From 216e50b3b66b8c8f15f4e06a6c9e535cb4b216c6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Robert Hak Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:07:19 +0000 Subject: updating irc logs git-svn-id: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk@996 a1c6a512-1295-4272-9138-f99709370657 --- www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log | 1772 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 1772 insertions(+) create mode 100644 www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log (limited to 'www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log') diff --git a/www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log b/www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..19dcd3a452 --- /dev/null +++ b/www/irc/rockbox-20020609.log @@ -0,0 +1,1772 @@ +**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 6 03:13:16 2002 + +--> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.204) has joined #rockbox +--- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ +--- Topic for #rockbox set by adi|home at Tue Jun 4 04:41:56 + howdy adiamas + howdy... + just had a major power outage here... + lasted near 2 hrs + all year we're find... + world cup comes on a POOF + damnit + hehe + must be a conspiracy somehow ;-) + damn right + i blame the canadians + I miss a tetris for recorder link on the web site + that lazy web master B-] + Linus: Will you take on the mission to write the decoder code for the recorder build? +* Bagder mutters when reading source code written on 160 col lines... + hehehe + who did that? + at work + silly windows users + hehehe + sorry ;) + i made a deal with a buddy at work... + he went to 80 cols + i went to 8 space tabs + oh, what a sacrifice + heheh + I just yell at them ;-) + and go my way + we still bitch at each other ;)- + hehe + 8 space tabs?! +* Bagder wonders why he has no friends left ;-) + Now that's insane + looks like somebody dropped a bomb in the source code! + source code should not have tabs, only space + They should have tabs +* Bagder casts a spell on dwihno, you windows... eh, windows... person + what's wrong with tabs? + people set different tab sizes + of course + they are 8 when you print + :set ts=8 + it make outputs look crap + depends on what printing stuff you use + yes, if you're two people you can set requirements on that + in a development team with many people, you can't + :) + believe me, I seen it, done it, used it ;-) +* Bagder now has 11 years in the "business" + set ts=4 + whoa + how old are you? + 40? + 31 + scary + indeed + I will NEVER get old! :) + What kind of education do you possess? + the hard way, the school of life, spare time assembler and work ;-) + like Zagor and Linus, I have no formal education in this area + we're all home brewed + Are you pleased with your salary? +--- Linus is now known as Linus|very + is anyone ever? ;-) + I was +--- Linus|very is now known as Linus|busy + I am + Although a bitch coder with ZERO skills had more than me, and that bugged me. + that's not the case for me + coderess + although currently the market isn't exactly splendid + not really + it means less money when the customers renegotiates the rates + MONEY FOR ALL(TM) +<-- Linus|busy has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.") +<-- datazone has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- webmind has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- adi|work has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Hadaka has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- elinenbe has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PsycoXul has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- trillback has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Tumm has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- dwihno has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Bagder has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- miah has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox +--> trillback (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP299.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox +--> datazone ([sm5Ow6WK8@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox +--> webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox +--> adi|work (~adiamas@pool-151-204-140-140.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined #rockbox +--> Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox +--> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-43-243.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox +--> miah (~miah@pihkal.com) has joined #rockbox +--> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox +--> dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) has joined #rockbox +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + hey ironi + damn + hi there + *yawn* +* dwihno just realized that writing sql queries sometimes is a pain in the /dev/arse + dwihno: why is that + I want to return multiple counts + in 1 query + +----+--------+----+-----------+ + | id | name | id | projectid | + +----+--------+----+-----------+ + | 2 | Apan | 1 | 39 | + | 2 | Apan | 2 | 40 | + | 2 | Apan | 3 | 41 | + | 3 | Assar | 1 | 39 | + +----+--------+----+-----------+ + I want to return the projectid count for every id [left one] + 1. i don't know if postgres lets you + 2. if you could, you prob do it in a sub query + ie: select count(id) from table where id in (select unique id from table) + or some such + but i dont' think you can do it.. + i know in oracle we have to do a seperate count for each + you cnat do sub querys in postgres + ? + me is using mysql + ok + anyway + i dont unbderstand what you want + i dont gett the table + I have a table linking two tables together + to make multiple selection of objects available + ok sure + the link table has the userid and projectid + you have a like a projcet table , a member table, and a project_member table? + and for every user, I want to count the number of projects matching the user id, in a single query + saying which member is involved in which project + yup + but is the table you pasted the result you want, right? + nope + just some example stuff :) + eh,.... + caue your project_user tablejust has project id and member id, right + yup + ok + well that is impossible with out a subquery + and in mysql you cant do them + darn! + well maybe you could do a join + I wanted to draw a cute progress bar :) + it was a while since i used sql + 1 query per user would be a pain in the arse + yeah + but who gives a shit ;) + but... + cant you just do a loop? + 1 query to get the ID's and then 1 query per userid + well eya + yea + loop trough the id's , getting the result for each + or can't you do your progress bar then? + Hehe + The progress bar makes the stuff so CUTE! :D +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + Why did I ever start doing SQL stuff?! +* dwihno dumps the idea of progress bar ;) + dwihno: are you doing php with it ? + ironi: jees + Pee Höö Pee + but dwihno + cant you do select user.name, count(projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=poject.userid + or am i thinking wrong + ooops + select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid + dwihno: how about that? + dwihno! wake up! +* Bagder offers ironi the microphone and turns up the volume of the loadspeakers + thank you + *harkel* + ironi: hellö hellö + dwihno: so? + What who how? + read the last query i wrote + *read* + cant you do it like that? + hey, that might work + im kinda embarrased i didnt come up with it immediately + Don't be! :) + You gave me the DELL tip! :D + ehm + i think you will have to group by + select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid GROUP BY user.username + otherwise you weill get count for all rows on all rows + =) + ok i should be group by user.name if i used user.name inthe slect clause + but u know what i mean + Yeah + YOU GAVE ME THE DELL TIP! :D + so did this work? + I'm fiddling + Battery charged + I love my archos + I never realized I couldn't live without it before I actually got it! + my just shows charging... + dwihno: you tried tetris on it yet? + i dont use mine as much as i should + Bagder: No tetris for the recorder yet ;/ + there is + wait + There is? +* Bagder scans for the URL + http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/tetris.ajz +--> jb1081 (~jb1081@lime.ircam.fr) has joined #rockbox + it doesn't spin down the HD though + hey, it worked + Bagder: how come? + the ATA code should do that + ... and it doesn't work on the recorder yet :-) + hehe + Then why are you IRC:ing?! :) + hm + I don't know ;-) + dwihno: you're welcome + after 10 credits of sql i should have given you the answer immediately + = + ) +* ironi is gone, out in da sun [l/on p/on] + ironi: THE SUN WILL GET YOU KILLED! Get back here! :) + i have my ray-bans +* Bagder gets valgrind and ddives in + valgrind? + "Valgrind, an open-source memory debugger for x86-GNU/Linux" + valgrind is nice + I will invent something too! + I know, a new X11 toolkit! ;D + valgrind is really nice +<-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox +--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + hey, have you guys looked into 'newlib'? + you mean the removal of it? + hm, I'm quite out of things - removal? + What's newlib btw? + nm, I'd better read the mailinglist archives before I ask stupid questions + Newlib is a C library intended for use on embedded systems. + I thought you meant if we had gotten rid of our newlib dependencies yet + we use newlib today + why do you want to get rid of it? + but only for a few functions + Hadaka: Ah, okay + because it is of no use to us other that for the header files + header files are evil! :) + :-) + hm ok, I don't know enough to comment + #include + That's all you need when doing embedded stuff! :) + We used newlib in the beginning when we didn't have much implemented + but now we have all that newlib has to offer internally + that gives us a smaller footprint +* dwihno counted project time today + and you don't need to compile newlib when you build the cross compiler + <-- is gonna afford a kickass DELL box! :D + dwihno: a laptop? + same interface as newlib or your own? + yup :) + Hadaka: same. it's ISO standard + with geforce go card + ok + So I can play cstrike + dwihno: have an URL? + http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_2650.htm + dwihno: phew! that's a BEAST! + a bit heavy, though + The tip of the day: The bread "gräddad längtan" is yum with salad and stuff :) + and i would like better resolution that 1024X768 + Linus: As long as it works ;D + I like 1024 + So I'm gonna dual-boot with linux + Linus: You should get some lunch! + I've been very happy since I uninstalled windows my laptops + Hadaka: I need Windows for Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator etc. :/ + I usually get several months uptime for my laptop + yum! + Now that's what I call a good lunch! +<-- Bagder has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.") +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox +* Bagder made his first customized valgrind supresses +* dwihno is back from the quake session +--> havardk (havardk@soraas.student.nlh.no) has joined #rockbox + havard kvålen? + emm, yes? + Cool :) + try icelandic + dwihno : who are you, and why do you know my name? :) +* Bagder awaits the answer ;-) + havardk: tried rockbox? + no, I haven't + I don't have an Archos, although I've been thinking about getting one + hehe, ok + well I haven't *really* tried it either as I have a recorder and we don't do well on that yet + I've only seen it on Björn's player +* webmind waits untill is as equal or more features and les bugs then original firmware + it has + that might take a while .-) +* dwihno waits until it show other than ata: -5 on the recorder ;) + badi have patience + er + Bagder, + damn this keyboard + I'm a bit dissapointed no one tried my playlist code on target yet + I am about to. + oh + I better hide then ;-) + but i have *shrug* work to do... +* dwihno starts the drumroll + WORK?! aaaah + My hands are getting tired... Test the godforsaken playlist code :) + endurance you need + a world record you will beat, my young apprentice + Linus: Get back to work ;) + yes. master + Damn, it's hot outside! + Obey me, you will + :-) + rockbox is gaining rank quickly on sourceforge activity +<-- trillback has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) +--> edx (~not@pD9560764.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + hi edx + yo +--- edx is now known as edx|class + :) + irony.. you got the css file of the internet site? + i think there's the defualt font set for linux... take like arial / sans ms for that.. + hmm bagder.. any progress regarding ata? + gotta go + no progress yet + I'm beginning my Recorder serial mod now...keep your fingers crossed +* Bagder crosses everything he has + Strange...the Line In is already patched on my Recorder + uh! + two long wires across the entire CPU board + and connected to two capacitors + I'll just remove them and connect them to the serial port... + ...scalpel, nurse... +* dwihno hands Linus the crowbar + ehh + Linus: patched? + Linus: In what way? +--> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox + hey + hey ho + whats up? + we're busy crossing fingers for Linus + he has his fingers in his Archos as we speak ;-) + cool + I dunno how to handle this scrolling thing without this being OO or threads +* dwihno crosses his toes too + See? :) + ooo + O + hmm + :) + we have threads + see the problem is right now, it just does scrolling.. all the time, and nothing else + its in a while(true) loop... :/ + yes, but it could be in its own thread + perhaps + yes, that would do it + there's a minor drawback with that: we don't have threads in the simulator (yet) ;-/ + an other small problem is that it scrolls well past the screen(takes a while for it to come back) + how do you mean? + it scrolls to the left until you can;t see it.. but then it keeps going + so make it not do that ;-) + yeah, working on that :) + also, the text warps around the line on me.. + where does that happen? + that's a flaw in the simulator + oh, ok + I'll have a look at it right now + that's lcd_puts() in a player, right? + yeah + brb, going to get breakfast + ok, I'll commit a fix + hm, bad fix + better + hehe + so, if I update my cvs.. will my changes be removed? + no + they'll be merged + k + i get a few errors + when updating? + building + show me + /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `peek_next_track': + /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:213: undefined reference to `playlist_next' + /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `dirbrowse': + /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:307: undefined reference to `play_list' + /home/liam/archos/build/play.o: In function `playtune': + /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/play.c:88: undefined reference to `mpeg_play' +<-- edx|class has quit ("be home soon :)") + did you update the uisimulator tree too? + I updated everything + hm, do 'make clean' and 'make' again to be sure + same thing + you don't get this? + nope, and neither do http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-auto/ + cvs update -dP in the root dir.. + where you checked out "." ? + yeah + yeah + sorry, wrong window + cvs update: move away uisimulator/x11/xmu.h; it is in the way + C uisimulator/x11/xmu.h + is that ok? + no + I mean, sure you can remove it, and it'll come back when you update + but it shouldn't say that in the first place + hm, are you running make in the uisimulator/x11 dir? + I did once.. but I just deleted that dir + the uisimulator/x11 ? + I got it now + i deleted the uisimulator dir + and it works + it works without that dir? + no I updated and got it again + ah + ok + fine + the text still wraps to the next line though + but I fixed my scroll problem :) + wraps one letter or completely? + completely + cool stuff :D +--- dwihno is now known as dw|weekend + SWEDEN SHALL WIN! :D + I'm sure its thursday + Me too + I'm taking the day off + 1) watch the game + 2) go for a weekend trip + nice + jedix: regarding the wrapping, you either check out why in the lcd_puts() or I fix that when I code that shows this happen + k +--> dfg (~prv@209.166.235.91) has joined #rockbox + I think I know why it happens + it's a define issue + after I print a line of text I try to clear the rectangle.. but it doesn;t work + running mkfs.vfat on my archos right now + would I need to specify the logical sector size by hand? + I don't know + well I didn't, anyway + though I did put -F 32 just in case + yes, you need that + if I recall correctly + I wonder how long this will take + ooh, finished + hmm! where does this thing save the play mode? + after mkfs.vfat, it still is in random play + it saved in an unused sector + +is + unused sector outside the filesystem? + yes + one of the first ones + what is LCD_WIDTH measured in? is it the amount of chars that can be displayed on the screen? + ok so if I stumbled around with fdisk, I could get it erased or something? + jedix: that is pixels, and is only available for bitmap LCDs + Bagder: how do I get the lenght on the other screen? + Hadaka: I'm not really sure, I'm mostly repeating things I've learned from the others right now + I dunno + maybe there's a define, maybe not ;-) + yikes, cache writes are scary + Linus: what's the status? + weird - I get 10Mb/sec transfer rates and then total lockups when it actually writes the stuff to the disk + uh :-( + ooh I love preemptiple kernel patch + load at 4 :) +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB709.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + hi + rehi + Hadaka = Linus? + hey edx + oh... nm + heh.. your function is working now? + nno, I'm not linus :) + I am Linus +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) + i have connected the serial port on the recorder + but the Tx isn't quite working + i might have to dust off the oscilloscope + that's for debugging? + yes + might that help with the ata problem? + of course + edx: sorta working + ah ok + *teatime* :) +--- Linus is now known as Linus|verybusy + linux: to me it seems the memory area for the command is wrong (but i dont know much about that h/w business) +--- edx is now known as edx|tea + edx|tea: not according to the schematics + Guys! Do we know if the clock frequency on the recorder is 12MHz as well? + I don't + The schematics say 11.05 + oh + that means i have to recalculate the baud generator... + yeah + no wonder it doesn't work ;-) + is the cpu in these running at full speed at all times - or is there some halt mechanism? + I believe there is some kind of sleep mode, but then we probably can't be playing mp3 + but while playing, the thing is running at full cpu? + yes +--- edx|tea is now known as edx + hmm the frequenzy doesnt have anything to do with ata, does it? +* edx wants ata to work :) + but the frequency needs to be known for the serial port to work + without serial port, no gdb + yea.. serial port.. + without gdb, no ata debugging + but ata .. hehe +<-- elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") + 6293838 100% 56.69kB/s 0:01:47 + 968704 100% 12.75MB/s 0:00:00 + I wonder if all this fluctuation is caused by the preemptible kernel patch or the uhci stuff or the fact that I have debug output still on in usb-storage + that good or bad? + well I dunno - I can tell when the transfer is finished that what was the total speed + it's a tad bit annoying atleast not to see the real transfer speed since you only see files going into the cache - and then going out of the cache afterwards +<-- Linus|verybusy (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox +--> Coug (~bandaarp@198.187.233.138) has joined #rockbox + hey all + hello? + hi + hi + ah finally + are any of you developers in the rockbox project? + some + is there any ambition to add aac support to the firmware? + aac? + what's that? + advanced audio something + doubt it + low bitrate - high quality + cos mp3 decoding is done trhough hardware + through + ah + decoding chip + dang + do you know, are there any dos drivers for the archos? + so i think mp3/mpeg will be it + doubt it +--> satino (~satino@0x50c4991f.adsl-fixed.tele.dk) has joined #rockbox + is there a way to create recorder drivers for dos? + if u can get usb to work in dos + how can you do that? + get drivers + doubt they exist though + lol + you mean just straight usb drivers? + well + or archos recorder drivers? + u need usb support no ? + of course + afaik archos uses usb.. so + u need usb support in dos + true + and support for the usb harddrive controller + isd200 + ok + but you can use usb keyboards in dos + so there has to be at least some level of usb support + dunno bout that + can my archos jukebox work under linux? + if you get linux drivers + is it easy to set up? + webmind - my whole goal here is to turn the archos into a bootable harddrive + satino, sure.. linux support is the current kernel + Coug, ah.. i think u need bios support then + Coug, dunno if there are any bios's that support booting from usb hd + i was thinking about a boot disk (floppy) that allows you to then boot to the archos + Coug, ah.. then try a linux boot disk :) + that has drivers :) + for the archos though? + to get the archos workign in linux, you need a kernel that supports SCSI, and USB ISD2000, you wont see the ISD2000 config option unless scsi is enabled though + webmind, well, do I need to compile a new kernel? + satino, if u dont have support build in.. probably yes + Coug, if u have your bootdisk with a kernel with acrhos support u just access it as a scsi harddrive.. and thus boot from it + webmind - how will that work, because i want to boot windows xp + could i close linux and then still boot? + webmind - could you lead me through the general process (starting with the floppy) for a bootable archos? + Coug, u wont be able to run xp from it + not booting + that is why i was thinking DOS + wont work + xp doesnt run from dos either + u need to load the support for the archos at boot from a different medium + could i then make a bootable cd? + with linux u can put the kernel with the added support on a floppy disk + can't do that with xp + not with winxp + techinically, why not? + cos winxp needs write access + why couldnt it then use the c:\ drive or the archos? + and it's not reilly possible to determin the files that need to be writeable and put those on a ram disk + Coug, it could.. but not for booting + and it needs the system files for booting + if the cd just enabled the usb and the driver support for the archos, could you allow the comp to see the archos for booting? + like use the cd as a driver for the archos? + kind of like Microsoft did with Windows 95 and the CD + build in a "mini OS" that allows a program to run off of the CD + Coug, yes.. but u cant do that with winxp + or archos in this case? + can you follow my line of reasoning for a sec? + put in a floppy, or cd, and boot to dos + load the archos drivers for dos that allow read/write access + then start the boot process from the archos + where would the files need to be written to during boot? + Coug, xp doesnt support booting from dos... + ah, how does it work? + xp boots on its own + starting from the NT system windows stopts using dos as underlying platform + ok + xp is followup from windows 200 which is windows nt + so i could do that with 98, but not xp? + windowsm 2000 + Coug, u might be able to do it with win98 yes + if u can get dos drivers + which u would probably have to make yourself + that i may be able to do + is there a way to trick xp into thinking that dos is not running? + hehe + not that simple + or a way to initiate the boot process from dos? + dunno.. but doubt it + i figured it wouldnt be, but it was worth a shot + u could run xp within linux though.. but then u would lose a lot of andvantages + like support for 3d cards and stuff + ya + vmware? + uhuh + thereby.. remeber.. archos only can get 1mb/s + i dont have a liscense for it + which is quite slow + ya + no kidding + so.... the trick is tricking the bios into thinking that the archos is a harddrive..... + that doesnt sound easy + u need usb harddrive support in the bios then + .. + and i haven't seen that before + scsi, zip, ls120.. but no usb hd's + then.... is there a way to start the xp boot process from a disk and load the archos driver very early, then refer it to the archos? + coug.. they are loaded very early.. + i once had scandisc run over my archos at boot time + hmmm...... so i could put some of the xp files on a cd then refer the other files to the x:\ or whatever drive? + maybe? + u could put some of the files on the archos yes + proably the stuff like programs + but XP still needs to find them + but windows xp wont all fit on a CD will it? + dont think so + thereby i doubt it will boot from cd + btw, why do u want to boot xp from archos ? + i mean.. it will run terribly slow + i am attending a college that wont allow me to use my archos because of security restrictions + but they allow the download of programs + lovely + so i wanted to download things and put them on the archos + so why boot xp from it ? + and i LOVE xp + well it's not helping u here + and i HATE 98 + i know +--> nicknackpattywac (~first@nat-198-95-226-227.netapp.com) has joined #rockbox + i can tell u linux would most likely work + and my friend is a Mac fan *shudder* and he brags that he can put his firewire drive in and boot to it + and if u want to keep full compatibility of the filesystem u could even put your filesystem in a file + u'd just put the kernel on a floppy + how would you boot that? + u'd have look into some docs + i dont know much at all about the boot process of OSes + ok + i'm no expert on the field + but i know what can be done + i dont know what *can* be done, but i am a programmer, so, if it can be thought of, it *can* be done + easiest way would probably be making a different partition on the arcohs + in one way or another + archos + hey.... thats a good idea, but can you do that and still have windows support? + Coug, well for windows solution it sometimes CAN be done.. but not withouth braking laws + do they not allow you to tweak certain things? + edx, do u know if the archos has problems if there are unsupported partitions on the drive ? + Coug, some things.. not most of the things.. + Coug, i think u need detailed info on xp if u want to tweak the boot process + do you know where i could get that? + please dont say Microsoft KB + i dont think there is a legal way + unless MS is willing to provide the ingo + info + which i doubt + i dont see why they wouldnt disclose how to boot xp from a cd...... + but it is Microsoft + indeed.. + they disclose i lot they dont need to + i=a + but i'd say linux should do the trick + ya + but i dont know how to do crap with linux + windows support of the archos wont be the problem i think + but i dont know if the device itself as problems with unsupoorted partitions + Coug, figure it out then :) + lol + i try + but dont know any c or c++ so it gets difficult + if u want to spent time in it.. it's not hard to learn + and alot of my stuff is unsupported by my flavor of linux + u'r a delphi coder? + VB + i have done a little delphi + sorry.. i'd hardly call that a programmer + and i have a good friend that is a delphi coder + i do some java too + delphi is something + no... not jscript + java is indeed coding + but sorry.. visual basic is not + i have worked with basic too + why isnt vb coding? + still + too easy? + cos it's not + it;s just a toolkit + doesn't have any real power + i like to think that i do alot of my own stuff in vb and dont always use pre programmed stuff + vb is preprogrammed + infact, i wrote a program that calculates factorial numbers + u can do that scripting... + and i had to write the multiplication procedure from the ground up + using integers instead of other types + the numbers got too big + the largest number i have calculated is 15000!.... + it was 56,140 digits long + .. + so..... i did have to do some programming there + but otherwise, you a right + vb is just a toolkit + a = are +* webmind prfers perl or c + prefers + ya + i would love to learn c or c++ + learn it then + not that hard + lot's of books about it + i am taking a class next year in school over c++ + i'll probably wait until then + and dont use vc++ or c# or anything + lol + why not vc++? + cos it's to dependant + oh + ok + i'd advice to first build general C/C++ knowledge + instead of just learning to code some win apps + will do + of course + that way u can choose for what platform u want to code.. or even code for all platforms + ya + which will make you far more flexible.. and as a bonus more interesting for the job market :) + true + so..... do you think that booting xp from cd/archos is a waste of time? or even feasable? + its a waste of time + Coug, i dont think it's actually possible.. and if it is.. a waste of time + ah + ok + especially since if it will run.. it will run as slow as hell + how could i boot linux then? + and have archos support? + install linux + get a linux boot disk with archos support + build kernel with archos support + and you're set + use your archos as root device + done + miah - i cant install anything to the harddrive of the computer + why? + its not my computer + miah, school machine + ah + buy a computer? + Coug, fix it on your won machine + they're what $200 now? + own + if you can afford a archos, you can certainly afford a computer + nah nah, its not that, i dont have high speed internet at home + Coug, install linux then on your archos + and i cant hook my archos at school + (security) + webmind - ok + Coug, it's doable.. but it is some work... + but way more doable then with xp + will mandrake 8.1 work with the archos easily? + ok + Coug, i'd advice debian + Coug, takes less + ok + where can i get that and how big is the dl? + and is there built-in archos support? + u can have a minimal graphical installation for under 300mb + one thing though is that i want X and i would like KDE but KDE isnt nessecary + Coug, dunno if the archos support is on the installdisk.. but otherwise u need a custom installdisk + Coug, i think u want something light... since it's a damn slow device.. so i wouldn't go further then a light gnome installation + how about network config? + easy? + Coug, but windowmaker, blackbox or icewm would be more doable i think + Coug, u can use dhcp + asuming the network has that + if it matters, it is a novell network + err um, how does one boot from an usb connected archos device? + Hadaka, bootdisk + floppy + but doesnt require authentication, proved using the mac boot drive + boot = bootable + bootdisk with the kernel and stuff? + ya + Hadaka, uhuh + hrm, nasty + Hadaka, just the kernel and maybe lilo + easy as pie + why need lilo? + cant i just set it to boot to the archos no matter what? + Coug, could help with defining rootdevice.. not sure though + the only time i would use the disk is when the archos is being used + ok + grub and a kernel would be good enough I guess + that makes sense + Coug, don't know detail;s about making bootdisks.. but i think u should be able to tell the kernel that archos is rootdevice + ok + but what about the drivers? + you need scsi support, usb support (correct uhci/ohci support) and usb-storage support compiled into the kernel + Coug, only real problem would be that i dont know how the archos reacts on unsupported partitions + will the kernel automatically recognize the archos? + ah, that is the thing + yes..... + then your root device would just be /dev/sda1 - or /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 with devfs :) + lets say that i partitioned my archos with linux included, if it didnt work, would there be any way to get it back? + but if you are using grub (or even lilo) as the boot loader - you can tell the name of the root device while booting if that isn't correct (a machine has other scsi drives= + yes + the usb connection always works + how? + regardless + loads from the flash-rom firmware, gives direct access to the disk - then you can reformat it normally again if it doesn't work + would windows recognize the archos as a regular archos drive then, and i would just repartition and format? + well I don't know what windows does with drives like that - but a windows fdisk or similar should be able to repartition it back the way it was + but as long as there is a FAT partition first in the drive, I'm guessing that it will work just fine + ok + webmind - i found a 36 meg debian install + how does that work? + that's the netinstall image + meaning.....? + itll download files later... + it's able to install the kernel and the base system - and everything else is downloaded from the net + after you chose packages. + ...actually the images on that disk are able to install the kernel and the base system from the net as well + would i need to download anything from the net to get it to work? + depends on what you wanna do :) + well yes - you just get the base system with that - it doesn't have a lot of anything + does it have a web browser? +--- edx is now known as edx|eatz + don't think so + nor X + dang + no.. not even graphic user interface + it's just a base image + the bare bones that will let the system boot + and install more packages + dang + what's so dang about it? + it's the best way to install - everything else requires you to download more + but i dont have fast internet at home + 26,400 kbps + :/ + ya + well.... + well then you would probably want the full iso images + i gotta get going now, thanks for all the help + cu + i should be back on later todat + today* +<-- Coug has quit () + .. + anyone around? +--- edx|eatz is now known as edx + i am + cool + do you know about threads with this device? + ouhm... not much + oh, ok. my code works ok, but it really needs to be in a thread + hm... create_thread is the function + that way it can be told to sleep.. + int create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size); + how are they handled? + hmm dont know to tell the truth :) + ah well + what else besides scrolling text needs to be done then? + hmm dont know either lol + do you want to see the scrolling text? + ata for recorder needs to be working + why no :) + *why not + lol + ie. i want to see it + ..how about something i can work on..? + k + is it in cvs? + I don't think I can dcc it.. + mail it. + i don't think I can check things in + edx@codeforce.d2g.com + mail the source.. ill compile for the simulator then + k, its off + ok + tree.c is only edited so that my function is used + where do you come from btw... + ? + what do you mean + what country + i am German + canada + ah.. cool + i'm at "work" right now.. + (just got your mail) + government for ya.. + what do you thing + hmm get compiler errors... /fixing at the moment + what are they? + like playlist_next undefined.. :/ + uisw32 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _usleep referenced in function _lcd_textscroll + where is usleep ;) + got it + that should be ok + oh well.. not really.. :( + ? + is that some linux function? + maybe + you could try sleep(1) + usleep(80000); + ugh.. + how many msecs are that? + .8 sec + when should it be scrolling? + ... + did you replace the other file too? + in apps/ tree.c? + thats the only file that calls it right now + yea.. when is it called? + and it will run forever.. so don't overwrite + its only called if you have a recorder I think + a player.. you mean? + do you get BROWSE ~~~ + it is not defined for the recorder lol + instead of Browse + get it to be called and it will scroll + edx: what are you working on? + win32 simulator + hmm somehow the cvs is fucked up.. + like stuff wont compile anymore + ok.. compile for recorder, right? + yeah + lcd_textscroll(0,0,0, "[BROWSE ~~~~browse browse window size]"); + uhm + c:\Programming\CVS Checkout\RockBox\apps\tree.c(135): warning C4013: 'lcd_textscroll' undefined; assuming extern returning int + ah.. its outside the simulator define + .. it is defined + question: does the archos mind if i have multiple partitions on it ? + hmmm + good question + try! + jedix.. got it to work finally + it is some kind of strange: + the lcd_putsxy function causes it to break the line if text gets longer than it would fit to the display + do you experience the same? + yes + ok + but it still scrolls + yup. + nice. + well, sorta + it doesn't work because it needs to be in a thread + what did you change to get it to work? + yea.. anyways scrolling works + hmmm + you need your own puts function actually.. + that is without automatic linebreaks.. + or you cut off the string after a few chars so it needs no line break + could Iwrite it based on putsxy? + .. yea certainly.. + /* We make the simulator truncate the string if it reaches the right edge, + as otherwise it'll wrap. The real target doesn't wrap. * + where is that from? + lcd.c + .. found it + strange.. + that's crap + simulator doesnt wrap either + i don't know what that means + hmm like the simulator cuts off the string (but it doesnt) + i think thats for the player.. + ahh + yea thats the player code + theres another function for the recurder somewhere + hmm i gotta go... + later. +<-- edx has quit () +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + hello + http://webon.prodat.no/wsp/aasentunet/webon.wsp?func=list&table=CONTENT&func_id=20020606&template=content + have you seent hat? + that + what is it? + oh yeah + that was /.ed + /.ed? + slashdotted + oh ok +<-- jedix has quit (Remote closed the connection) +<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--> prv_ (~prv@209.166.235.91) has joined #rockbox +<-- dfg has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +--> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox +--> trillback (~trillian@sdn-ar-002ncraleP028.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox +<-- prv_ has quit ("Client Exiting") +<-- PiotR has quit (Remote closed the connection) +--> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox +<-- nicknackpattywac has quit () +<-- satino has quit ("Client Exiting") +* Bagder appears +* adiamas faints +--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + morning Linus + morn + 0x09000ade in ?? () + (gdb) + NINJA! + *rockers* + so it was 11 something MHz? + yep + and i had to wire it correctly...strange :-) +* Linus gets some coffee +--- Bagder is now known as Bagder|busy + My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code: + it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized + lol + The Recorder ATA is now WORKING!!! +--- Bagder|busy is now known as Bagder + you rock hard Linus + i am a hard rocker, you know... :-) + lots of long hair ;-) + :-) + what do we do about the logo? + uh? + what about it? + My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code: + it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized + ah + well, either move that code or just comment it out + it will show pretty late if we show it after the ATA init + we have the logo internally anyway + the real one + so why does it load from disk + in case you want a different one + IC + my lCD doesn't work + not at all? + or rather, the rockbox code doesn't work + blank + you didn't even get the ATA: -5 text before? + nope + weird + sort of + since the tetris has been proved working for some people + BTW the Recorder schematics is wrong regarding ATA address encoding + it indicates differences + oh no..... + if either of you has a binary of the recorder mod ill toss it on mine and see hat i get... + i haven't built my cross compiler yet + I don't think Linus has comitted code yet for me to build a working version + oh yes + just comment out the logo stuff +--> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + hey all + we should fix the "logo stuff" properly + hey Z + Linus did it again + did what? + Zagor: are you alive? + i fixed the ATA bug + oooh, nice! + what was it? + i have debug-enabled my recorder + the schematics were wrong + the address decoder wasn't changed as the schematics showed + aha + so the status register address was wrong + coolio, so now we can browse dirs on the recorder? + that took 20 seconds to find out... + well no. + my LCD shows nothing + ?? + empty? no display at all? + no + hmm, just like what I get with the tetris mod + have you tried uncommenting the logo display? +* Linus is debugging in 200MPH + Zagor: he had to + Zagor: that one is a good one + it tries to load a BMP from disk before the ATA init + even before the kernel init + duh! + :-) + FREEEEEEZE + we need to move that + yeah, obviously :) + interestingly, elinenbe said he got Tetris running + can we all say "LCD differences" together? ;-/ + Linus.. is your display jus shot.. or is it the code that won't work? + the code + adiamas: the LCD works + Bagder: yeah, but how come he survived the ATA cock-up? + okay :) + maybe he tried it before the logo code added file-based logos? + Zagor: didn't you comment out that stuff for the tetris mod? + no + did he see a logo? + i don't know + we have to ask him + well, we know people have see "ata: -4" and "ata: -5" + seen + yes + the LCD code works + it's just that the contrast is wrong + bwaha! + so the display is very hard to see + gdb rocks + very much + so when are you fixing mine? :) +* Bagder cheers, the bug of the week is soon history + the ATA bug *is* history + yah, but I was referring to my own bug of the week ;-) + ah, that one... + been hunting it for many days + Ooo mama, soon it's rockbox time for my archos as well + Linus: this calls for a grand posting to the list, you know that don't you? ;-) + Linus: will you commit an lcd change, too? so I can rerelease tetris :) + we must move the BMP loading + yes + the question is, should we first display the rockbox logo and then replace it, or don't display anything until we have mounted the disk? the latter option means it'll take a while longer until anything appears + use the internal + imho + yes, i'm leaning towards that too + btw, I modified the auto-page to use UTC times and it is ready to get included on the site + ah, will fix + I'm curious about the LCD contrast setting in the init + it gets totally dark on my LCD + but obviously hasn't on other LCD's + and if we follow the Solomon data sheets, the contrast setting is an iterative process + totally dark? i get totally blank + we have to repeat the command until the status register says that the command is done + and we don't even have a status read function + hehe + so this works by pure coincidence for some ppl then + I changed the setting from 0x30 to 0x20 (which is the power on default) + then ir looked ok + the dir browser pops up, but the buttons don't work + did anyone actually play tetris on it? +--> alkorr (alkorr@srs07v-8-64.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox + alan! + hi + the ATA works on the recorder now + Linus: yes, elenbee said he played + Linus: elinenbe said he did + it's weird + weird? + he even complained about the lack of key repeat + i see you you change 620020306 in 6200206 + yes + the schematics seem to be wrong + brb +<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") + now it seems ATA works, anything working on Recorder ? +--> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + I wanna know that too ;-) + buh. that's what I get for using windows machines :( + Linus: can you browse dirs and stuff on the recorder now? + no. the buttons don't work + ! + i wonder what recorder model elinenbe is using + yeah +--- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch + see you + see ya lan + alan +<-- alkorr has quit () + has anyone changed the debounce algorithm lately? +* Bagder hasn't + check with cvs ;-) + it polls every 10th tick, that is every 100ms + then it requires that the button is pressed at least 200 polls + that is 20 seconds!!! + haw lame! + uh, no linus. it requires 3 polls. +--- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor + oh, ah the recorder has special. sorry. + that's left-over debounce that should just be removed +--> zeffert (swolen@CPE-61-9-136-136.vic.bigpond.net.au) has joined #rockbox + you are all disgusting child molesters + we are? + ya + oh no! *worried look* +--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder + i wish you were dead! + bye + burn!!!!!! + we are + burn!!!!!!!!!! +--- Bagder sets ban on *!*@*.vic.bigpond.net.au +<-- Bagder has kicked zeffert from #rockbox (Bagder) + that was fun! + ban number 2 + really? i missed the first + getting busy ;-) + you did? + fun fellow you didn't stop talking spanish in all caps ;-) + haha + s/you/who +--- Bagder gives channel operator status to Zagor +--- Bagder gives channel operator status to Linus +--> alkorr (alkorr@srs07v-8-64.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox + re ! + woauh three masters now ! :) +--- Bagder gives channel operator status to alkorr + :-) + arf I'm the first displayed :)===) +* Bagder goes to fetch coffee + damnit, no one breaks the builds anymore ;-) + i'm working on it, just give me a minute or two + :) + good! :-P + build status is now included in the daily build page + maybe we should make it narrower somehow. shorter column titles, perhaps + any suggestions how? + uh, the showlog.cgi doesn't exist ;-) + oh, missed that one + now + goodie + spell out that the date/time is UTC/GMT time + well, which is it? ;) + UTC is the name formerly known as GMT + really? I thought they differed in DST handling + but I guess most people know GMT better + I don't think so + btw, how come the order of the daily builds is so strange? + oh, I need to sort them + ah, hehe + is that "my" index.html that shows up? + yup + goodie, so I can work on fixing the titles like that + i'm doing a symbolic link, since SSI can't handle absolute paths or hostnames + ok + Finally, lunchtime! + late lunch today + indeed. long meetings + hehe, linus is trapped in Meeting Hell + poor guy + Zagor: if you only knew what we were discussing... :-) + I have a nice poster here: "Don't Like Working? Prefer Talking About It Instead of Doing It? Schedule A Meeting!" + "The Easy Alternative To Work" + Well, time for lunch! +--- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch + narrower look + more cryptic titles + yeah, i'll have to add some description + how about Play, P-old, Rec along with Norm, Debg, Sim + The button debouncing code requires that the button is pressed for 20 seconds!!! :-) + Linus|lunch: i just fixed it + good + i.e. removed it + I'll try that + wider but makes more sensre + MAS for recorder is still missing ? + yes + yes, linus is on the case I believe + i'm on it + Linus is the MAS king +* Bagder bows + yes, yes, yes. I *am* going to lunch + i'm waiting for the printer (MAS data sheet) + go, already! + now go so we can speak about you ;-) + hehe + Bagder: hmm, why are the columns so wide? i can't see why they are any wider than the text they contain. + "play norm" for instance, is much wider than the title + I don't know + try adding "cellpadding=0" to the table tag + yes + that's it + no + ah, try adding
to the titles, to force line breaks. i think that's the thing + ew, how about using css and xhtml strict instead of all that? + wow + tiny boxes now + Hadaka: in what way would that help us here and now? + Hadaka: yeah but some things (like this) are implementation defined + well all those cellpadding=0 and br stuff usually can be handled a lot better by clean page design and the stylesheets + Bagder: keep th for headers, IMO + yes + how many lines should I have maximum in the table? 20 fine? + Hadaka: look at the page. it *is* clean. the fact that browsers maximise cell width even when they wrapped the contents is not defined in CSS nor XHTML + which page, Zagor ? + alkorr: the daily builds page + at the bottom + oh well all seems to be okay :) + Bagder: you should be able to kill the cellpadding now, it shouldn't matter much + in a second + Hadaka: sorry to sound harsh. I do agree with you in general. :) + err, why not just have a stylesheet for the table - and say that the widht of the cell is say about 3em and height is about 1em - then they are all the same width and it's correct for the font + maybe you could enlarge twice your table, Zagor ? + Hadaka: because the content will not always be "OK", so then it will break. we want the dynamics too. + Hadaka: or am I misunderstanding something? + why do you want the sizes of the cells changing? I'd guess it would be easier to read if all the widths were the same? + Bagder: fix us an error, so we can see how that looks + uh + that's not that easy to fake in + ok + commit a bad file now + it'll go break in... 7 minutes + well if you enlarge the width of the table, you can use larger titles, you can or there is reason no to do so ? + what are you printing, in that case? "Failure" or something else + Zagor: yes + FAILED + FAIL is what I usually see + or KO :) + "Failed" is the word I use + in red flash + atm + alkorr: oooo, no thanks :) + well i think it's ok now + Well I still don't see why the widths have to be dynamic - is it just me that would like to see an aligned and constant width table, instead of varying width for columns + Is fixed width worth the cost of breaking the table when/if we add a new column or rename a title? + um, I don't get that - if the width of each column is like 5em, what's there to break? + what is 'em' ? + in this case the standard width for a character in the current font and font size + it breaks when we change columns to include "win32sim" and "x11sim", doesn't it? + well if the titles are too wide, then ofcourse the width of that column will expand + so then we are back to dynamic sizing, gaining exactly... what? :) + no, we are back to dynamic sizing only if we get too wide titles - which is a problem in itself already - so then we either increase the width of columns to 6em (which should have been in the first case then) - or we just let it wrap the title some more + ok, so it will work. I guess I just don't see the big advantage. + yeah well it doesn't really matter - and especially not worth it if you don't do all the pages that way + well all the pages use CSS already + color changes when "failed" ? + yes, to red + well why do you have bgcolors in there if you use CSS? + for those who don't support CSS + should I set a class or something there? + Bagder: you could, then we would be free to play with the look. for instance + yeah + yes, and "buildok" and "buildfail" for the "boxes" ? + then you can do .buildstatus td { width: 4em; } for example + Bagder: yup + ok, coming up + see you later +<-- alkorr has quit () + should I remove the bgcolor then? + yes + Hadaka: sorry, I thought you meant bgcolor for the page... + there + you need to make buildok green to make it look similar again + fixing... + I set a limit of 20 lines now + there + ok, i surrender. width is now 3em :) + :) + looks nice + haha + in fact it looks better + traitor! ;) +* Bagder gives Hadaka a pat on the shoulder + it should really be the decision of the user... but I would remove the underlining from the links in that build box + nah, i don't like "invisible" links + nods + Hadaka: can I set a background color that is something like "X percent lighter than the current background"? + not easily no + without using absolute values, that is + ok + you can put a semi-transparent png there though ;) + ouch :) + can that be done with the css? + yeah :) + nods + woo + everything can have a background picture - and a transparent one at that + even pieces of text + ok +* Bagder is a css cluebie +--- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus + the button polling is awfully non-responsive + Linus: as in "does not work"? + well if you have mozilla, check out http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ + as in misses keypresses pretty often + Linus: in normal use, or when you try to make it miss? ;) + hehe, fun page + when i repeatedly predd DOWN to move the cursor in the dir browser + press + I'll shorten the poll interval to see if it helps + remember to adjust the repeat values too + ok + they should probably be calculated from the poll value + roger that + then select Edit -> Use style -> default page style or something + and see the difference + that rocks +* Zagor switches to Mozilla when somebody tells him how to map the keys like Opera has'em +* Hadaka switches to Opera when opera renders stylesheets as well as Mozilla :) + hehe + Zagor: could we have the target mod-builds in a table with three column? + might shorten the page a bit + Bagder: sure + I would like a warning count for every build + you mean visible in the table? + Bagder: did you notice from that CSS page btw, that when you scroll down, the semi-transparent box stays put? + yeah + meybe color-coded in the table, and highlighted in the log + a red OK means "ok with warnings", or something + the log hilight I've thought about adding, adding it to the table takes a little tweak + The LCD flickers a lot when scrolling the dir browser + we could have the "OK" text replaced with a number of warnings, would that make sense? + and OK when 0 0warnings + ah, good + well in any case it would need a legend telling what things mean + true + but that's already way nice :) + faster button polling helped a lot for the responsiveness + but we need to optimize display updates + its still pretty cool that it works this good without ever have been run on target before + yeah! + one point to the simulator ;-) + yup + I can usually get button presses that are two or three sixtieths of a second - and down to one sixtieth if I try hard enough + it is fairly good at 20Hz today + but not perfect + well 30Hz shouldn't be that much load anyway, right? + no + is performance a problem on that thing? what things take a lot of time? + it is polling + in an interrupt + flipping the bits on the MP3 data is the most cpu intesive thing we are today today, I'd say + but we won't have to do that on the recorder, I hope + probably not + now watch the table + the button_tick IRQ didn't count the ticks properly + Bagder: warning count? + a POLL_FREQUENCY of 2 made it poll ever 3 ticks + yah + 0 => OK + Zagor: is the cgi a symlink to my one too? + yep + nice :) + ok, highlight of warnings coming up + many warnings ;-) + hm, do we wanna use css and stuff for the showlog.cgi too? + nah, that's just unformatted text + it won't be + :) + I'll do it html now + if you make it html, then we should use css + so tell me what kind of to include to make it work nicely + look at any other page + they all have it + ok + check it out now + press a link + the warnings have "clasee=gccwarn" + ooh, background :) + class + ok, making them red + shall I have a class for the regular lines too? + not unless you thing we should do something special with them + nah, it would just make it possible for you to make compiler output to look different than regular text + removed the long prefix from all paths in the output + you could put all the output inside a div in any case, so padding doesn't have to be put for the body element in general + you mean just
all-output
? + yup + and then closing the body and html :) + oh + oh and maybe put a class for the div + so then we can say .compileroutput { padding: 10px; } or something +
doesn't seem to work. at least nothing much happens + suggestion? + i don +
on those lines? + 't know. Hadaka, shouldn't this work? + Zagor: the ' key is awfully close to ENTER, don't you think? + hehe + thick fingers + :-) + hehe, yes. plus this damn keyboard has a lot of silly extra keys on it. some windows blahblah + oh, here he goes again... + those keys are far from the ' key + gotta go, guys. too sunny for me to hack more today :) + yeah yeah, call me a wuss :) + that's ridiculous + Zagor:
is in place + "laddar batterierna" + hehe, not quite there yet + working on it ;) +<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") + now why do I get an extra newline? + I can check that soon + we should be working a bit on removing the warnings + yeah + hm, should gcc-output be in 
?
+	there's a point in not doing that
+	and that is that it wraps nicer
+	in any case - br should be between lines - not at the start, nor at the end
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+	hey guys
+	yo
+	how stuff?
+	well, we have the recorder ATA working
+	   ^--is
+	thats sweet
+	i'm browsing files as we speak
+	nice
+	i am debugging my recorder with GDB
+	GDB?
+	over the serial port
+	Gnu Debugger
+	Woohoo
+	you guys are amazing
+	do you know how the device handles threads?
+	i assube that you mean the original archos firmware
+	assume
+	no, i don't think they have threads at all
+	..yours doesn't?
+	we have threads
+	light-weight ones
+	the scheduler is somewhat primitive, with non-preemptive switching
+	well, I was trying to get the scrool working.. but right now its in a while(true) loop and I was thinking the best way to handle it would be to make a thread so you can tell it to sleep and such.
+	could we do preemptive with that hardware?
+	Hadaka: yes. it's a software issue
+	erm, but it's not a software issue if you can't get any interrupts in where to switch the stuff?
+	but I'll just take yes as an answer, since I don't know enuff myself :) thanks
+	if we didn't have interrupts, we wouldn't need to make it preemptive, true
+	we have a number of interrupt sources, the serial port, the DMA, the timers...
+	the timers interest me - what do you get from those?
+	there are a few hardware 16-bit timers that can give compare interrupts
+	and a very extensive capture functionality
+	mmh, nice
+	on the showlog stuff, you could put some regular padding for the whole body - and then a bit more padding on the div that has the gcc-output - I'd suppose it'd look nice then
+	damnit
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+	who made chartables.c?
+	Linus: does the simulator do threads?
+	no, i don't think so
+	so, I guess my work is useless
+	För jag har tagit studenteeen, fy fan vad jag är bäst!
+	oh sorry
+	"Cause i've graduated, I'm so goddamn best"
+	Linus: Gary made the chartables
+	Hadaka: on the showlog stuff, how do you mean the div should be modified?
+	Bagder: well the div has nothing wrong in it - the first line should not have a br before it though - but the stylesheet should be modified to include padding
+	and the body should have margins - specified both in the stylesheet and on the actual element on the page
+	Bagder: do you know where they come from. Those array declarations are from hell!
+	Linus: I know, Gary brought them, no one changed them
+	why declare a 1 byte array???
+	do you guys want the code I put into lcd.c? its not operational, but it could be made so with little effort by someone that knows how the threads run or have a better overview of the project
+	i know, i know... the font code needs all fonts to be alike...
+	now we're down to 16 warnings :-)
+	I just changed it to build every 20 minute ;-)
+	jedix: where is it now?
+	nice, the extra newline disappeared from the output
+	Linus: on my hd
+	do you want it?
+	yeah. can you mail it? linus@haxx.se
+	sure
+	its off
+	one by one they go those warnings
+	kill'em all!!!!!!!
+	those ones in chartable are annoying
+	indeed. i don't want to change them without changing the generator script
+	i want the source fonts!
+	yeah, me too
+	it would also make it easier to make the rest of the iso8859-1 chars
+	did you find out what the .ejz file is?
+	no
+	and it didn't happen again...
+	wow
+	bah
+	Linus: did you get it?
+	yup
+	i'll look into it ASAP
+	cool, just making sure you got it
+	anything else I can do?
+	I changed the warnings counter to be more accurate
+	lowered the amounts
+	?
+	I only count number of lines with warnings now
+	so multiple warnings on the same line is only one
+	that's cheating
+	no
+	the description is often multiple line
+	check the threads.c:41 warning
+	jedix: it is pretty much up to you I guess
+	But check the mpeg.c:278 warning
+	that's two different ones
+	yes, but the second is just an effect of the first
+	but can you be sure
+	so I think this is closer to reality
+	I know
+	Bagder: I don;t really have a well enough overview of the project to decide what needs to be done, and can be..
+	Bagder: grep -v "(near"
+	well, maybe that's what you can help with! get a grip and present it to the people
+	Linus: good point
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+	jedix: and while you're trying to get a grip, point out what's badly documented
+	hi elinenbe
+	k
+	hey there
+	anyone want to write my database crash recovery routine?
+	me me me!
+	:-)
+*	Bagder can't even spell databsae
+	well, it needs to be able to recover from a crash, and recover if it crashes while it is recovering :)
+	sounds very fun.... not .-)
+	Linus: now then, recalculated again ;-)
+	I just just killed the open() warning
+	the big question is, will we reach "OK" ?
+	Bagder: how to auto-eval in emacs?
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+	hi jas_williams
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+	auto-eval ?
+	bye jas_williams
+	you know, those emacs comments in the bottom of some files
+	ah, right
+	(setq enable-local-eval t)
+	hey, those 2 final ones should be possible to kill too
+	what os that 'type' parameter supposed to do?
+	is
+	I don't know, I thought it should be an index
+	is the settings code used yet?
+	I don't think so
+	oh. i looked in it. i guess it's not used. :-)
+	hehe
+	you should mail the list about you getting the ATA and gdb on recorder working
+	ok
+	it is just so cool
+	hey
+	I should make a link to the CVS from the file name in the compiler output
+	at least for the warnings
+	hm, or can really?
+	can I
+*	Bagder decides it is a bit too tricky
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+	Has anyone tried the playlists yet?
+	not to my knowledge
+	How does it work? Load a M3U file?
+	I'll work on them some more soonish
+	yes
+	make a .m3u file
+	browse there, play it
+	how does such a file look like?
+	plain file names
+	use full path names
+	ok. i'll try it...
+	LF or CRLF separated
+	currently it does no shuffle or anything but plays from track 0 and onwards
+	ok
+	at least that's the intension ;-)
+	gotta go
+	see ya
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+	gotta go now. cu guys!
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+	hey there!
+	I still think rockbox should be called...
+	"Supa' Pang!"
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+	why not "Frink Cheep Cheep"
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+	hello
+	since i've put rockbox i can't connect my archo to my pc
+	someone have had this problem ? 
+	ok,i haven't time yet, but i'll come back, because how we say in france : 
+	je suis dans la merde ! 
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+	re
+	i'm under windows now, and the problem is the same
+	please i _really_ need help
+	youuuhouuu i think i've a big problem ! can you give me a way to resolv it please youhou 
+	\0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_
+	ok i've found ! we must start archos connected to pc now ... maybe a note in the documentation will be great, don't you think ? 
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+	aloha
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+	anyone compiling the 1.0 firmware with cygwin/win2k?
+	i was about to, but i guess i needed a good tutorial
+	(saying that the one on the page is confusing"
+	well I think I'm close now
+	qand needs to be updated
+	well
+*	ironi is gone, zzz [l/on p/on]
+	I got everything compiled fine, but it seems like I'm missing something on my include path 
+	k
+	and you got it from the tutorial?
+	yeah
+	I followed it exactly except I don't have a "linus" home dir :D
+	I got the tools for sh1 compiles in place.
+	it is now just a matter of getting the whole process to recognize /usr/include for the standard c libs
+	i see
+	wel i think a new package could be nice
+	I know i'm just being dense about it :D
+	weher eyou can just unpack the latest source and unpack it to a certain folder and tun a batch file to complie the wqhole thing
+	yeah a batch file for the GNU-SH tool kit would've been nice.
+	well of i go
+	alright cya
+	'nite
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+	hey
+	http://remix.kwed.org/ == cool
+	oh well
+	beer > my conciousness
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