish in all caps ;-) | ||
1237 | <Zagor> haha | ||
1238 | <Bagder> s/you/who | ||
1239 | --- Bagder gives channel operator status to Zagor | ||
1240 | --- Bagder gives channel operator status to Linus | ||
1241 | --> alkorr (alkorr@srs07v-8-64.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox | ||
1242 | <alkorr> re ! | ||
1243 | <alkorr> woauh three masters now ! :) | ||
1244 | --- Bagder gives channel operator status to alkorr | ||
1245 | <Bagder> :-) | ||
1246 | <alkorr> arf I'm the first displayed :)===) | ||
1247 | * Bagder goes to fetch coffee | ||
1248 | <Bagder> damnit, no one breaks the builds anymore ;-) | ||
1249 | <Zagor> i'm working on it, just give me a minute or two | ||
1250 | <Zagor> :) | ||
1251 | <Bagder> good! :-P | ||
1252 | <Zagor> build status is now included in the daily build page | ||
1253 | <Zagor> maybe we should make it narrower somehow. shorter column titles, perhaps | ||
1254 | <Bagder> any suggestions how? | ||
1255 | <Bagder> uh, the showlog.cgi doesn't exist ;-) | ||
1256 | <Zagor> oh, missed that one | ||
1257 | <Zagor> now | ||
1258 | <Bagder> goodie | ||
1259 | <Bagder> spell out that the date/time is UTC/GMT time | ||
1260 | <Zagor> well, which is it? ;) | ||
1261 | <Bagder> UTC is the name formerly known as GMT | ||
1262 | <Zagor> really? I thought they differed in DST handling | ||
1263 | <Bagder> but I guess most people know GMT better | ||
1264 | <Bagder> I don't think so | ||
1265 | <Bagder> btw, how come the order of the daily builds is so strange? | ||
1266 | <Zagor> oh, I need to sort them | ||
1267 | <Bagder> ah, hehe | ||
1268 | <Bagder> is that "my" index.html that shows up? | ||
1269 | <Zagor> yup | ||
1270 | <Bagder> goodie, so I can work on fixing the titles like that | ||
1271 | <Zagor> i'm doing a symbolic link, since SSI can't handle absolute paths or hostnames | ||
1272 | <Bagder> ok | ||
1273 | <Linus> Finally, lunchtime! | ||
1274 | <Bagder> late lunch today | ||
1275 | <Linus> indeed. long meetings | ||
1276 | <Zagor> hehe, linus is trapped in Meeting Hell | ||
1277 | <Bagder> poor guy | ||
1278 | <Linus> Zagor: if you only knew what we were discussing... :-) | ||
1279 | <Zagor> I have a nice poster here: "Don't Like Working? Prefer Talking About It Instead of Doing It? Schedule A Meeting!" | ||
1280 | <Zagor> "The Easy Alternative To Work" | ||
1281 | <Linus> Well, time for lunch! | ||
1282 | --- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch | ||
1283 | <Bagder> narrower look | ||
1284 | <Bagder> more cryptic titles | ||
1285 | <Zagor> yeah, i'll have to add some description | ||
1286 | <Zagor> how about Play, P-old, Rec along with Norm, Debg, Sim | ||
1287 | <Linus|lunch> The button debouncing code requires that the button is pressed for 20 seconds!!! :-) | ||
1288 | <Zagor> Linus|lunch: i just fixed it | ||
1289 | <Linus|lunch> good | ||
1290 | <Zagor> i.e. removed it | ||
1291 | <Bagder> I'll try that | ||
1292 | <Bagder> wider but makes more sensre | ||
1293 | <alkorr> MAS for recorder is still missing ? | ||
1294 | <Bagder> yes | ||
1295 | <Zagor> yes, linus is on the case I believe | ||
1296 | <Linus|lunch> i'm on it | ||
1297 | <Bagder> Linus is the MAS king | ||
1298 | * Bagder bows | ||
1299 | <Linus|lunch> yes, yes, yes. I *am* going to lunch | ||
1300 | <Linus|lunch> i'm waiting for the printer (MAS data sheet) | ||
1301 | <Zagor> go, already! | ||
1302 | <Bagder> now go so we can speak about you ;-) | ||
1303 | <alkorr> hehe | ||
1304 | <Zagor> Bagder: hmm, why are the columns so wide? i can't see why they are any wider than the text they contain. | ||
1305 | <Zagor> "play norm" for instance, is much wider than the title | ||
1306 | <Bagder> I don't know | ||
1307 | <Zagor> try adding "cellpadding=0" to the table tag | ||
1308 | <Bagder> yes | ||
1309 | <Bagder> that's it | ||
1310 | <Bagder> no | ||
1311 | <Zagor> ah, try adding <br> to the titles, to force line breaks. i think that's the thing | ||
1312 | <Hadaka> ew, how about using css and xhtml strict instead of all that? | ||
1313 | <Bagder> wow | ||
1314 | <Bagder> tiny boxes now | ||
1315 | <Bagder> Hadaka: in what way would that help us here and now? | ||
1316 | <Zagor> Hadaka: yeah but some things (like this) are implementation defined | ||
1317 | <Hadaka> well all those cellpadding=0 and br stuff usually can be handled a lot better by clean page design and the stylesheets | ||
1318 | <Zagor> Bagder: keep th for headers, IMO | ||
1319 | <Bagder> yes | ||
1320 | <Bagder> how many lines should I have maximum in the table? 20 fine? | ||
1321 | <Zagor> Hadaka: look at the page. it *is* clean. the fact that browsers maximise cell width even when they wrapped the contents is not defined in CSS nor XHTML | ||
1322 | <alkorr> which page, Zagor ? | ||
1323 | <Zagor> alkorr: the daily builds page | ||
1324 | <Bagder> at the bottom | ||
1325 | <alkorr> oh well all seems to be okay :) | ||
1326 | <Zagor> Bagder: you should be able to kill the cellpadding now, it shouldn't matter much | ||
1327 | <Bagder> in a second | ||
1328 | <Zagor> Hadaka: sorry to sound harsh. I do agree with you in general. :) | ||
1329 | <Hadaka> err, why not just have a stylesheet for the table - and say that the widht of the cell is say about 3em and height is about 1em - then they are all the same width and it's correct for the font | ||
1330 | <alkorr> maybe you could enlarge twice your table, Zagor ? | ||
1331 | <Zagor> Hadaka: because the content will not always be "OK", so then it will break. we want the dynamics too. | ||
1332 | <Zagor> Hadaka: or am I misunderstanding something? | ||
1333 | <Hadaka> why do you want the sizes of the cells changing? I'd guess it would be easier to read if all the widths were the same? | ||
1334 | <Zagor> Bagder: fix us an error, so we can see how that looks | ||
1335 | <Bagder> uh | ||
1336 | <Bagder> that's not that easy to fake in | ||
1337 | <Zagor> ok | ||
1338 | <Bagder> commit a bad file now | ||
1339 | <Bagder> it'll go break in... 7 minutes | ||
1340 | <alkorr> well if you enlarge the width of the table, you can use larger titles, you can or there is reason no to do so ? | ||
1341 | <Zagor> what are you printing, in that case? "Failure" or something else | ||
1342 | <Bagder> Zagor: yes | ||
1343 | <alkorr> FAILED | ||
1344 | <Hadaka> FAIL is what I usually see | ||
1345 | <alkorr> or KO :) | ||
1346 | <Bagder> "Failed" is the word I use | ||
1347 | <alkorr> in red flash | ||
1348 | <Bagder> atm | ||
1349 | <Zagor> alkorr: oooo, no thanks :) | ||
1350 | <Zagor> well i think it's ok now | ||
1351 | <Hadaka> Well I still don't see why the widths have to be dynamic - is it just me that would like to see an aligned and constant width table, instead of varying width for columns | ||
1352 | <Zagor> Is fixed width worth the cost of breaking the table when/if we add a new column or rename a title? | ||
1353 | <Hadaka> um, I don't get that - if the width of each column is like 5em, what's there to break? | ||
1354 | <Bagder> what is 'em' ? | ||
1355 | <Hadaka> in this case the standard width for a character in the current font and font size | ||
1356 | <Zagor> it breaks when we change columns to include "win32sim" and "x11sim", doesn't it? | ||
1357 | <Hadaka> well if the titles are too wide, then ofcourse the width of that column will expand | ||
1358 | <Zagor> so then we are back to dynamic sizing, gaining exactly... what? :) | ||
1359 | <Hadaka> no, we are back to dynamic sizing only if we get too wide titles - which is a problem in itself already - so then we either increase the width of columns to 6em (which should have been in the first case then) - or we just let it wrap the title some more | ||
1360 | <Zagor> ok, so it will work. I guess I just don't see the big advantage. | ||
1361 | <Hadaka> yeah well it doesn't really matter - and especially not worth it if you don't do all the pages that way | ||
1362 | <Zagor> well all the pages use CSS already | ||
1363 | <alkorr> color changes when "failed" ? | ||
1364 | <Zagor> yes, to red | ||
1365 | <Hadaka> well why do you have bgcolors in there if you use CSS? | ||
1366 | <Zagor> for those who don't support CSS | ||
1367 | <Bagder> should I set a class or something there? | ||
1368 | <Zagor> Bagder: you could, then we would be free to play with the look. <table class=buildstatus> for instance | ||
1369 | <Hadaka> yeah | ||
1370 | <Bagder> yes, and "buildok" and "buildfail" for the "boxes" ? | ||
1371 | <Hadaka> then you can do .buildstatus td { width: 4em; } for example | ||
1372 | <Zagor> Bagder: yup | ||
1373 | <Bagder> ok, coming up | ||
1374 | <alkorr> see you later | ||
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1376 | <Bagder> should I remove the bgcolor then? | ||
1377 | <Zagor> yes | ||
1378 | <Zagor> Hadaka: sorry, I thought you meant bgcolor for the page... | ||
1379 | <Bagder> there | ||
1380 | <Bagder> you need to make buildok green to make it look similar again | ||
1381 | <Zagor> fixing... | ||
1382 | <Bagder> I set a limit of 20 lines now | ||
1383 | <Zagor> there | ||
1384 | <Zagor> ok, i surrender. width is now 3em :) | ||
1385 | <Hadaka> :) | ||
1386 | <Hadaka> looks nice | ||
1387 | <Bagder> haha | ||
1388 | <Bagder> in fact it looks better | ||
1389 | <Zagor> traitor! ;) | ||
1390 | * Bagder gives Hadaka a pat on the shoulder | ||
1391 | <Hadaka> it should really be the decision of the user... but I would remove the underlining from the links in that build box | ||
1392 | <Zagor> nah, i don't like "invisible" links | ||
1393 | <Hadaka> nods | ||
1394 | <Zagor> Hadaka: can I set a background color that is something like "X percent lighter than the current background"? | ||
1395 | <Hadaka> not easily no | ||
1396 | <Zagor> without using absolute values, that is | ||
1397 | <Zagor> ok | ||
1398 | <Hadaka> you can put a semi-transparent png there though ;) | ||
1399 | <Zagor> ouch :) | ||
1400 | <Bagder> can that be done with the css? | ||
1401 | <Hadaka> yeah :) | ||
1402 | <Hadaka> nods | ||
1403 | <Bagder> woo | ||
1404 | <Hadaka> everything can have a background picture - and a transparent one at that | ||
1405 | <Hadaka> even pieces of text | ||
1406 | <Bagder> ok | ||
1407 | * Bagder is a css cluebie | ||
1408 | --- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus | ||
1409 | <Linus> the button polling is awfully non-responsive | ||
1410 | <Zagor> Linus: as in "does not work"? | ||
1411 | <Hadaka> well if you have mozilla, check out http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ | ||
1412 | <Linus> as in misses keypresses pretty often | ||
1413 | <Zagor> Linus: in normal use, or when you try to make it miss? ;) | ||
1414 | <Bagder> hehe, fun page | ||
1415 | <Linus> when i repeatedly predd DOWN to move the cursor in the dir browser | ||
1416 | <Linus> press | ||
1417 | <Linus> I'll shorten the poll interval to see if it helps | ||
1418 | <Zagor> remember to adjust the repeat values too | ||
1419 | <Linus> ok | ||
1420 | <Zagor> they should probably be calculated from the poll value | ||
1421 | <Linus> roger that | ||
1422 | <Hadaka> then select Edit -> Use style -> default page style or something | ||
1423 | <Hadaka> and see the difference | ||
1424 | <Bagder> that rocks | ||
1425 | * Zagor switches to Mozilla when somebody tells him how to map the keys like Opera has'em | ||
1426 | * Hadaka switches to Opera when opera renders stylesheets as well as Mozilla :) | ||
1427 | <Zagor> hehe | ||
1428 | <Bagder> Zagor: could we have the target mod-builds in a table with three column? | ||
1429 | <Bagder> might shorten the page a bit | ||
1430 | <Zagor> Bagder: sure | ||
1431 | <Linus> I would like a warning count for every build | ||
1432 | <Bagder> you mean visible in the table? | ||
1433 | <Hadaka> Bagder: did you notice from that CSS page btw, that when you scroll down, the semi-transparent box stays put? | ||
1434 | <Bagder> yeah | ||
1435 | <Linus> meybe color-coded in the table, and highlighted in the log | ||
1436 | <Linus> a red OK means "ok with warnings", or something | ||
1437 | <Bagder> the log hilight I've thought about adding, adding it to the table takes a little tweak | ||
1438 | <Linus> The LCD flickers a lot when scrolling the dir browser | ||
1439 | <Bagder> we could have the "OK" text replaced with a number of warnings, would that make sense? | ||
1440 | <Linus> and OK when 0 0warnings | ||
1441 | <Bagder> ah, good | ||
1442 | <Hadaka> well in any case it would need a legend telling what things mean | ||
1443 | <Bagder> true | ||
1444 | <Hadaka> but that's already way nice :) | ||
1445 | <Linus> faster button polling helped a lot for the responsiveness | ||
1446 | <Linus> but we need to optimize display updates | ||
1447 | <Bagder> its still pretty cool that it works this good without ever have been run on target before | ||
1448 | <Linus> yeah! | ||
1449 | <Bagder> one point to the simulator ;-) | ||
1450 | <Linus> yup | ||
1451 | <Hadaka> I can usually get button presses that are two or three sixtieths of a second - and down to one sixtieth if I try hard enough | ||
1452 | <Linus> it is fairly good at 20Hz today | ||
1453 | <Linus> but not perfect | ||
1454 | <Zagor> well 30Hz shouldn't be that much load anyway, right? | ||
1455 | <Linus> no | ||
1456 | <Hadaka> is performance a problem on that thing? what things take a lot of time? | ||
1457 | <Linus> it is polling | ||
1458 | <Linus> in an interrupt | ||
1459 | <Zagor> flipping the bits on the MP3 data is the most cpu intesive thing we are today today, I'd say | ||
1460 | <Zagor> but we won't have to do that on the recorder, I hope | ||
1461 | <Linus> probably not | ||
1462 | <Bagder> now watch the table | ||
1463 | <Linus> the button_tick IRQ didn't count the ticks properly | ||
1464 | <Zagor> Bagder: warning count? | ||
1465 | <Linus> a POLL_FREQUENCY of 2 made it poll ever 3 ticks | ||
1466 | <Bagder> yah | ||
1467 | <Bagder> 0 => OK | ||
1468 | <Bagder> Zagor: is the cgi a symlink to my one too? | ||
1469 | <Zagor> yep | ||
1470 | <Hadaka> nice :) | ||
1471 | <Bagder> ok, highlight of warnings coming up | ||
1472 | <Bagder> many warnings ;-) | ||
1473 | <Bagder> hm, do we wanna use css and stuff for the showlog.cgi too? | ||
1474 | <Zagor> nah, that's just unformatted text | ||
1475 | <Bagder> it won't be | ||
1476 | <Zagor> :) | ||
1477 | <Bagder> I'll do it html now | ||
1478 | <Zagor> if you make it html, then we should use css | ||
1479 | <Bagder> so tell me what kind of <head> to include to make it work nicely | ||
1480 | <Zagor> look at any other page | ||
1481 | <Zagor> they all have it | ||
1482 | <Bagder> ok | ||
1483 | <Bagder> check it out now | ||
1484 | <Bagder> press a link | ||
1485 | <Bagder> the warnings have "clasee=gccwarn" | ||
1486 | <Zagor> ooh, background :) | ||
1487 | <Bagder> class | ||
1488 | <Zagor> ok, making them red | ||
1489 | <Bagder> shall I have a class for the regular lines too? | ||
1490 | <Zagor> not unless you thing we should do something special with them | ||
1491 | <Bagder> nah, it would just make it possible for you to make compiler output to look different than regular text | ||
1492 | <Bagder> removed the long prefix from all paths in the output | ||
1493 | <Hadaka> you could put all the output inside a div in any case, so padding doesn't have to be put for the body element in general | ||
1494 | <Bagder> you mean just <div> all-output </div> ? | ||
1495 | <Hadaka> yup | ||
1496 | <Hadaka> and then closing the body and html :) | ||
1497 | <Bagder> oh | ||
1498 | <Hadaka> oh and maybe put a class for the div | ||
1499 | <Hadaka> so then we can say .compileroutput { padding: 10px; } or something | ||
1500 | <Zagor> <br class=fubar> doesn't seem to work. at least nothing much happens | ||
1501 | <Bagder> suggestion? | ||
1502 | <Zagor> i don | ||
1503 | <Bagder> <div> on those lines? | ||
1504 | <Zagor> 't know. Hadaka, shouldn't this work? | ||
1505 | <Linus> Zagor: the ' key is awfully close to ENTER, don't you think? | ||
1506 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
1507 | <Bagder> thick fingers | ||
1508 | <Bagder> :-) | ||
1509 | <Zagor> hehe, yes. plus this damn keyboard has a lot of silly extra keys on it. some windows blahblah | ||
1510 | <Linus> oh, here he goes again... | ||
1511 | <Linus> those keys are far from the ' key | ||
1512 | <Zagor> gotta go, guys. too sunny for me to hack more today :) | ||
1513 | <Zagor> yeah yeah, call me a wuss :) | ||
1514 | <Linus> that's ridiculous | ||
1515 | <Bagder> Zagor: <div> is in place | ||
1516 | <Linus> "laddar batterierna" | ||
1517 | <Zagor> hehe, not quite there yet | ||
1518 | <Zagor> working on it ;) | ||
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1520 | <Bagder> now why do I get an extra newline? | ||
1521 | <Hadaka> I can check that soon | ||
1522 | <Bagder> we should be working a bit on removing the warnings | ||
1523 | <Linus> yeah | ||
1524 | <Hadaka> hm, should gcc-output be in <pre>? | ||
1525 | <Bagder> there's a point in not doing that | ||
1526 | <Bagder> and that is that it wraps nicer | ||
1527 | <Hadaka> in any case - br should be between lines - not at the start, nor at the end | ||
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1531 | <jedix> hey guys | ||
1532 | <Linus> yo | ||
1533 | <jedix> how stuff? | ||
1534 | <Linus> well, we have the recorder ATA working | ||
1535 | <jedix> ^--is | ||
1536 | <jedix> thats sweet | ||
1537 | <Linus> i'm browsing files as we speak | ||
1538 | <jedix> nice | ||
1539 | <Linus> i am debugging my recorder with GDB | ||
1540 | <jedix> GDB? | ||
1541 | <Linus> over the serial port | ||
1542 | <Linus> Gnu Debugger | ||
1543 | <Hadaka> Woohoo | ||
1544 | <Hadaka> you guys are amazing | ||
1545 | <jedix> do you know how the device handles threads? | ||
1546 | <Linus> i assube that you mean the original archos firmware | ||
1547 | <Linus> assume | ||
1548 | <Linus> no, i don't think they have threads at all | ||
1549 | <jedix> ..yours doesn't? | ||
1550 | <Linus> we have threads | ||
1551 | <Linus> light-weight ones | ||
1552 | <Linus> the scheduler is somewhat primitive, with non-preemptive switching | ||
1553 | <jedix> well, I was trying to get the scrool working.. but right now its in a while(true) loop and I was thinking the best way to handle it would be to make a thread so you can tell it to sleep and such. | ||
1554 | <Hadaka> could we do preemptive with that hardware? | ||
1555 | <Linus> Hadaka: yes. it's a software issue | ||
1556 | <Hadaka> erm, but it's not a software issue if you can't get any interrupts in where to switch the stuff? | ||
1557 | <Hadaka> but I'll just take yes as an answer, since I don't know enuff myself :) thanks | ||
1558 | <Linus> if we didn't have interrupts, we wouldn't need to make it preemptive, true | ||
1559 | <Linus> we have a number of interrupt sources, the serial port, the DMA, the timers... | ||
1560 | <Hadaka> the timers interest me - what do you get from those? | ||
1561 | <Linus> there are a few hardware 16-bit timers that can give compare interrupts | ||
1562 | <Linus> and a very extensive capture functionality | ||
1563 | <Hadaka> mmh, nice | ||
1564 | <Hadaka> on the showlog stuff, you could put some regular padding for the whole body - and then a bit more padding on the div that has the gcc-output - I'd suppose it'd look nice then | ||
1565 | <jedix> damnit | ||
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1567 | <Linus> who made chartables.c? | ||
1568 | <jedix> Linus: does the simulator do threads? | ||
1569 | <Linus> no, i don't think so | ||
1570 | <jedix> so, I guess my work is useless | ||
1571 | <Tumm> För jag har tagit studenteeen, fy fan vad jag är bäst! | ||
1572 | <Tumm> oh sorry | ||
1573 | <Tumm> "Cause i've graduated, I'm so goddamn best" | ||
1574 | <Bagder> Linus: Gary made the chartables | ||
1575 | <Bagder> Hadaka: on the showlog stuff, how do you mean the div should be modified? | ||
1576 | <Hadaka> Bagder: well the div has nothing wrong in it - the first line should not have a br before it though - but the stylesheet should be modified to include padding | ||
1577 | <Hadaka> and the body should have margins - specified both in the stylesheet and on the actual element on the page | ||
1578 | <Linus> Bagder: do you know where they come from. Those array declarations are from hell! | ||
1579 | <Bagder> Linus: I know, Gary brought them, no one changed them | ||
1580 | <Linus> why declare a 1 byte array??? | ||
1581 | <jedix> do you guys want the code I put into lcd.c? its not operational, but it could be made so with little effort by someone that knows how the threads run or have a better overview of the project | ||
1582 | <Linus> i know, i know... the font code needs all fonts to be alike... | ||
1583 | <Linus> now we're down to 16 warnings :-) | ||
1584 | <Bagder> I just changed it to build every 20 minute ;-) | ||
1585 | <Linus> jedix: where is it now? | ||
1586 | <Bagder> nice, the extra newline disappeared from the output | ||
1587 | <jedix> Linus: on my hd | ||
1588 | <jedix> do you want it? | ||
1589 | <Linus> yeah. can you mail it? linus@haxx.se | ||
1590 | <jedix> sure | ||
1591 | <jedix> its off | ||
1592 | <Bagder> one by one they go those warnings | ||
1593 | <Linus> kill'em all!!!!!!! | ||
1594 | <Bagder> those ones in chartable are annoying | ||
1595 | <Linus> indeed. i don't want to change them without changing the generator script | ||
1596 | <Linus> i want the source fonts! | ||
1597 | <Bagder> yeah, me too | ||
1598 | <Bagder> it would also make it easier to make the rest of the iso8859-1 chars | ||
1599 | <Bagder> did you find out what the .ejz file is? | ||
1600 | <Linus> no | ||
1601 | <Linus> and it didn't happen again... | ||
1602 | <Bagder> wow | ||
1603 | <Linus> bah | ||
1604 | <jedix> Linus: did you get it? | ||
1605 | <Linus> yup | ||
1606 | <Linus> i'll look into it ASAP | ||
1607 | <jedix> cool, just making sure you got it | ||
1608 | <jedix> anything else I can do? | ||
1609 | <Bagder> I changed the warnings counter to be more accurate | ||
1610 | <Bagder> lowered the amounts | ||
1611 | <Linus> ? | ||
1612 | <Bagder> I only count number of lines with warnings now | ||
1613 | <Bagder> so multiple warnings on the same line is only one | ||
1614 | <Linus> that's cheating | ||
1615 | <Bagder> no | ||
1616 | <Bagder> the description is often multiple line | ||
1617 | <Bagder> check the threads.c:41 warning | ||
1618 | <Bagder> jedix: it is pretty much up to you I guess | ||
1619 | <Linus> But check the mpeg.c:278 warning | ||
1620 | <Linus> that's two different ones | ||
1621 | <Bagder> yes, but the second is just an effect of the first | ||
1622 | <Linus> but can you be sure | ||
1623 | <Bagder> so I think this is closer to reality | ||
1624 | <Bagder> I know | ||
1625 | <jedix> Bagder: I don;t really have a well enough overview of the project to decide what needs to be done, and can be.. | ||
1626 | <Linus> Bagder: grep -v "(near" | ||
1627 | <Bagder> well, maybe that's what you can help with! get a grip and present it to the people | ||
1628 | <Bagder> Linus: good point | ||
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1630 | <Linus> jedix: and while you're trying to get a grip, point out what's badly documented | ||
1631 | <Linus> hi elinenbe | ||
1632 | <jedix> k | ||
1633 | <elinenbe> hey there | ||
1634 | <elinenbe> anyone want to write my database crash recovery routine? | ||
1635 | <Bagder> me me me! | ||
1636 | <Bagder> :-) | ||
1637 | * Bagder can't even spell databsae | ||
1638 | <elinenbe> well, it needs to be able to recover from a crash, and recover if it crashes while it is recovering :) | ||
1639 | <Bagder> sounds very fun.... not .-) | ||
1640 | <Bagder> Linus: now then, recalculated again ;-) | ||
1641 | <Linus> I just just killed the open() warning | ||
1642 | <Bagder> the big question is, will we reach "OK" ? | ||
1643 | <Linus> Bagder: how to auto-eval in emacs? | ||
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1645 | <Linus> hi jas_williams | ||
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1647 | <Bagder> auto-eval ? | ||
1648 | <Linus> bye jas_williams | ||
1649 | <Linus> you know, those emacs comments in the bottom of some files | ||
1650 | <Bagder> ah, right | ||
1651 | <Bagder> (setq enable-local-eval t) | ||
1652 | <Bagder> hey, those 2 final ones should be possible to kill too | ||
1653 | <Linus> what os that 'type' parameter supposed to do? | ||
1654 | <Linus> is | ||
1655 | <Bagder> I don't know, I thought it should be an index | ||
1656 | <Linus> is the settings code used yet? | ||
1657 | <Bagder> I don't think so | ||
1658 | <Linus> oh. i looked in it. i guess it's not used. :-) | ||
1659 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
1660 | <Bagder> you should mail the list about you getting the ATA and gdb on recorder working | ||
1661 | <Linus> ok | ||
1662 | <Bagder> it is just so cool | ||
1663 | <Bagder> hey | ||
1664 | <Bagder> I should make a link to the CVS from the file name in the compiler output | ||
1665 | <Bagder> at least for the warnings | ||
1666 | <Bagder> hm, or can really? | ||
1667 | <Bagder> can I | ||
1668 | * Bagder decides it is a bit too tricky | ||
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1670 | <Linus> Has anyone tried the playlists yet? | ||
1671 | <Bagder> not to my knowledge | ||
1672 | <Linus> How does it work? Load a M3U file? | ||
1673 | <Bagder> I'll work on them some more soonish | ||
1674 | <Bagder> yes | ||
1675 | <Bagder> make a .m3u file | ||
1676 | <Bagder> browse there, play it | ||
1677 | <Linus> how does such a file look like? | ||
1678 | <Bagder> plain file names | ||
1679 | <Bagder> use full path names | ||
1680 | <Linus> ok. i'll try it... | ||
1681 | <Bagder> LF or CRLF separated | ||
1682 | <Bagder> currently it does no shuffle or anything but plays from track 0 and onwards | ||
1683 | <Linus> ok | ||
1684 | <Bagder> at least that's the intension ;-) | ||
1685 | <Bagder> gotta go | ||
1686 | <Bagder> see ya | ||
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1690 | <Linus> gotta go now. cu guys! | ||
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1700 | <elinenbe> hey there! | ||
1701 | <elinenbe> I still think rockbox should be called... | ||
1702 | <elinenbe> "Supa' Pang!" | ||
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1704 | <datazone> why not "Frink Cheep Cheep" | ||
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1709 | <huz> hello | ||
1710 | <huz> since i've put rockbox i can't connect my archo to my pc | ||
1711 | <huz> someone have had this problem ? | ||
1712 | <huz> ok,i haven't time yet, but i'll come back, because how we say in france : | ||
1713 | <huz> je suis dans la merde ! | ||
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1716 | <huz> re | ||
1717 | <huz> i'm under windows now, and the problem is the same | ||
1718 | <huz> please i _really_ need help | ||
1719 | <huz> youuuhouuu i think i've a big problem ! can you give me a way to resolv it please youhou | ||
1720 | <huz> \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ | ||
1721 | <huz> ok i've found ! we must start archos connected to pc now ... maybe a note in the documentation will be great, don't you think ? | ||
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1734 | <ironi> aloha | ||
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1736 | <g003y2> anyone compiling the 1.0 firmware with cygwin/win2k? | ||
1737 | <ironi> i was about to, but i guess i needed a good tutorial | ||
1738 | <ironi> (saying that the one on the page is confusing" | ||
1739 | <g003y2> well I think I'm close now | ||
1740 | <ironi> qand needs to be updated | ||
1741 | <ironi> well | ||
1742 | * ironi is gone, zzz [l/on p/on] | ||
1743 | <g003y2> I got everything compiled fine, but it seems like I'm missing something on my include path | ||
1744 | <ironi> k | ||
1745 | <ironi> and you got it from the tutorial? | ||
1746 | <g003y2> yeah | ||
1747 | <g003y2> I followed it exactly except I don't have a "linus" home dir :D | ||
1748 | <g003y2> I got the tools for sh1 compiles in place. | ||
1749 | <g003y2> it is now just a matter of getting the whole process to recognize /usr/include for the standard c libs | ||
1750 | <ironi> i see | ||
1751 | <ironi> wel i think a new package could be nice | ||
1752 | <g003y2> I know i'm just being dense about it :D | ||
1753 | <ironi> weher eyou can just unpack the latest source and unpack it to a certain folder and tun a batch file to complie the wqhole thing | ||
1754 | <g003y2> yeah a batch file for the GNU-SH tool kit would've been nice. | ||
1755 | <ironi> well of i go | ||
1756 | <g003y2> alright cya | ||
1757 | <ironi> 'nite | ||
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1763 | <adam> hey | ||
1764 | <adam> http://remix.kwed.org/ == cool | ||
1765 | <adam> oh well | ||
1766 | <adam> beer > my conciousness | ||
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