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+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 13 04:36:02 2002
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+-->     stile (~adiamas@216.194.26.64) has joined #rockbox
+---     Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+---     Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20
+<stile> after much thought and decision making.. ive decided.. ppl in general.. suck :)
+<Bagder>        you didn't already know? ;-)
+<--     adi|home has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
+<stile> i just dind't know they sucked so bad
+---     You are now known as adi|home
+<Bagder>        "just one more time, for the sake of sanity... tell me why, explain the gravity"
+*       Bagder sings along
+*       g003y wonders what song bagder is singing, and how is co-worker's feel about his voice
+<Bagder>        I play so loud in my headphones I can't hear them anyway ;-)
+<g003y> hahahahaha
+<Bagder>        and the song is an Assemblage 23 one
+*       Bagder doesn't expect anyone to know it
+<g003y> 4 on the floor techno?
+<Bagder>        I wouldn't call it techno, but rather dark and hard synth/industrial
+<g003y> ahhh... thats different.  I'm talking the shit you hear in clubs that sounds like one big freaking record the dj never changes :D
+<Bagder>        ah, nah, I'm not into that kind
+<g003y> thats good :D
+<g003y> is there a key combo with the current firmware build that lets you get back to the currently playing song display?
+<Bagder>        I dunno
+<Bagder>        heck, I hardly know how to use it at all ;-)
+<g003y> hmmm.. I don't see one in the code so I'll assume no.
+<g003y> :D
+<Bagder>        I want my rockbox
+<dwihno>        :D
+<dwihno>        I want rockbox for recorder! :D
+<dwihno>        But I'm patient
+<dwihno>        So I'll just wait
+<dwihno>        And contribute to the project in every way I may :)
+<Bagder>        the day there's sound from the MAS3587, I'll run Rockbox non-stop
+<dwihno>        MAS3587? The chip in R20?
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<dwihno>        mkay
+<g003y> ahhh... I'm running my own personal build of rockbox right now :D
+<Bagder>        that's the spirit!
+<dwihno>        Yeah, playlist parsing, LCD flickering and a couple of other things and I'll use it too
+<Bagder>        it ain't cool if you didn't build it yourself ;-)
+<g003y> I saw some cvs comments about playlist parsing support
+<g003y> so I suspect that is nearing completion
+<g003y> or useable 
+<Bagder>        the code is already there actually
+<g003y> ahh good deal
+<Bagder>        just not shuffle
+<g003y> fair enough
+<Bagder>        it "should" work now
+<g003y> I haven't loaded any yet
+<dwihno>        Bagder: any limitations? I mean, does it parse m3u's with #-style comments?
+<g003y> been awhile since I've used playlists to be honest
+<Bagder>        me neither, I have a recorder ;-)
+<Bagder>        dwihno: no comments, no
+<Bagder>        do regular m3us have them?
+<g003y> those are bastard m3us that nullsoft made the switch too.
+<Bagder>        well, ignoring lines like that would be dead simple to add
+<dwihno>        Bagder: Winamp store song information (length) every other line...
+<Bagder>        oh
+<g003y> yeah
+<g003y> sometimes I really hate the way they do things.
+<dwihno>        Is there a battery meter available yet? :)
+<g003y> nope :(
+<dwihno>        The scroller is way cool btw... Should be seamless though
+<Bagder>        that's a whole can of worms as they say
+<g003y> yeah I got the scroller api displaying the filename across the screen
+<g003y> at least until you dump out of that mode back to the browse mode :D
+<dwihno>        :-)
+<Bagder>        cool
+<g003y> I almost think ppl should be able to select/build in code for parsing their style mp3 naming, but that might be a beast nobody wants to cut loose
+<Bagder>        I'm gonna take a stab at that soonish
+<Bagder>        shortening the names on screen
+<dwihno>        hmm
+<g003y> hmmm
+<g003y> we should share notes :D
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<dwihno>        I always name mine XX. YYYYYYYYY (ZZZZ).mp3
+<dwihno>        X = track number
+<dwihno>        Y = file name
+<dwihno>        Z = remix notes
+<dwihno>        Artist - Album (Year)
+<dwihno>        That's how I name the dirs
+<g003y> I think that is fairly common
+<g003y> it could be just a small handful defintions of formats that ppl could choose from with a sensible default just in case.
+<dwihno>        Does the current rockbox have any way of showing song length information?
+<dwihno>        Compared to the archos firmware, that is
+<Bagder>        it estimates the length for non VBRs
+<Bagder>        that's all so far
+<g003y> estimates based on header info correct?
+<Bagder>        yeps
+<g003y> but isn't that pretty much exact?
+<Bagder>        it is
+<Bagder>        should be at least
+<g003y> ahhh...
+<g003y> gotcha
+<Bagder>        it uses integer math too which might make it loose some precision
+<Bagder>        I haven't checked that closely
+<g003y> you're probably right
+<g003y> whats the problem with time display on vbrs?
+<Bagder>        we need to read the whole file to get the length
+<Bagder>        and it kind of sucks
+<dwihno>        Is there a quick way to do VBR estimation?
+<dwihno>        erhm
+<g003y> I'd say that sucks
+<dwihno>        that is sucky
+<g003y> I did not realize vbr sucked that way
+<dwihno>        As long as CBR's are OK ;)
+<g003y> ha....
+<g003y> I'm torn between CBR and VBRs with r3mix options on lame.
+<dwihno>        Hey, what is displayed when songs are played?
+<g003y> id3 info with the current cvs tree
+<g003y>                lcd_puts(0, 0, mp3.artist?mp3.artist:"<no artist>");
+<g003y>                lcd_puts(0, 1, mp3.title?mp3.title:"<no title>");
+<g003y> there ya go :D
+<dwihno>        oww
+<dwihno>        Doesn't it handle non-tagged files?! :(
+<Bagder>        you mean id3 info without id3? ;-)
+<dwihno>        hehehe
+<g003y> hehehehehehehe
+<dwihno>        mr. funny-ass pants ;)
+<g003y> I've got alternatives going on my local copy
+<g003y> so I'm sure it will be handled eventually
+<g003y> at least before the recorder version comes out :D
+<dwihno>        cool
+<Bagder>        haha
+*       Bagder puts the "in charge of the while-playing-song display" sticker on g003y
+<g003y> gagagagagagagagagag
+<g003y> hey that isn't coming off!
+<g003y> only problem is I don't have everything quite setup right here.  I need to get an account and a real cvs login for the project
+<Bagder>        mail your sf account user name to Björn
+<g003y> I will though... I'd really like to contribute my code
+<g003y> oh... I've got to get an sf account as well :D
+<Bagder>        you can always start with mailing diffs
+<g003y> tru
+<g003y> e
+<g003y> I've just been syncing anon and patching my changes
+<g003y> it's not much so far, but I should get setup properly
+<g003y> I still can't believe how advanced the apis on the firmware are already
+<Bagder>        it's pretty cool indeed
+<g003y> alrighty guys.  like Bagder I have to code boring stuff in a few hours at my day job.  So I think some sleep is in order for me.
+<Bagder>        night g003y
+<g003y> night
+<--     g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox
+<Bagder>        it seems as if Zagor has problems with the new hardware... it should've been up by now
+<--     gregh has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
+<Bagder>        cpu MHz         : 1600.072
+<dwihno>        [~] cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep MHz
+<dwihno>        cpu MHz         : 232.674
+<dwihno>        cpu MHz         : 232.674
+<dwihno>        There you got it
+<dwihno>        dual süstëëm
+<dwihno>        Dual is sleek, sexy and pr0no! :)
+<Bagder>        dual 1600
+<Bagder>        cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
+<Bagder>        cpu MHz         : 1600.072
+<Bagder>        cpu MHz         : 1600.072
+<dwihno>        you evil dude!
+<dwihno>        :)
+<Bagder>        its the new hardware that the rockbox site runs on
+<dwihno>        cool stuff
+<dwihno>        who pays the hw?
+<Bagder>        Contactor
+<Bagder>        the company I, Björn and Linus work for
+<dwihno>        Hire me :)
+<dwihno>        <Bagder> sure
+<dwihno>        Yay ;D
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<dwihno>        Why not? :)
+<Bagder>        I wish we could, but the market is a bit rough atm
+<dwihno>        I know
+<dwihno>        Are your employers aware of you spending a lot of time on the Rockbox project?
+<Bagder>        no :-)
+<Bagder>        I won't tell them
+<Bagder>        but then I must do my proper work properly anyway
+<dwihno>        Yeah
+<dwihno>        My recorder sometimes skips the initial 200 msecs of a song...
+<Bagder>        exactly 200?
+<dwihno>        Roughly
+<dwihno>        (with the stock firmware, that is)
+<dwihno>        Do you experience that on the player models?
+<dwihno>        (w, w/o rockbox)
+<Bagder>        no idea
+-->     Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        hey ho
+<Zagor> hi. back at last
+<dwihno>        10:04 < Zagor> see you soon
+<dwihno>        ;)
+<Zagor> yeah, well that's pc hardware for you...
+<Zagor> the motherboard has two IDE LED connectors
+<Zagor> if you connect the "wrong" one, the keyboard stops working...
+<Zagor> that one took me a while to figure out...
+<dwihno>        Intel inside, Zagor outside
+<Zagor> so, what have you guys been up to this morning?
+<dwihno>        We've been talking about how rockbox handles tags when the files do not have id3 tags :)
+<Bagder>        g00ey was around and told us he's done some improvements on the software for what to show while a track is playing
+<Bagder>        g003y
+<Zagor> ok, did we get the code?
+<dwihno>        And I thought the scroller would be seamless
+<Zagor> seamless?
+<Bagder>        Zagor: no, but he'll return
+<Zagor> dwihno: what do you mean seamless?
+<dwihno>        I'll show
+<dwihno>        Zagor had a little lamb.mp3
+<dwihno>        or had a little lamb.mp3
+<dwihno>        a little lamb.mp3
+<dwihno>        lamb.mp3
+<dwihno>        This is how it is now
+<dwihno>        Zagor had a little lamb.mp3
+<dwihno>        or had a little lamb.mp3
+<Zagor> not any more
+<dwihno>        a little lamb.mp3    Zagor
+<dwihno>        lamb.mp3 Zagor had a littl
+<dwihno>        This is what it might be like :)
+<Zagor> you run old code
+<Zagor> it is seamless now
+<dwihno>        mkay
+<Bagder>        upgrade! ;-)
+<dwihno>        OLD?!
+<dwihno>        It's 24 hours old man! :)
+<dwihno>        Or perhaps 48
+<Zagor> yeah, i fixed that last night
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Zagor> that's stone-age code! :)
+<dwihno>        :-)
+<dwihno>        Did you take a peek at the LCD glitch?
+<Zagor> umm, remind me please?
+<dwihno>        When scrolling across pages, the LCD did glitch
+<dwihno>        Like old un-doublebuffered stuff :)
+<dwihno>        Where is your lamb btw?
+<Zagor> ah, well we don't know why that happens. and yes, it is single buffered. we don't have two.
+<Zagor> lamb?
+<dwihno>        yeah
+<dwihno>        http://www.jupither.net/dw/ <-- like that, on that page ;)
+<Bagder>        Zagor: you tried the id3 info Magnus mention on the list?
+<Bagder>        id3 info bug
+<Zagor> i haven't read my mail yet, doing it now
+<Bagder>        oh
+<dwihno>        R-r-r-roockboooox!
+<dwihno>        We need an anthem!
+<Bagder>        yeah, the boot song! ;-)
+<Zagor> brb
+<--     Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting")
+-->     Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<dwihno>        Bagder: you got it! :)
+<dwihno>        The Rockbox-choir and the London philharmonic orchestra ,D
+<Bagder>        haahah
+<dwihno>        Maybe I can pull a few strings ;)
+<dwihno>        Get it?
+<dwihno>        Strings :)
+<dwihno>        *moo haw haw*
+<Bagder>        mr joker ;-)
+<dwihno>        :)
+<Bagder>        wooo, project activity stats on freshmeat
+<Zagor> really
+<Bagder>        I meant graphs
+<Zagor> "Rating: 8.54/10.00 (1 vote)"
+<Zagor> how can one vote give average 8.54?
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<dwihno>        Magic math (tm)
+<Bagder>        hey, I'm that single voter
+<Bagder>        on rockbox
+<Zagor> this virus epidemic is getting seriously annoying
+<Bagder>        Total (weighted)  8.54/10.00
+<Bagder>        "weighted" is the keyword I gues
+<Bagder>        guess
+<Bagder>        Zagor: yes, but cut down the allowed size and it won't be as troublesome
+<Zagor> good point. 50k max now
+<Bagder>        Klez virus mails are always >100K, at least those hundreds that I've got
+<Zagor> min plugin_teamkill funkar iaf, ser jag
+<Zagor> uh, wrong channel :(
+-->     jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        hey jedix
+<jedix> hey
+*       dwihno is rather happy now
+<dwihno>        4 of 5 projects are in the "no work to do" area of my list :D
+<Bagder>        and the fifth is "Implement asteroids on Rockbox" ?
+<Bagder>        :-P
+<dwihno>        hehe
+<dwihno>        not really
+<Bagder>        darn
+<dwihno>        I have no computer to work on sparetime projectgs
+<dwihno>        Which is rather nasty
+<dwihno>        I mean, I'm actually getting a tan! :(
+<Bagder>        sun gives you cancer
+<dwihno>        I know! I need some way to stay indoors!
+<Bagder>        compile, link, upload, flash, run, watch problem, edit, save => LOOP
+<Bagder>        (my whole day in summary)
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+<dwihno>        flash?
+<Bagder>        flash rom
+<dwihno>        mkay
+<Bagder>        I don't even have a debugger on my darned target
+<Bagder>        have to fill my code with printf()
+<dwihno>        What is the target hardware?
+<Bagder>        strongarm 1110
+<dwihno>        whoa
+<Bagder>        no, its no whoa ;-)
+<dwihno>        jees, it iis
+<jedix`>        timeout jedix
+<--     jedix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
+---     jedix` is now known as JediX
+<JediX> whats new?
+---     JediX is now known as jedix
+<Bagder>        not very much
+---     dwihno is now known as dw|gone
+<Zagor> fixing randomize menu option now
+<Bagder>        neat
+<dw|gone>       NEATO ZAGOR! All your box are belong to rock!
+<dw|gone>       I'm off. Have a nice evening and try to stay indoors - the sun will cause cancer!
+<Bagder>        I'd suggest you call it "shuffle" and not random
+<Zagor> good idea
+<Zagor> where do I find the currently loaded list?
+<Bagder>        it's a global struct in playlist.c
+<Zagor> ok
+*       Zagor wants current_tick in simulator... :)
+<Zagor> i'll just use time() instead
+<Zagor> for seed
+<Bagder>        it doesn't really matter
+<Bagder>        just increase the current
+<Bagder>        or something
+<Zagor> i'll use the tick. otherwise it'll be the same every first time after boot
+<Bagder>        right
+<Zagor> oops, core in playlist
+<Zagor> after 1002 lines
+<Bagder>        ah
+<Bagder>        there's a 1000 max
+<Zagor> oh
+<Zagor> i thought it was 10000 ?
+<Bagder>        without any checks for it ;-)
+<Bagder>        yeah, but I just used one
+<Bagder>        raise it now
+<Zagor> will do
+<Zagor> adding check, too :)
+<Bagder>        wooo
+<Zagor> what's index_array used for? I don't see it
+<Bagder>        uh, remove ;-)
+<Zagor> ok
+<jedix> Zagor: why did you have to rewrite my scroll stuff?
+<Zagor> I chose a slightly different approach, that's all
+<Zagor> there was nothing wrong with your code
+<Zagor> to be able to do the new type of scroll, I sprintf the text into a string and then puts the string.
+<Zagor> for the new shuffle to be useful, we need a "next tracj" button
+<Zagor> track
+<Bagder>        we could use that for playlist without shuffle too ;-)
+<Zagor> yep
+<Zagor> too bad we are out of buttons :)
+<Bagder>        well
+<Bagder>        we should have a special "screen" for showing while playing a track, right? I mean if we're not browsing the tree?
+<Zagor> yes we should. so you could go in and out between the browser and this screen
+<Bagder>        right
+<Zagor> i.e. we need some UI work
+<Zagor> might want to save that for 1.2 though
+<Bagder>        fair enough
+<Bagder>        and if we play a track and idle in the tree browser, we could timeout back to the show-track-screen
+<Bagder>        which I believe the archos firmware does
+<Zagor> we could, but I'm not sure I'd want it to. definitely a configurable option :)
+<Bagder>        yes
+<Bagder>        the play-screen will be useful since it'll give more control of back/skip and volume up/down
+<Bagder>        which isn't as easily available when tree browsing
+<Zagor> exactly
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+<Bagder>        the shuffle menu should probably say something if no playlist was loaded
+<Zagor> right
+<Bagder>        I suspect people will do that
+<Bagder>        I wonder how fast the playlist loader is on target
+<Bagder>        I mean, compared to the original archos one
+<Zagor> i'd suspect somewhere in the order of 100 times faster :)
+<Bagder>        it would be really cool
+-->     edx (OKE60@pD9EAB848.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
+<edx>   hi
+<Bagder>        hi!
+<edx>   hmm... (maybe a stupid question... but..) would it be possible to write a keybard driver for the jukebox so we can plug in a usb keyboard :?
+<Bagder>        no
+<edx>   too sad.. why not?
+<Bagder>        we can't use the USB for anything like that
+<edx>   for what reason?
+<Bagder>        it's out of reach
+<edx>   damn.
+<edx>   like a linux console on the recorder would rock ;)
+*       Bagder puts a curl release together
+<Zagor> we can connect a keyboard to the remote control port
+<edx>   hmm on the remote port... sounds good... :)
+<edx>   Then I would have to build my own remote port.. but for a keyboard - no problem :)
+<Zagor> you need to build a serial converter for the keyboard, but the rest should be simple
+<edx>   there are serial converter chips, right? (i dont have much knowledge about hardware unfortunately)
+<Zagor> yup. just like the gdb cable
+<Zagor> tested now. my 4500 line file takes about 5-6 seconds to load
+<Bagder>        that's just totally awesome
+<Zagor> indeed
+<Zagor> but it'll be faster with some simple adjustments to playlist.c
+<Bagder>        like what?
+<Zagor> it should be loading 512-byte blocks, not 255
+-->     elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        ah right
+<Zagor> fixing...
+<elinenbe>      'ello
+<edx>   lol ... now it takes like 5 secs for a 30 song playlist :P
+<edx>   hi
+<Bagder>        yeah, the stock firmware is shockingly slow at loading playlists
+<elinenbe>      painfully slow.
+<elinenbe>      so slow -- I usually take a dump, shower, and shave before it loads my 3 song playlist.
+<Zagor> also, we should accept both / and \ as separators. i suspect winamp creates files with \
+<Bagder>        elinenbe: Zagor just tested, we load a 4500 song playlist in 5-6 seconds
+<elinenbe>      that is great.
+<elinenbe>      we are now talking full disk shuffle?
+<Zagor> yes we are
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<Bagder>        Zagor: we might get problems with paths too when we talk about files created by external programs
+<Zagor> yep. C:\my music\...
+<Zagor> :)
+<Bagder>        yah
+<elinenbe>      I am just wondering...  what is the status on playing sound on the AJBR
+<Zagor> Linus is working on that
+<Bagder>        we should include Linus in our prayers ;-)
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+<elinenbe>      I was wondering... does anyone else ever get the reversed screen on the recorder?
+<Bagder>        hey ironi
+<Bagder>        reversed screen?
+<elinenbe>      even the rockbox bmp is reversed
+<ironi> Bagder: ?
+<ironi> hey Bagder
+<edx>   huhu?
+<Bagder>        gosh
+<ironi> Bagder: do u use emacs a lot?
+<elinenbe>      where everything is flipped.
+<Bagder>        ironi: nah, only 10-12 hours a day ;-P
+<ironi> Bagder: my irc script supports emacs commands
+<elinenbe>      like you are looking at a mirror image of the screnn.
+<ironi> isnt that totally elite
+<ironi> =)
+<Bagder>        elinenbe: and that happens every now or then or can you repeat it on demand?
+<elinenbe>      no, happens every now and then.
+<elinenbe>      not only is the screen mirrored, but it is offset about 16 pixels.
+<Bagder>        it sounds if there's some lcd init we dont do
+<elinenbe>      to the right.
+<elinenbe>      no... that happens with the archos fimrware too.
+<Bagder>        ah
+<elinenbe>      on the recorder.
+<Bagder>        then it might be a defect hardware perhaps
+<edx>   hm then thats a hardware bug (?)
+<elinenbe>      yeah I dont know if anyone else ever gets that.
+<edx>   i have a recorder. never ever got that.
+<Bagder>        I've never seen it either
+<ironi> i have a player, and I lvoe the double size text
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<ironi> the browsing and the scrolling are so FAST
+<ironi> i just love this
+<edx>   hehe
+<ironi> I want to contribute som uch
+<elinenbe>      is the double size text an option on the player rockbox?
+<Zagor> you have already: the web site!
+<ironi> but there is still an error with how directories are displayed, though.
+<ironi> at least for me
+<Bagder>        elinenbe: yeps
+<Zagor> elinenbe: the new models use it as logo
+<elinenbe>      nice :)
+<Zagor> ironi: what error is that?
+<ironi> Zagor: well let me try to explain
+<elinenbe>      the scrolling through a directory is quite slow on the recorder -- and there is quite a bit of flicker.
+<ironi> my dir that is called F-J
+<Zagor> elinenbe: yes, we're not sure why
+<ironi> is displayed as F-J1  q|| r
+<Zagor> ironi: which version is this?
+<ironi> but only whgen scrolling down
+<ironi> if i go down and go back up its F-J
+<ironi> Zagor: the latest?
+<ironi> i got it last night
+<Bagder>        this morning?
+<elinenbe>      I was wondering -- does this sound like something that is a good idea:  instead of scrolling only the title that the cursor is on, scroll everything on the current screen that is wider then the screen?
+<ironi> no last night
+<ironi> lemme get this mornings
+<Bagder>        ironi: please do
+<ironi> an optional go to usb mode yes/no would be pleasant
+<ironi> when plugging it in
+<Zagor> elinenbe: well, i have to ask "why?" :)
+<ironi> that would be terribly confusing on fast scroll
+<elinenbe>      well, lets say you have 10 songs named "Red Hot Chili Peppers - Songname 1
+<Zagor> hmm, maybe we should do the vertical recorder scroll using bitmap instead redrawing the chars
+<elinenbe>      "Red Hot Chili Peppers - Songname 2
+<elinenbe>      etc...
+<ironi> hm
+<Bagder>        Zagor: that's a good idea
+<Zagor> elinenbe: ah, you mean scroll all lines and not just one?
+<elinenbe>      and you want to play a certain one.
+<ironi> im thinking of something
+<elinenbe>      yes.
+<ironi> that moving through a dir in the player should give movement on every push
+<Zagor> we could try
+<elinenbe>      if it were a bitmap scroll, then couldn't you easily do pixel by pixel?
+<Zagor> elinenbe: yes we could
+<ironi> i.e. not just moving the arrow down if its on top when scrolling down the first one
+<ironi> it confuses me totally
+<Zagor> ironi: hehe. well yes there is lots of UI work left :)
+<Zagor> i have to go now, they're closing the office!
+<ironi> Zagor: can i be the UI general, please please please
+<Zagor> see you tomorrow, everyone
+<ironi> =)
+<ironi> ok so lets see the newset build
+<ironi> same error
+*       Bagder hands ironi the UI boss hat
+<ironi> hehe
+<ironi> i wan tso much to be in the credz =)
+<ironi> *waNNABE*
+<ironi> anyway
+<Zagor> we'll add you for the web site
+<ironi> hehe cool =)
+<ironi> anyway
+<ironi> the browsing should have a slight delay
+<Zagor> gotta run, bye
+<--     Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting")
+<elinenbe>      what do you mean by the browsing should have a slight delay?
+<elinenbe>      later.
+<ironi> cause now when i push i scroll by 3 rows like nothing
+<ironi> with a 2-row display this is very annoying
+<Bagder>        right
+<Bagder>        the buttons are a bit sensitive
+<ironi> yeahm, thats the least you could say
+<ironi> the scrolling should be settable from 1-10
+<ironi> everything over 15 is totally underadable, isnt it
+<Bagder>        ...not on the recorder ;-)
+<edx>   hehe ;)
+<ironi> the menu button should have like a 0.3 second delay when pushed
+<ironi> i.e. you need to hold it for that time
+*       edx looks down to his recorder and smiles..
+<ironi> to activate
+<elinenbe>      I like the recorder at 25
+<ironi> oh really? ok. well 5 is neat fo rme
+<ironi> 6 manybe
+<elinenbe>      is there any saving of values to the disk yet?
+<Bagder>        no
+<ironi> oh really
+<ironi> well how will this be saved?
+<elinenbe>      how si that going to be handled?
+<ironi> just a textfile
+<ironi> config file
+<ironi> is it possible to implement that
+<Bagder>        sure
+<ironi> cause hten we could move on and make a filehandler
+<elinenbe>      in an unused sector -- like the default firmware does it?
+<ironi> that can make dirs, copy, delete
+<ironi> =)))
+<ironi> hehe maybe a bit of an overkill
+<elinenbe>      I like the idea of an ascii config file.
+<ironi> i would love to be able to read txt-files
+<ironi> lovely to make notes for grocery shopping hah
+<Bagder>        contribution time!
+<ironi> it sahould be possible to make a game for the player too
+<ironi> am i wqrong or is the disk read alot shorter with rockbox firmware?
+<ironi> when entering new dirs
+<Bagder>        dunno
+<Bagder>        gotta run, see ya tomorrow
+<ironi> have you ever played arkanoid?
+<elinenbe>      later.
+<elinenbe>      go home.
+<--     Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox
+<ironi> that would be able to do on the player
+<ironi> =)
+<ironi> a vertical arcanoid
+<elinenbe>      that would be nice.
+<ironi> elinenbe: do you know how to set it up to be able to compile everyitng in windows?
+<elinenbe>      no.  I was messing around with it.
+<elinenbe>      but I guess over the last few days, a bunch has been done to it.
+<ironi> ok
+<elinenbe>      you need to use nmake.
+<ironi> i think i will do linux trough vmware maybe
+<ironi> kinda easier
+<elinenbe>      follow the directions on the web page -- they are easy to follow.
+<ironi> im more used to compile in linux so ill jsut stick to that
+<ironi> and play around with vmware at the same time hehe
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+<--     ironi has quit (" <k!15b8>")
+<--     jedix has quit ("brb")
+-->     jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox
+<elinenbe>      there is no auto-off in the AJBR Rockbox.
+---     WetBed is now known as Wettoad
+<elinenbe>      of course you know that already...
+<--     edx|homework has quit ("be right back")
+-->     edx (OKE60@pD9EAB848.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
+---     edx is now known as edx|studying
+<edx|studying>  hmmm does the recorder version play songs yet?
+-->     plmirc (xxxx@Mix-Puteaux-104-1-73.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<plmirc>        HI at All !
+<plmirc>        well... :-|
+<edx|studying>  yo
+---     edx|studying is now known as edx
+<plmirc>        Bye at all...
+<edx>   bye
+<plmirc>        :)
+<edx>   lol
+<--     plmirc (xxxx@Mix-Puteaux-104-1-73.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #rockbox
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<--     jedix has quit ("gone")
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+<edx>   rehi ;)
+<Zagor> hi
+<edx>   Zagor: does the playback work on the recorder?
+<Zagor> not yet
+<edx>   k
+<edx>   (didnt work for me.. that's why i'm asking)
+<edx>   i modified the makefile so it compiles on windows (but it wont compile on linux with that makefile anymore..)
+<edx>   we gotta make a makefile for windows & linux
+<edx>   (not now.. sometime later.. ;) )
+<Zagor> what did you change?
+<edx>   i removed the dependency stuff
+<Zagor> oh...
+<edx>   (scripting does not work in windows..)
+<edx>   no sh.exe
+<Zagor> i know
+<edx>   at least i get a compiled file that actually works...
+<edx>   we could also create a makefile.win32 or something (for win32 users who want to compile the firmware..)
+<Zagor> yes
+<edx>   maybe that will be easier than having a linwin file...
+<edx>   also, i think the if statements dont work under windows.
+<edx>   (i had to remove them to get the recorder code compiled..)
+<Zagor> are you using nmake?
+<edx>   no
+<edx>   i use the make that comes with the GNUSH tool chain
+<edx>   nmake really is a whole different story
+<Zagor> what does "make --version" report?
+<edx>   GNU Make version 3.78.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath.
+<edx>   Built for Windows32
+<Zagor> what does it say when you have the if lines?
+<edx>   nothing, it just does not do what inside the if lines...
+<edx>   (though it should)
+<edx>   what = what is
+<Zagor> ok
+<edx>   how far is rolo btw (is it even developed at the moment?)
+<Zagor> no, we haven't started with it yet.
+<edx>   ok... because if we had that I could at least put rockbox on there to play (and still listen to music heheh)
+<edx>   right now rolo will play a pretty important role, specially for those people who are unsure whether to use rockbox or the archos mod
+<Zagor> i know, i want rolo too. it's just we don't have unlimited manpower :)
+<edx>   true.
+<edx>   If I could i'd help but I guess I have to little low-level experience...
+<edx>   the file must be read to ram and then.. the instruction pointer set to that location (correct me if i am totally wrong)
+<Zagor> your helping very much already, with the win32 stuff
+<Zagor> yes, but there are "a few" other things too :)
+<edx>   (yea.. must be the correct place in ram etc..)
+<edx>   and the rolo must be deleted out of ram i guess (because the archos mod wants to use all of the ram and is designed for that i guess)
+<edx>   anyways.. nice revery hehe
+<Zagor> yes, rolo will be overwritten by the mod
+<edx>   ok
+<edx>   i gotta get some sleep... last class test for this school year tomorrow :D
+<edx>   cya all
+<Zagor> bye
+<--     edx has quit ("good night")
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<PsycoXul>      so who thinks they might want to get rolo rolling?
+-->     g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox
+<g003y> heya all
+<PsycoXul>      hi
+-->     Zagor_ (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<--     Zagor has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+---     Zagor_ is now known as Zagor
+<g003y> I always have to go back to that dang nick reference :D
+<Zagor> hehe
+<g003y> you guys on the other side of the pond are still up?
+<Zagor> I'd like to use "Bjorn", but unfortunately it's registered to someone else
+<Zagor> yeah, it's 22:55 here
+<g003y> yeah I just randomly typed g003y into trillian :D
+<Zagor> hehe
+<g003y> Zagor - Bagder told me to get an SF account setup and talk to you about getting ssh cvs access.
+<g003y> you the man for that ?
+<Zagor> yep
+<g003y> cool
+<g003y> I've been working on some stuff locally
+<Zagor> yeah?
+<g003y> playing around with displaying filenames and such as songs play
+<g003y> getting my head around the api
+<g003y> more apps stuff
+<Zagor> ok, nice
+<g003y> I'm not a hardware guy like all yousese :D.  But I know C and applications :D
+<g003y> anyway I was looking at adding a real primitive display format
+<g003y> right now I can compile with support for scrolling the filename or using the current behavior
+<g003y> it actually works nicely thanks to those wonderful scrolling apis :D
+<Zagor> :)
+<g003y> so I was thinking of having just a couple of different things we can support
+<g003y> with playing file display
+<Zagor> sure
+<g003y> id3 info being one
+<g003y> scrolling filename being another
+<g003y> but potentially a way to instruct the play how to disect your filename/directory structure to build id3 like information on the screen
+<g003y> play == player
+<Zagor> yes, that'd be good
+<g003y> but the real question right now is....
+<g003y> should I make it a compiled in option or something that could be configured through settings?
+<Zagor> settings, definitely
+<g003y> ok cool.  
+<g003y> that is how I would prefer it
+<g003y> anyway I will get an sf account email ya
+<Zagor> ok
+<g003y> BTW - your cross compiler buld instructions worked first shot for me.
+<Zagor> nice!
+<g003y> took me about 5 minutes to get up and running
+<g003y> I'm on win32 using cygwin as well
+<g003y> one other question for you.  Whats the deal with the battery display?  I've only started logging recently and haven't dug through all the old logs yet
+<Zagor> we have no battery display yet
+<g003y> I noticed :D
+<g003y> but is it an unknown thing 
+<Zagor> measuring battery capacity is a whole science in itself
+<g003y> ahhh
+<Zagor> so we're putting that off a bit until the basic stuff works
+<g003y> cool
+<elinenbe>      g003y: how do you use the make files in win32?
+<g003y> I do everything through the bash shell cygwin provides
+<g003y> so technically I use the *nix like make
+<g003y> but if you're attempting the uisimulator compile then you need to use nmake
+<g003y> from a dos window
+<elinenbe>      oh -- how does that work?  I am not familiar with the bash shell that comew with cygwin
+<elinenbe>      did you download the source tarball or use wincvs
+<g003y> are you just trying to get the firmware configured?
+<g003y> I sync to current with wincvs
+<g003y> but I started with the tarballs
+<elinenbe>      well, I want to be able to compile the firmware.
+<g003y> ok
+<g003y> cygwin gives you a little batch file you double click
+<g003y> that gives you a shell right?  That is bash 
+<g003y> from there you would build the cross compiler as Bjorn has put together on the website
+<elinenbe>      I know bash and linux
+<g003y> I tried the GNU-SH toolkit, but it just wasn't cutting it for me
+<g003y> ok good well cygwin gives you the same stuff basically
+<elinenbe>      I was just unfamiliar with the bash shell that is makes for windows.
+<g003y> it's close, but not exactly the same
+<g003y> just use the batch file they plop on the desktop and it will put you in your home directory
+<g003y> from there it will feel more familiar
+<elinenbe>      ok
+<g003y> setup all your normal include stuff and everything
+<elinenbe>      did you just follow the directions on the web page?
+<g003y> then just do the configure & compile
+<elinenbe>      http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/sh-win/
+<g003y> yeah except
+<g003y> no not that one
+<g003y> I couldn't get compiles to work with that tool kit
+<elinenbe>      not what?
+<elinenbe>      oh, so what toolkit did you use?
+<g003y> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html
+<g003y> I followed those directions
+<g003y> inside of a cygwin win32 bash shell
+<g003y> GNU-SH just wouldn't fly for me
+<elinenbe>      well, where did you dl the cygwin bash shell.
+<elinenbe>      ?
+<g003y> http://www.cgywin.org/
+<g003y> just go for the installer
+<elinenbe>      ok.  thanks so much.
+<g003y> get the packages you need to get yourself started
+<g003y> though you won't need newlib compiled in
+<g003y> so you can drop that bit 
+<g003y> after cygwin does it's thing you will need to recompile gcc with the sh1 extensions
+<elinenbe>      the page you speak of is http://www.cygwin.com/
+<elinenbe>      ok
+<g003y> oh yeah d....o....t....com
+<g003y> :D
+<g003y> anyway you will need gcc to get to gcc 3.x with sh1
+<elinenbe>      so, you just downloaded the gcc and installed as per insturction on http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html?
+<g003y> yup
+<g003y> minus newlib
+<PsycoXul>      hmm
+<PsycoXul>      why not newlib?
+<Zagor> we aren't using it any more
+<PsycoXul>      ah
+<PsycoXul>      cool
+<g003y> IDK - I saw on the mailing list not to use it
+<Zagor> just a few header files are still needed
+<g003y> there ya go :D
+<elinenbe>      ok -- great.  Thanks so much.
+<g003y> no prob
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+<Zagor> hey bro
+<Bagder>        hey
+<g003y> heh... so you guys are related?
+<Zagor> yeah, we're brothers
+<Zagor> the playlist loader reads around 1000 lines per second. that's not bad!
+<g003y> thats pretty damn good
+<Bagder>        it's so darned cool
+<Zagor> sure is
+<Bagder>        so the shuffle stuff works now?
+<Zagor> umm, haven't tried it yet. the batteries in my player are empty (and the charger circuit is busted)
+<Zagor> i have only tested on the recorder so far
+<Zagor> it should go even faster on the player, since it's clocked faster
+<Zagor> not very much, though
+<Bagder>        about 9%
+<g003y> I'll give it a try tonight when I recompile
+<g003y> I have a player
+<Bagder>        neato
+<Zagor> ok
+<Bagder>        we need the playlist tested a bit
+<g003y> I'm just at my day job right now coding less interesting crap
+<Bagder>        g003y: so what kind of stuff do you work with?
+<g003y> a mixture of win32 & *nixes
+<g003y> C, perl asp... whatever needs to be done mostly
+<g003y> most of our FEs are IIS
+<Zagor> ueck :)
+<g003y> but lots of the behind the scenes is unixy
+<g003y> hey I even hop on the g4 once and awhile to pretend I have a flipper for the mouse button :D
+<Zagor> hehe
+<Bagder>        :-)
+<Bagder>        http://freshmeat.net/stats/#vitality
+*       Bagder smiles
+<Zagor> hehe
+<g003y> I don't see rockbox there yet :D
+<g003y> j (score: 44,252 - 36.97%)
+<g003y> A programmer's editor written in Java.
+<g003y> that is up there, but VI or VIM is not?
+<Zagor> it's a new rating system, there hasn't been a lot of votes yet
+<g003y> ahhhhh... gotcha
+<Bagder>        vitality isn't based on that
+<Zagor> ah, yes that was vitality
+<Bagder>        but it requires rather frequent releases
+<Zagor> vi has vitality 0.01% :)
+<g003y> gotcha
+<Zagor> vim is at 0.51%
+<Bagder>        so more stable projects tend to get less "vital"
+<Zagor> rockbox is at 0.00
+<g003y> well how is popularity rated?
+<Bagder>        I honestly don't know how any of those numbers are calculated
+<Zagor> "The popularity score superseded the old counters for record hits, URL hits and subscriptions. Popularity is calculated as (record hits * URL hits * (subscriptions + 1))^(1/3)."
+<Bagder>        oh
+<Bagder>        curl =  Popularity: 12.84% (Rank 100)
+<Zagor> "The vitality score for a project is calculated  like this: (announcements * age) / (last_announcement)"
+<g003y> oh there is the link I was looking for that zagor kindly regurigiated for me :D
+<Zagor> hehe
+*       Zagor is trying to get used to mutt...
+<g003y> mutt is nice
+<g003y> unfortunately I haven't converted yet
+<Zagor> i've used elm and thenpine for the last 10 years, so it's hard for me to change
+<Bagder>        I've built my whole life around pine ;-)
+<g003y> hahahahahaha
+<Bagder>        Zagor: so what's left for a 1.1 release?
+<Zagor> nothing, really. I just want to test it a bit more.
+<Bagder>        ok
+<Bagder>        just checking ;-)
+<Zagor> i'm thinking maybe "Shuffle" should be an "on/off" option rather than an action
+<Bagder>        yes
+<Bagder>        and possible a "reshuffle" as an action
+<Zagor> so you set it before you start the playlist
+<Bagder>        possibly
+<Zagor> yeah
+<Bagder>        did you time the shuffle of 4500 songs?
+<Bagder>        or didn't you try it?
+<Zagor> i did. 5120 songs takes just under 5 seconds
+<Bagder>        yes, to read from a file, right?
+<Zagor> oh, the shuffle. hang on...
+<Bagder>        I meant only the shuffle part
+<Zagor> it's very quick. sub-second i think
+<Bagder>        that is great
+<Zagor> tested now. it's like 0.5 seconds.
+<g003y> schweet
+<Bagder>        it makes me feel really warm inside that our thoughs prove to be working so good
+<Zagor> yes, i agree
+<Zagor> and this means 1.1 will be a real alternative for some people. still very unpolished, but with one killer feature
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<g003y> shuffle that blows archos' effort out of the water?
+<Zagor> fast and big playlists
+<g003y> I thought you were talking just shuffle there
+<Zagor> archos don't do shuffling like this, so there's no real comparison.
+<g003y> another killer feature?
+<Zagor> but they do load playlists, at a horrible speed
+<g003y> the playlist stuff is horrible on theirs
+<Zagor> the huge playlist support is our killer feature
+<g003y> they've got features, but sacrificed speed
+<g003y> yeah thats great
+<PsycoXul>      whats its limit? memory? heh
+<PsycoXul>      or hd space?
+<PsycoXul>      or what
+<Zagor> we set a 10000 entry limit
+<Bagder>        they probably just do it "The Wrong Way"
+<Zagor> memory is the limit, since we need to hold one integer per entry
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<g003y> I thought the integer solution was quite crafty.
+<g003y> I believe archos is doing something far nastier with memory usage
+<Zagor> I like it
+<Zagor> oooh yes...
+<Bagder>        just watching the time it takes to load a playlist indicates something really nasty
+<g003y> so have any of the archos ppl contacted the group about this project in any way?
+<Zagor> nope
+<Zagor> they ignore us vehemently :)
+<g003y> you're making their dev team look bad :D
+<Zagor> hehe
+<Bagder>        we've gone from completely *nothing* to this point in ~6 months
+<g003y> fricking good stuff :)
+<Zagor> all the code is written since april...
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Bagder>        can you run a simulated player?
+<Zagor> yes
+<Bagder>        it just died so hard on me
+<Zagor> but I get a lot of those X errors
+<Bagder>        I can't even close gdb now!
+<Bagder>        The program is running.  Exit anyway? (y or n) y
+<Zagor> that happened to me too the other day
+<Bagder>        Error accessing memory address 0x4018d664: No such process.
+<g003y> doh!
+<Zagor> ouch
+<Bagder>        had to kill it manually from another terminal
+<Bagder>        hm
+<g003y> ok
+<g003y> sorry wrong window :D
+<g003y> dang trillian makes that stuff confusing :D
+<Bagder>        it just does not work here
+<Zagor> odd
+<Bagder>        all I see is the initial screen
+<Bagder>        and nothing more happens
+<Zagor> trillian hung a win2k box solid for me the other day. i ain't touching that stuff again :)
+<Bagder>        "ROCKbox" "CVS"
+<g003y> I run trillian on win2k connected to IRC, AIM, ICQ and YIM.  I can't live without it anymore :D
+<Bagder>        but the recorder version runs just fine
+<Bagder>        how do I switch thread in gdb?
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Bagder>        no archos dir
+<Zagor> moooh
+<Bagder>        I made one now
+<Bagder>        and...
+<Bagder>        Segmentation fault (core dumped)
+<g003y> bomb baby bomb!
+<Zagor> it shouldn't crash so hard for that
+<g003y> user error? :D
+<Bagder>        lcd_puts_scroll()
+<Bagder>        #0  0x401ed897 in strlen (str=0x1 <Address 0x1 out of bounds>)
+<Bagder>            at ../sysdeps/i386/strlen.c:27
+<Bagder>        #1  0x804e8e1 in lcd_puts (x=1, y=0, str=0x1 <Address 0x1 out of bounds>)
+<Bagder>            at ../../firmware/drivers/lcd.c:501
+<Bagder>        #2  0x804f04f in lcd_puts_scroll (x=1, y=0, 
+<Bagder>            string=0x1 <Address 0x1 out of bounds>) at ../../firmware/drivers/lcd.c:773
+<Bagder>        #3  0x804d37e in dirbrowse (root=0x8050e7f "/") at ../../apps/tree.c:243
+<elinenbe>      later guys.  you fucking rock!  (off to do some database modelling and design!)
+<Bagder>        see ya elinenbe
+<g003y> cya
+<Bagder>        Zagor: I have a completely empty dir
+<Zagor> i'll test
+<Zagor> i got the crash too
+<Bagder>        tree.c line 243
+<Zagor> ah, of course. silly me
+<Zagor> any empty dir will crash it
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<Zagor> fixed
+*       Bagder updates
+<Bagder>        better
+<Bagder>        but what is the question mark doing there?
+<Zagor> it's the cursor
+<Bagder>        ah
+<Zagor> special char on player
+<Bagder>        we should fake that better in the simulator
+<Zagor> yup
+<Zagor> i also want icons in the player simulator soon...
+<Bagder>        true
+<Bagder>        shouldn't be too hard
+<Bagder>        I like the scroll
+<Zagor> yeah, it's nice. your idea was better.
+<Bagder>        I think so too, it fills better
+<Zagor> the code is actually simpler for this scroll than the previous model
+<PsycoXul>      hey somebody wanna post a current-cvs new-player build i can try out? i haven't messed with it since i went on vacation
+<Zagor> sure
+<Zagor> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/player/archos.mod
+<PsycoXul>      thanks
+<PsycoXul>      hmm ok
+<PsycoXul>      that doesn't update the LCD at all after the rom firmware boot screen
+<Bagder>        wrong lcd version?
+<Zagor> uh, it doesn't?
+<Zagor> duh, I gave you an old player version. sorry
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<Zagor> grab it again
+<PsycoXul>      nice
+<Zagor> try starting a playlist
+<g003y> that mod for the 4.50+ player hardware?
+<Zagor> yup
+<PsycoXul>      ok
+<PsycoXul>      i've only got a couple of short playlists saved on here heh
+<Bagder>        booo ;-)
+<g003y> get those perl scripts out :D
+<PsycoXul>      i'm not one for listening to the same set over again
+<PsycoXul>      :p
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Zagor> make a list of the whole disk
+<PsycoXul>      how do you start the playlist?
+<Bagder>        play
+<g003y> ha!
+<PsycoXul>      hmm
+<g003y> no go?
+<PsycoXul>      it just says loading nnn files, complete
+<PsycoXul>      and thats it
+<Zagor> doesn't start playing?
+<PsycoXul>      no
+<g003y> format of playlist affect it?
+<Zagor> the display isn't supposed to say title or anything. but it's supposed to play the files.
+<Zagor> odd. works in the sim
+<PsycoXul>      they're playlists that archos' firmware saved
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<Bagder>        they should be fine
+<Zagor> ah, how did you make those playlists?
+<g003y> _should_ is the keyword in that sentence
+<Bagder>        hehe, of course
+<Zagor> i bet there are backslashes and/or disk names in there?
+<Bagder>        I don't think so
+<Bagder>        mine didn't
+<g003y> zagor - what format does the code expect?
+<PsycoXul>      lemme look at what they look like
+<Bagder>        normal / slash
+<Zagor> forward slashes, no C: 
+<g003y> CR-LF combo?
+<g003y> or just LF?
+<Bagder>        either way
+<Bagder>        ah
+<Bagder>        its broke
+<g003y> I was just about to try it, but not now :D
+<PsycoXul>      ./Nine Inch Nails/The Fragile/Left/01 - somewhat damaged.mp3
+<Zagor> kill the leading dot
+<Bagder>        initial dot huh? :-)
+<Bagder>        Zagor: the code doesn't work with CRLF right now
+<Zagor> ok
+<PsycoXul>      heh that shouldn't be a problem :p 
+<PsycoXul>      and they're dos format text too
+*       PsycoXul makes a whole-disk playlist
+<PsycoXul>      oh damnit whats find's problem
+*       PsycoXul runs it through sort
+<PsycoXul>      thats better
+<PsycoXul>      i noticed directories that start with a . don't show up in the browser
+<Zagor> you can't have that in fat32, can you?
+<PsycoXul>      yeah i've got a few of them
+<PsycoXul>      just cause they also don't show up in archos' browser and they have either oggs or mp3's that are silent for no apparent reason on the archos [or maybe just with archos' firmware, i haven't tried them with rockbox]
+<Zagor> ok
+<Zagor> i need to test that. we don't do any filtering so that's a bug
+<Bagder>        Zagor: is the fs code totally case insensitive?
+<Zagor> it should be, but there may be bugs
+<Bagder>        ok
+<Bagder>        it just struck me
+<Zagor> umm, no. it's totally sensitive
+<Zagor> bad move :)
+<Bagder>        dang
+<Zagor> buh, now we need to add strnicmp to common/
+<Bagder>        heh
+<Bagder>        strncasecmp() ?
+<Zagor> yes
+<Bagder>        (I'm just nitpicking on the name)
+<Zagor> i know :)
+<PsycoXul>      ok my complete playlist ends up 2641 tracks
+<Zagor> try loading it. you'll like it :)
+<Bagder>        ok, I'm off. See ya mañana
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+<PsycoXul>      hmm
+<PsycoXul>      still doesn't play
+<PsycoXul>      /Ac-Dc/Back In Black/01-Hells Bells.mp3
+<PsycoXul>      format, unix-style text
+<Zagor> ok
+<PsycoXul>      hmm after i started playing a file and pressing stop to go back to the browser, the ui sorta paused with a jerky scroll of the file it was on, for a second or two before letting me do anything
+<g003y> different question (sorry to hijack) - Is there a way to go back to the playing display after exiting back to the browser?
+<PsycoXul>      and bass over 70% has nasty clipping on this AC/DC song heh, even at lower volumes
+<PsycoXul>      g003y: thats a good question
+<PsycoXul>      and there's still random files that get displayed with junk names
+<PsycoXul>      directories anyways i dunno about files actualy
+<Zagor> g003y: currently there is no way to do that
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: that might be short FAT names. I haven't been able to test those much.
+<g003y> zagor - hmm... how about like a fetaure that returns to it when a user has idled on pressing buttons or would that be overdoing it?
+<Zagor> i don't like the machine to decide things on its own. i think a simple toggle button is better
+<g003y> I believe button combos are precious on the player.
+<g003y> ok
+<g003y> sounds fair to me
+<PsycoXul>      i think this one is called 'disc 2 misc' or something i dunno about the white spaces or if tehy're -'s or _'s, i forget, but it displays as 'isk_2_-_02_-_'
+<Zagor> check to be sure
+<PsycoXul>      oh i've probably got it on the playlist i've just made so i can look at that heh
+<PsycoXul>      ah its actualy 'disc3-misc'
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<Zagor> and how is it displayed?
+<PsycoXul>      'isk_2_-_02_0_'
+<PsycoXul>      er
+<PsycoXul>      'isk_2_-_02_-_'
+<Zagor> veeery odd
+<PsycoXul>      yeah and 'Beck' is displayed as 'Ozzy.m3u.m3u'
+<g003y> left over buffer garbage?
+<Zagor> looks like it, yeah
+<PsycoXul>      and 'Adam Sandler' is 'HMC1 Y?? U?' the ?'s actualy being little 3's as if they're being cubed heh
+<Zagor> it's the fat32 driver
+<g003y> psyco- is that only happening on playlists for you?
+<PsycoXul>      no its the display of these directories in the browser
+<g003y> oh sorry
+<PsycoXul>      and these funky names are consistant
+<g003y> I thought it was the filenames
+<PsycoXul>      they're always these heh
+<g003y> heh... well at least it's consistent
+<PsycoXul>      though the adam sandler one the little 3's used to be other chars in older rockbox versions heh
+<g003y> I think zagor is jamming over some fat32 code right now as we speak :D
+<Zagor> what, me? :)
+<PsycoXul>      oh 'Misc-junk' also displays as 'Pilots.m3u'
+<PsycoXul>      and you know whatever else heh
+<PsycoXul>      hmm
+<PsycoXul>      and i go into the recycled dir
+<PsycoXul>      where theres some wav files
+<PsycoXul>      and i select one
+<PsycoXul>      and then stop it
+<Zagor> this is not short-name issues. misc-junk is 9 chars == longname
+<PsycoXul>      and then press stop again to leave the recycled dir
+<PsycoXul>      and i get DH0 DH1 and INFO2 
+<PsycoXul>      displayed in the browser
+<Zagor> eh?
+<g003y> I'm trying to reproduce it right now, but not much luck here
+<PsycoXul>      ok its also sometimes just going into the recycled dir
+<PsycoXul>      and sometimes leaving it
+<PsycoXul>      hmm unless they're actualy in there and the bounce is putting me into the first one
+<Zagor> well I need to gdb this, so it'll have to wait until the morning
+<PsycoXul>      ok i think thats whats going on with the DH0 DH1 and INFO2 things is just that i didn't see them there at first because of the button sensitivity so disregard that one
+<Zagor> ok, good
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+<PsycoXul>      well there most of them came back
+<adi|work>      jesus..
+<adi|work>      just tested the playlist with 2000 line file
+<adi|work>      that sucker flys :)
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<PsycoXul>      Loadding...
+<adi|work>      and i love the variable scroll
+<PsycoXul>      Complete.
+<PsycoXul>      2641 files
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<adi|work>      hehe i don't even see the Loading in the sim ;)
+<PsycoXul>      i just wish this playlist would actualy
+<PsycoXul>      you know...
+<PsycoXul>      play
+<PsycoXul>      :p
+<adi|work>      heheh hmmm odd
+<PsycoXul>      yeah it just loads
+<adi|work>      shuffle core dumps the sim
+<PsycoXul>      here it says "Shuffling..
+<PsycoXul>      Done."
+<adi|work>      yeah.. but i let it go and it cores...
+<PsycoXul>      damn
+<PsycoXul>      even at 70% bass i get some clipping
+<adi|work>      on the player?
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<PsycoXul>      what happened man... heh
+<adi|work>      ahh.. i only have recorder :(
+<PsycoXul>      last day of last month i tried it
+<PsycoXul>      and the browser was a little slow but there was no oversensitivity
+<PsycoXul>      and you could crank the bass all the way without any clipping and it sounded good
+<PsycoXul>      now its all oversensitive and clipping in the bass heh
+<adi|work>      hehehe fix it ;)
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+<PsycoXul>      this one soundtrack too, the first track locks rockbox up
+<PsycoXul>      tried it like 3 or 4 times
+<adi|work>      hehehe
+<PsycoXul>      just freezes with the browser display still on it
+<PsycoXul>      yeah it is odd, the rest of the tracks in it seem to work fine
+<adi|work>      we're violating memory somewhere in the sim...
+<adi|work>      tracking it down
+<PsycoXul>      so like i think from interface end that it'd be nice if it wants to stay in the playing-file-info-display while its playing
+<PsycoXul>      and stop from there will stop it and return to browser while some other button or combo can switch between that and the browser while its still playing
+<PsycoXul>      at least on the player, i know the recorder's got different buttons so it can behave different ways appropriate to it, but this makes sense to me on the player
+<adi|work>      damn it.. i dont know what it is...
+<adi|work>      but the sim is definatly bugging out
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+<PsycoXul>      so yeah i should like make some animated icons for the player or something 
+<PsycoXul>      hmm the firmware's shutoff in archos' firmware is faster than the hard one that works with rockbox
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+<g003y> ahh back again :D
+<g003y> psyco - did you get that garbage display resolved?
+<adi|work>      umm... day before last i think
+<g003y> he was having a problem earlier though
+<g003y> today that is
+<PsycoXul>      well i think zagor was looking into it
+<PsycoXul>      or not
+<PsycoXul>      but there was a split and when it returned he didn't come back with it
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<PsycoXul>      so i dunno whats going on
+<g003y> oh ok
+<g003y> I wasn't able to reproduce it, but I don't think I followed your steps exactly
+<PsycoXul>      er? steps?
+<PsycoXul>      the problem is with some directories
+<g003y> only some.... hmmmm
+<PsycoXul>      right
+<PsycoXul>      a few of them display weird things instead of what they are
+<PsycoXul>      and the weird things they display are always the same, between reboots, different compiles, different versions, etc
+<PsycoXul>      except one of them has changed a little between versions
+<g003y> hmmmm.... very strange.  I was trying to see it happen on my player, but no go
+<g003y> ah well Zagor will figure it out :D
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+<dwihno>        hello gooey
+<g003y> heya
+<dwihno>        waaazaaaap? :)
+<g003y> just trying to get a sourceforge account
+<g003y> but I didn't have my alias right so I imagine the verification email bounced or is relaying somewhere :D
+<dwihno>        oops :)
+<g003y> heh... thats what I get for having two alias files :D.  damn backups.
+<dwihno>        yeah, backups are a pain in the ass ;)
+<g003y> hehehe
+<g003y> guess I will just wait and see what happens.
+<dwihno>        yeah
+<dwihno>        Have you done any productive stuff for rockbox? :)
+<g003y> not today
+<g003y> I'm trying to get my account setup so I can submit what I have at least 
+<g003y> talked with Zagor and he liked my ideas
+<g003y> so I guess I will jam some code soon
+<g003y> that and try to finish gta3 one day :D
+<dwihno>        ah
+<dwihno>        gta3? is it possible to finish that game? :)
+<g003y> man... I tell ya.  it always ends up in a game of how long can I live with x number of stars :D
+<g003y> I'm still only on the second island
+<dwihno>        Island?
+<dwihno>        Hmm
+<dwihno>        I haven't even played it ;)
+<g003y> ahhh
+<g003y> worth a play at least once
+*       dwihno has not even got a computer anymore
+<g003y> what are you in a lab or something?
+<dwihno>        nope, work :)
+<dwihno>        or whateveryoucallit ;)
+<g003y> no computer man.  I feel for ya
+<g003y> ghahahahah
+<g003y> the spice mines
+<dwihno>        hehe
+<dwihno>        I'm awaiting money from an invoice...
+<dwihno>        Then I'll get myself a kick-arse-evil-shiznat portable thingy
+<g003y> ahhhh... you waiting on the ones with the nice nvidia/ati 3d cards in them?
+<g003y> or something even more portable than a laptop?
+<dwihno>        Nah, it's a laptop alright
+<dwihno>        With a geforce4 go chip
+<dwihno>        I can't live without q3a! :)
+<g003y> oh yeah thats sweet
+<dwihno>        But I've been waiting for this invoice for almost a month now and I'm running out of patience
+<elinenbe>      dwihno: I just got the toshiba 5105-s607 and it is incredible
+<g003y> geez.... surely it isn't hard to pay up.
+<dwihno>        elinenbe: That purple thing?
+<elinenbe>      well, more blue, but it is incredible
+<dwihno>        Yeah
+<elinenbe>      except for the battery life.
+<dwihno>        I bet it is :)
+<elinenbe>      that is the only thing I could complain about.
+<dwihno>        It's a monster! :)
+<elinenbe>      It is great.
+<dwihno>        It's perversion at its greatest ;)
+<elinenbe>      much faster/better/etc. then my old HUGE tower.
+<dwihno>        What is the hardware specs?
+<elinenbe>      1.7 P4 mobile
+<elinenbe>      512 ram
+<elinenbe>      40 gig hard drive
+<dwihno>        sweet stuff :)~
+<elinenbe>      15 inch 1600x1200 resolution monitor (easily the sharpest brightest monitor I have EVER used)
+<g003y> oh yeah.... you guys are making me horny with those specs :D
+<elinenbe>      and I have had a 21 inch flat screen sony for a while.
+<dwihno>        :)
+<elinenbe>      flat CRT that is...
+<elinenbe>      GREAT speakers including a SUBWOOFER!! (no joke!)
+<elinenbe>      it is just incredible.
+<elinenbe>      I went through 3 laptops getting this one.
+<dwihno>        The dell-box I'm gonna get is a 1.6 P4-M, 512 RAM, 30 (or 40) gig drive.... And 1400xsomething screen
+<elinenbe>      first a HP, then a Gateway, then this.
+<elinenbe>      and this is BY far the best.
+<elinenbe>      8x dvd/cdr/cdrw
+<elinenbe>      usually 1450x1200
+<elinenbe>      or something like that
+<g003y> they do laptops with tfts at 1450x1200?
+<dwihno>        yeah
+<g003y> fucking eh
+<dwihno>        15.1" something
+<g003y> thats almost 1600x1200
+<g003y> and it all fits in a backpack :/
+<g003y> that just owns
+<dwihno>        yeah
+<dwihno>        But as everything else, there is a pricetag :(
+<dwihno>        I would get that toshiba if I was rich & famous
+<g003y> yeah I know... thats the hard part
+<g003y> hahahahahaha
+<dwihno>        But I'm neither rich or famous, so I guess the Dell will be perfect for me ;)
+<g003y> if I was rich and famous I'd have one of each in the computing world :D
+<elinenbe>      my laptop here is 1600x1200
+<elinenbe>      15.1 screen
+<elinenbe>      it is incredible.
+<dwihno>        :)~
+<dwihno>        Hey, you really know how to pickup ladies at the bar ;D
+<dwihno>        "I got myself a Toshiba evil laptop thingy!"
+<dwihno>        "Whoa, lemme see!"
+<g003y> "you wanna see my 15.1" baby?"
+<dwihno>        :)
+<dwihno>        Damn
+<dwihno>        Windows won't let me start indesign
+<dwihno>        *look through the process list for fishyness*
+<elinenbe>      on recorder: about 1.5 seconds for a 5000 song playlist, and then instant shuffle!
+<elinenbe>      wow!
+<dwihno>        whoa!
+<g003y> my playlist won't play though :(
+<dwihno>        KICK-ARSE!
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