From 216e50b3b66b8c8f15f4e06a6c9e535cb4b216c6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Robert Hak Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:07:19 +0000 Subject: updating irc logs git-svn-id: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk@996 a1c6a512-1295-4272-9138-f99709370657 --- www/irc/rockbox-20020614.log | 1303 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 1303 insertions(+) create mode 100644 www/irc/rockbox-20020614.log (limited to 'www/irc/rockbox-20020614.log') diff --git a/www/irc/rockbox-20020614.log b/www/irc/rockbox-20020614.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..0fbac0fd3d --- /dev/null +++ b/www/irc/rockbox-20020614.log @@ -0,0 +1,1303 @@ +**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 13 04:36:02 2002 + +--> stile (~adiamas@216.194.26.64) has joined #rockbox +--- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ +--- Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20 + after much thought and decision making.. ive decided.. ppl in general.. suck :) + you didn't already know? ;-) +<-- adi|home has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) + i just dind't know they sucked so bad +--- You are now known as adi|home + "just one more time, for the sake of sanity... tell me why, explain the gravity" +* Bagder sings along +* g003y wonders what song bagder is singing, and how is co-worker's feel about his voice + I play so loud in my headphones I can't hear them anyway ;-) + hahahahaha + and the song is an Assemblage 23 one +* Bagder doesn't expect anyone to know it + 4 on the floor techno? + I wouldn't call it techno, but rather dark and hard synth/industrial + ahhh... thats different. I'm talking the shit you hear in clubs that sounds like one big freaking record the dj never changes :D + ah, nah, I'm not into that kind + thats good :D + is there a key combo with the current firmware build that lets you get back to the currently playing song display? + I dunno + heck, I hardly know how to use it at all ;-) + hmmm.. I don't see one in the code so I'll assume no. + :D + I want my rockbox + :D + I want rockbox for recorder! :D + But I'm patient + So I'll just wait + And contribute to the project in every way I may :) + the day there's sound from the MAS3587, I'll run Rockbox non-stop + MAS3587? The chip in R20? + yeah + mkay + ahhh... I'm running my own personal build of rockbox right now :D + that's the spirit! + Yeah, playlist parsing, LCD flickering and a couple of other things and I'll use it too + it ain't cool if you didn't build it yourself ;-) + I saw some cvs comments about playlist parsing support + so I suspect that is nearing completion + or useable + the code is already there actually + ahh good deal + just not shuffle + fair enough + it "should" work now + I haven't loaded any yet + Bagder: any limitations? I mean, does it parse m3u's with #-style comments? + been awhile since I've used playlists to be honest + me neither, I have a recorder ;-) + dwihno: no comments, no + do regular m3us have them? + those are bastard m3us that nullsoft made the switch too. + well, ignoring lines like that would be dead simple to add + Bagder: Winamp store song information (length) every other line... + oh + yeah + sometimes I really hate the way they do things. + Is there a battery meter available yet? :) + nope :( + The scroller is way cool btw... Should be seamless though + that's a whole can of worms as they say + yeah I got the scroller api displaying the filename across the screen + at least until you dump out of that mode back to the browse mode :D + :-) + cool + I almost think ppl should be able to select/build in code for parsing their style mp3 naming, but that might be a beast nobody wants to cut loose + I'm gonna take a stab at that soonish + shortening the names on screen + hmm + hmmm + we should share notes :D + yeah + I always name mine XX. YYYYYYYYY (ZZZZ).mp3 + X = track number + Y = file name + Z = remix notes + Artist - Album (Year) + That's how I name the dirs + I think that is fairly common + it could be just a small handful defintions of formats that ppl could choose from with a sensible default just in case. + Does the current rockbox have any way of showing song length information? + Compared to the archos firmware, that is + it estimates the length for non VBRs + that's all so far + estimates based on header info correct? + yeps + but isn't that pretty much exact? + it is + should be at least + ahhh... + gotcha + it uses integer math too which might make it loose some precision + I haven't checked that closely + you're probably right + whats the problem with time display on vbrs? + we need to read the whole file to get the length + and it kind of sucks + Is there a quick way to do VBR estimation? + erhm + I'd say that sucks + that is sucky + I did not realize vbr sucked that way + As long as CBR's are OK ;) + ha.... + I'm torn between CBR and VBRs with r3mix options on lame. + Hey, what is displayed when songs are played? + id3 info with the current cvs tree + lcd_puts(0, 0, mp3.artist?mp3.artist:""); + lcd_puts(0, 1, mp3.title?mp3.title:""); + there ya go :D + oww + Doesn't it handle non-tagged files?! :( + you mean id3 info without id3? ;-) + hehehe + hehehehehehehe + mr. funny-ass pants ;) + I've got alternatives going on my local copy + so I'm sure it will be handled eventually + at least before the recorder version comes out :D + cool + haha +* Bagder puts the "in charge of the while-playing-song display" sticker on g003y + gagagagagagagagagag + hey that isn't coming off! + only problem is I don't have everything quite setup right here. I need to get an account and a real cvs login for the project + mail your sf account user name to Björn + I will though... I'd really like to contribute my code + oh... I've got to get an sf account as well :D + you can always start with mailing diffs + tru + e + I've just been syncing anon and patching my changes + it's not much so far, but I should get setup properly + I still can't believe how advanced the apis on the firmware are already + it's pretty cool indeed + alrighty guys. like Bagder I have to code boring stuff in a few hours at my day job. So I think some sleep is in order for me. + night g003y + night +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox + it seems as if Zagor has problems with the new hardware... it should've been up by now +<-- gregh has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) + cpu MHz : 1600.072 + [~] cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep MHz + cpu MHz : 232.674 + cpu MHz : 232.674 + There you got it + dual süstëëm + Dual is sleek, sexy and pr0no! :) + dual 1600 + cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz + cpu MHz : 1600.072 + cpu MHz : 1600.072 + you evil dude! + :) + its the new hardware that the rockbox site runs on + cool stuff + who pays the hw? + Contactor + the company I, Björn and Linus work for + Hire me :) + sure + Yay ;D + hehe + Why not? :) + I wish we could, but the market is a bit rough atm + I know + Are your employers aware of you spending a lot of time on the Rockbox project? + no :-) + I won't tell them + but then I must do my proper work properly anyway + Yeah + My recorder sometimes skips the initial 200 msecs of a song... + exactly 200? + Roughly + (with the stock firmware, that is) + Do you experience that on the player models? + (w, w/o rockbox) + no idea +--> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + hey ho + hi. back at last + 10:04 < Zagor> see you soon + ;) + yeah, well that's pc hardware for you... + the motherboard has two IDE LED connectors + if you connect the "wrong" one, the keyboard stops working... + that one took me a while to figure out... + Intel inside, Zagor outside + so, what have you guys been up to this morning? + We've been talking about how rockbox handles tags when the files do not have id3 tags :) + g00ey was around and told us he's done some improvements on the software for what to show while a track is playing + g003y + ok, did we get the code? + And I thought the scroller would be seamless + seamless? + Zagor: no, but he'll return + dwihno: what do you mean seamless? + I'll show + Zagor had a little lamb.mp3 + or had a little lamb.mp3 + a little lamb.mp3 + lamb.mp3 + This is how it is now + Zagor had a little lamb.mp3 + or had a little lamb.mp3 + not any more + a little lamb.mp3 Zagor + lamb.mp3 Zagor had a littl + This is what it might be like :) + you run old code + it is seamless now + mkay + upgrade! ;-) + OLD?! + It's 24 hours old man! :) + Or perhaps 48 + yeah, i fixed that last night + hehe + that's stone-age code! :) + :-) + Did you take a peek at the LCD glitch? + umm, remind me please? + When scrolling across pages, the LCD did glitch + Like old un-doublebuffered stuff :) + Where is your lamb btw? + ah, well we don't know why that happens. and yes, it is single buffered. we don't have two. + lamb? + yeah + http://www.jupither.net/dw/ <-- like that, on that page ;) + Zagor: you tried the id3 info Magnus mention on the list? + id3 info bug + i haven't read my mail yet, doing it now + oh + R-r-r-roockboooox! + We need an anthem! + yeah, the boot song! ;-) + brb +<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") +--> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + Bagder: you got it! :) + The Rockbox-choir and the London philharmonic orchestra ,D + haahah + Maybe I can pull a few strings ;) + Get it? + Strings :) + *moo haw haw* + mr joker ;-) + :) + wooo, project activity stats on freshmeat + really + I meant graphs + "Rating: 8.54/10.00 (1 vote)" + how can one vote give average 8.54? + hehe + Magic math (tm) + hey, I'm that single voter + on rockbox + this virus epidemic is getting seriously annoying + Total (weighted) 8.54/10.00 + "weighted" is the keyword I gues + guess + Zagor: yes, but cut down the allowed size and it won't be as troublesome + good point. 50k max now + Klez virus mails are always >100K, at least those hundreds that I've got + min plugin_teamkill funkar iaf, ser jag + uh, wrong channel :( +--> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox + hey jedix + hey +* dwihno is rather happy now + 4 of 5 projects are in the "no work to do" area of my list :D + and the fifth is "Implement asteroids on Rockbox" ? + :-P + hehe + not really + darn + I have no computer to work on sparetime projectgs + Which is rather nasty + I mean, I'm actually getting a tan! :( + sun gives you cancer + I know! I need some way to stay indoors! + compile, link, upload, flash, run, watch problem, edit, save => LOOP + (my whole day in summary) +--> liam_ (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox +--- liam_ is now known as jedix` + flash? + flash rom + mkay + I don't even have a debugger on my darned target + have to fill my code with printf() + What is the target hardware? + strongarm 1110 + whoa + no, its no whoa ;-) + jees, it iis + timeout jedix +<-- jedix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +--- jedix` is now known as JediX + whats new? +--- JediX is now known as jedix + not very much +--- dwihno is now known as dw|gone + fixing randomize menu option now + neat + NEATO ZAGOR! All your box are belong to rock! + I'm off. Have a nice evening and try to stay indoors - the sun will cause cancer! + I'd suggest you call it "shuffle" and not random + good idea + where do I find the currently loaded list? + it's a global struct in playlist.c + ok +* Zagor wants current_tick in simulator... :) + i'll just use time() instead + for seed + it doesn't really matter + just increase the current + or something + i'll use the tick. otherwise it'll be the same every first time after boot + right + oops, core in playlist + after 1002 lines + ah + there's a 1000 max + oh + i thought it was 10000 ? + without any checks for it ;-) + yeah, but I just used one + raise it now + will do + adding check, too :) + wooo + what's index_array used for? I don't see it + uh, remove ;-) + ok + Zagor: why did you have to rewrite my scroll stuff? + I chose a slightly different approach, that's all + there was nothing wrong with your code + to be able to do the new type of scroll, I sprintf the text into a string and then puts the string. + for the new shuffle to be useful, we need a "next tracj" button + track + we could use that for playlist without shuffle too ;-) + yep + too bad we are out of buttons :) + well + we should have a special "screen" for showing while playing a track, right? I mean if we're not browsing the tree? + yes we should. so you could go in and out between the browser and this screen + right + i.e. we need some UI work + might want to save that for 1.2 though + fair enough + and if we play a track and idle in the tree browser, we could timeout back to the show-track-screen + which I believe the archos firmware does + we could, but I'm not sure I'd want it to. definitely a configurable option :) + yes + the play-screen will be useful since it'll give more control of back/skip and volume up/down + which isn't as easily available when tree browsing + exactly +<-- jb1081 has quit ("[x]chat") +--> jb1081 (~jb1081@lime.ircam.fr) has joined #rockbox + the shuffle menu should probably say something if no playlist was loaded + right + I suspect people will do that + I wonder how fast the playlist loader is on target + I mean, compared to the original archos one + i'd suspect somewhere in the order of 100 times faster :) + it would be really cool +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB848.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox + hi + hi! + hmm... (maybe a stupid question... but..) would it be possible to write a keybard driver for the jukebox so we can plug in a usb keyboard :? + no + too sad.. why not? + we can't use the USB for anything like that + for what reason? + it's out of reach + damn. + like a linux console on the recorder would rock ;) +* Bagder puts a curl release together + we can connect a keyboard to the remote control port + hmm on the remote port... sounds good... :) + Then I would have to build my own remote port.. but for a keyboard - no problem :) + you need to build a serial converter for the keyboard, but the rest should be simple + there are serial converter chips, right? (i dont have much knowledge about hardware unfortunately) + yup. just like the gdb cable + tested now. my 4500 line file takes about 5-6 seconds to load + that's just totally awesome + indeed + but it'll be faster with some simple adjustments to playlist.c + like what? + it should be loading 512-byte blocks, not 255 +--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox + ah right + fixing... + 'ello + lol ... now it takes like 5 secs for a 30 song playlist :P + hi + yeah, the stock firmware is shockingly slow at loading playlists + painfully slow. + so slow -- I usually take a dump, shower, and shave before it loads my 3 song playlist. + also, we should accept both / and \ as separators. i suspect winamp creates files with \ + elinenbe: Zagor just tested, we load a 4500 song playlist in 5-6 seconds + that is great. + we are now talking full disk shuffle? + yes we are + yeah + Zagor: we might get problems with paths too when we talk about files created by external programs + yep. C:\my music\... + :) + yah + I am just wondering... what is the status on playing sound on the AJBR + Linus is working on that + we should include Linus in our prayers ;-) +--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + I was wondering... does anyone else ever get the reversed screen on the recorder? + hey ironi + reversed screen? + even the rockbox bmp is reversed + Bagder: ? + hey Bagder + huhu? + gosh + Bagder: do u use emacs a lot? + where everything is flipped. + ironi: nah, only 10-12 hours a day ;-P + Bagder: my irc script supports emacs commands + like you are looking at a mirror image of the screnn. + isnt that totally elite + =) + elinenbe: and that happens every now or then or can you repeat it on demand? + no, happens every now and then. + not only is the screen mirrored, but it is offset about 16 pixels. + it sounds if there's some lcd init we dont do + to the right. + no... that happens with the archos fimrware too. + ah + on the recorder. + then it might be a defect hardware perhaps + hm then thats a hardware bug (?) + yeah I dont know if anyone else ever gets that. + i have a recorder. never ever got that. + I've never seen it either + i have a player, and I lvoe the double size text + hehe + the browsing and the scrolling are so FAST + i just love this + hehe + I want to contribute som uch + is the double size text an option on the player rockbox? + you have already: the web site! + but there is still an error with how directories are displayed, though. + at least for me + elinenbe: yeps + elinenbe: the new models use it as logo + nice :) + ironi: what error is that? + Zagor: well let me try to explain + the scrolling through a directory is quite slow on the recorder -- and there is quite a bit of flicker. + my dir that is called F-J + elinenbe: yes, we're not sure why + is displayed as F-J1 q|| r + ironi: which version is this? + but only whgen scrolling down + if i go down and go back up its F-J + Zagor: the latest? + i got it last night + this morning? + I was wondering -- does this sound like something that is a good idea: instead of scrolling only the title that the cursor is on, scroll everything on the current screen that is wider then the screen? + no last night + lemme get this mornings + ironi: please do + an optional go to usb mode yes/no would be pleasant + when plugging it in + elinenbe: well, i have to ask "why?" :) + that would be terribly confusing on fast scroll + well, lets say you have 10 songs named "Red Hot Chili Peppers - Songname 1 + hmm, maybe we should do the vertical recorder scroll using bitmap instead redrawing the chars + "Red Hot Chili Peppers - Songname 2 + etc... + hm + Zagor: that's a good idea + elinenbe: ah, you mean scroll all lines and not just one? + and you want to play a certain one. + im thinking of something + yes. + that moving through a dir in the player should give movement on every push + we could try + if it were a bitmap scroll, then couldn't you easily do pixel by pixel? + elinenbe: yes we could + i.e. not just moving the arrow down if its on top when scrolling down the first one + it confuses me totally + ironi: hehe. well yes there is lots of UI work left :) + i have to go now, they're closing the office! + Zagor: can i be the UI general, please please please + see you tomorrow, everyone + =) + ok so lets see the newset build + same error +* Bagder hands ironi the UI boss hat + hehe + i wan tso much to be in the credz =) + *waNNABE* + anyway + we'll add you for the web site + hehe cool =) + anyway + the browsing should have a slight delay + gotta run, bye +<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") + what do you mean by the browsing should have a slight delay? + later. + cause now when i push i scroll by 3 rows like nothing + with a 2-row display this is very annoying + right + the buttons are a bit sensitive + yeahm, thats the least you could say + the scrolling should be settable from 1-10 + everything over 15 is totally underadable, isnt it + ...not on the recorder ;-) + hehe ;) + the menu button should have like a 0.3 second delay when pushed + i.e. you need to hold it for that time +* edx looks down to his recorder and smiles.. + to activate + I like the recorder at 25 + oh really? ok. well 5 is neat fo rme + 6 manybe + is there any saving of values to the disk yet? + no + oh really + well how will this be saved? + how si that going to be handled? + just a textfile + config file + is it possible to implement that + sure + cause hten we could move on and make a filehandler + in an unused sector -- like the default firmware does it? + that can make dirs, copy, delete + =))) + hehe maybe a bit of an overkill + I like the idea of an ascii config file. + i would love to be able to read txt-files + lovely to make notes for grocery shopping hah + contribution time! + it sahould be possible to make a game for the player too + am i wqrong or is the disk read alot shorter with rockbox firmware? + when entering new dirs + dunno + gotta run, see ya tomorrow + have you ever played arkanoid? + later. + go home. +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox + that would be able to do on the player + =) + a vertical arcanoid + that would be nice. + elinenbe: do you know how to set it up to be able to compile everyitng in windows? + no. I was messing around with it. + but I guess over the last few days, a bunch has been done to it. + ok + you need to use nmake. + i think i will do linux trough vmware maybe + kinda easier + follow the directions on the web page -- they are easy to follow. + im more used to compile in linux so ill jsut stick to that + and play around with vmware at the same time hehe +--- edx is now known as edx|homework +<-- ironi has quit (" ") +<-- jedix has quit ("brb") +--> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox + there is no auto-off in the AJBR Rockbox. +--- WetBed is now known as Wettoad + of course you know that already... +<-- edx|homework has quit ("be right back") +--> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB848.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox +--- edx is now known as edx|studying + hmmm does the recorder version play songs yet? +--> plmirc (xxxx@Mix-Puteaux-104-1-73.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #rockbox + HI at All ! + well... :-| + yo +--- edx|studying is now known as edx + Bye at all... + bye + :) + lol +<-- plmirc (xxxx@Mix-Puteaux-104-1-73.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #rockbox + heh +<-- jedix has quit ("gone") +--> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + rehi ;) + hi + Zagor: does the playback work on the recorder? + not yet + k + (didnt work for me.. that's why i'm asking) + i modified the makefile so it compiles on windows (but it wont compile on linux with that makefile anymore..) + we gotta make a makefile for windows & linux + (not now.. sometime later.. ;) ) + what did you change? + i removed the dependency stuff + oh... + (scripting does not work in windows..) + no sh.exe + i know + at least i get a compiled file that actually works... + we could also create a makefile.win32 or something (for win32 users who want to compile the firmware..) + yes + maybe that will be easier than having a linwin file... + also, i think the if statements dont work under windows. + (i had to remove them to get the recorder code compiled..) + are you using nmake? + no + i use the make that comes with the GNUSH tool chain + nmake really is a whole different story + what does "make --version" report? + GNU Make version 3.78.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath. + Built for Windows32 + what does it say when you have the if lines? + nothing, it just does not do what inside the if lines... + (though it should) + what = what is + ok + how far is rolo btw (is it even developed at the moment?) + no, we haven't started with it yet. + ok... because if we had that I could at least put rockbox on there to play (and still listen to music heheh) + right now rolo will play a pretty important role, specially for those people who are unsure whether to use rockbox or the archos mod + i know, i want rolo too. it's just we don't have unlimited manpower :) + true. + If I could i'd help but I guess I have to little low-level experience... + the file must be read to ram and then.. the instruction pointer set to that location (correct me if i am totally wrong) + your helping very much already, with the win32 stuff + yes, but there are "a few" other things too :) + (yea.. must be the correct place in ram etc..) + and the rolo must be deleted out of ram i guess (because the archos mod wants to use all of the ram and is designed for that i guess) + anyways.. nice revery hehe + yes, rolo will be overwritten by the mod + ok + i gotta get some sleep... last class test for this school year tomorrow :D + cya all + bye +<-- edx has quit ("good night") + heh + so who thinks they might want to get rolo rolling? +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox + heya all + hi +--> Zagor_ (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox +<-- Zagor has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +--- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor + I always have to go back to that dang nick reference :D + hehe + you guys on the other side of the pond are still up? + I'd like to use "Bjorn", but unfortunately it's registered to someone else + yeah, it's 22:55 here + yeah I just randomly typed g003y into trillian :D + hehe + Zagor - Bagder told me to get an SF account setup and talk to you about getting ssh cvs access. + you the man for that ? + yep + cool + I've been working on some stuff locally + yeah? + playing around with displaying filenames and such as songs play + getting my head around the api + more apps stuff + ok, nice + I'm not a hardware guy like all yousese :D. But I know C and applications :D + anyway I was looking at adding a real primitive display format + right now I can compile with support for scrolling the filename or using the current behavior + it actually works nicely thanks to those wonderful scrolling apis :D + :) + so I was thinking of having just a couple of different things we can support + with playing file display + sure + id3 info being one + scrolling filename being another + but potentially a way to instruct the play how to disect your filename/directory structure to build id3 like information on the screen + play == player + yes, that'd be good + but the real question right now is.... + should I make it a compiled in option or something that could be configured through settings? + settings, definitely + ok cool. + that is how I would prefer it + anyway I will get an sf account email ya + ok + BTW - your cross compiler buld instructions worked first shot for me. + nice! + took me about 5 minutes to get up and running + I'm on win32 using cygwin as well + one other question for you. Whats the deal with the battery display? I've only started logging recently and haven't dug through all the old logs yet + we have no battery display yet + I noticed :D + but is it an unknown thing + measuring battery capacity is a whole science in itself + ahhh + so we're putting that off a bit until the basic stuff works + cool + g003y: how do you use the make files in win32? + I do everything through the bash shell cygwin provides + so technically I use the *nix like make + but if you're attempting the uisimulator compile then you need to use nmake + from a dos window + oh -- how does that work? I am not familiar with the bash shell that comew with cygwin + did you download the source tarball or use wincvs + are you just trying to get the firmware configured? + I sync to current with wincvs + but I started with the tarballs + well, I want to be able to compile the firmware. + ok + cygwin gives you a little batch file you double click + that gives you a shell right? That is bash + from there you would build the cross compiler as Bjorn has put together on the website + I know bash and linux + I tried the GNU-SH toolkit, but it just wasn't cutting it for me + ok good well cygwin gives you the same stuff basically + I was just unfamiliar with the bash shell that is makes for windows. + it's close, but not exactly the same + just use the batch file they plop on the desktop and it will put you in your home directory + from there it will feel more familiar + ok + setup all your normal include stuff and everything + did you just follow the directions on the web page? + then just do the configure & compile + http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/sh-win/ + yeah except + no not that one + I couldn't get compiles to work with that tool kit + not what? + oh, so what toolkit did you use? + http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html + I followed those directions + inside of a cygwin win32 bash shell + GNU-SH just wouldn't fly for me + well, where did you dl the cygwin bash shell. + ? + http://www.cgywin.org/ + just go for the installer + ok. thanks so much. + get the packages you need to get yourself started + though you won't need newlib compiled in + so you can drop that bit + after cygwin does it's thing you will need to recompile gcc with the sh1 extensions + the page you speak of is http://www.cygwin.com/ + ok + oh yeah d....o....t....com + :D + anyway you will need gcc to get to gcc 3.x with sh1 + so, you just downloaded the gcc and installed as per insturction on http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html? + yup + minus newlib + hmm + why not newlib? + we aren't using it any more + ah + cool + IDK - I saw on the mailing list not to use it + just a few header files are still needed + there ya go :D + ok -- great. Thanks so much. + no prob +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + hey bro + hey + heh... so you guys are related? + yeah, we're brothers + the playlist loader reads around 1000 lines per second. that's not bad! + thats pretty damn good + it's so darned cool + sure is + so the shuffle stuff works now? + umm, haven't tried it yet. the batteries in my player are empty (and the charger circuit is busted) + i have only tested on the recorder so far + it should go even faster on the player, since it's clocked faster + not very much, though + about 9% + I'll give it a try tonight when I recompile + I have a player + neato + ok + we need the playlist tested a bit + I'm just at my day job right now coding less interesting crap + g003y: so what kind of stuff do you work with? + a mixture of win32 & *nixes + C, perl asp... whatever needs to be done mostly + most of our FEs are IIS + ueck :) + but lots of the behind the scenes is unixy + hey I even hop on the g4 once and awhile to pretend I have a flipper for the mouse button :D + hehe + :-) + http://freshmeat.net/stats/#vitality +* Bagder smiles + hehe + I don't see rockbox there yet :D + j (score: 44,252 - 36.97%) + A programmer's editor written in Java. + that is up there, but VI or VIM is not? + it's a new rating system, there hasn't been a lot of votes yet + ahhhhh... gotcha + vitality isn't based on that + ah, yes that was vitality + but it requires rather frequent releases + vi has vitality 0.01% :) + gotcha + vim is at 0.51% + so more stable projects tend to get less "vital" + rockbox is at 0.00 + well how is popularity rated? + I honestly don't know how any of those numbers are calculated + "The popularity score superseded the old counters for record hits, URL hits and subscriptions. Popularity is calculated as (record hits * URL hits * (subscriptions + 1))^(1/3)." + oh + curl = Popularity: 12.84% (Rank 100) + "The vitality score for a project is calculated like this: (announcements * age) / (last_announcement)" + oh there is the link I was looking for that zagor kindly regurigiated for me :D + hehe +* Zagor is trying to get used to mutt... + mutt is nice + unfortunately I haven't converted yet + i've used elm and thenpine for the last 10 years, so it's hard for me to change + I've built my whole life around pine ;-) + hahahahahaha + Zagor: so what's left for a 1.1 release? + nothing, really. I just want to test it a bit more. + ok + just checking ;-) + i'm thinking maybe "Shuffle" should be an "on/off" option rather than an action + yes + and possible a "reshuffle" as an action + so you set it before you start the playlist + possibly + yeah + did you time the shuffle of 4500 songs? + or didn't you try it? + i did. 5120 songs takes just under 5 seconds + yes, to read from a file, right? + oh, the shuffle. hang on... + I meant only the shuffle part + it's very quick. sub-second i think + that is great + tested now. it's like 0.5 seconds. + schweet + it makes me feel really warm inside that our thoughs prove to be working so good + yes, i agree + and this means 1.1 will be a real alternative for some people. still very unpolished, but with one killer feature + yeah + shuffle that blows archos' effort out of the water? + fast and big playlists + I thought you were talking just shuffle there + archos don't do shuffling like this, so there's no real comparison. + another killer feature? + but they do load playlists, at a horrible speed + the playlist stuff is horrible on theirs + the huge playlist support is our killer feature + they've got features, but sacrificed speed + yeah thats great + whats its limit? memory? heh + or hd space? + or what + we set a 10000 entry limit + they probably just do it "The Wrong Way" + memory is the limit, since we need to hold one integer per entry + heh + I thought the integer solution was quite crafty. + I believe archos is doing something far nastier with memory usage + I like it + oooh yes... + just watching the time it takes to load a playlist indicates something really nasty + so have any of the archos ppl contacted the group about this project in any way? + nope + they ignore us vehemently :) + you're making their dev team look bad :D + hehe + we've gone from completely *nothing* to this point in ~6 months + fricking good stuff :) + all the code is written since april... + hehe + can you run a simulated player? + yes + it just died so hard on me + but I get a lot of those X errors + I can't even close gdb now! + The program is running. Exit anyway? (y or n) y + that happened to me too the other day + Error accessing memory address 0x4018d664: No such process. + doh! + ouch + had to kill it manually from another terminal + hm + ok + sorry wrong window :D + dang trillian makes that stuff confusing :D + it just does not work here + odd + all I see is the initial screen + and nothing more happens + trillian hung a win2k box solid for me the other day. i ain't touching that stuff again :) + "ROCKbox" "CVS" + I run trillian on win2k connected to IRC, AIM, ICQ and YIM. I can't live without it anymore :D + but the recorder version runs just fine + how do I switch thread in gdb? + hehe + no archos dir + moooh + I made one now + and... + Segmentation fault (core dumped) + bomb baby bomb! + it shouldn't crash so hard for that + user error? :D + lcd_puts_scroll() + #0 0x401ed897 in strlen (str=0x1
) + at ../sysdeps/i386/strlen.c:27 + #1 0x804e8e1 in lcd_puts (x=1, y=0, str=0x1
) + at ../../firmware/drivers/lcd.c:501 + #2 0x804f04f in lcd_puts_scroll (x=1, y=0, + string=0x1
) at ../../firmware/drivers/lcd.c:773 + #3 0x804d37e in dirbrowse (root=0x8050e7f "/") at ../../apps/tree.c:243 + later guys. you fucking rock! (off to do some database modelling and design!) + see ya elinenbe + cya + Zagor: I have a completely empty dir + i'll test + i got the crash too + tree.c line 243 + ah, of course. silly me + any empty dir will crash it + yeah + fixed +* Bagder updates + better + but what is the question mark doing there? + it's the cursor + ah + special char on player + we should fake that better in the simulator + yup + i also want icons in the player simulator soon... + true + shouldn't be too hard + I like the scroll + yeah, it's nice. your idea was better. + I think so too, it fills better + the code is actually simpler for this scroll than the previous model + hey somebody wanna post a current-cvs new-player build i can try out? i haven't messed with it since i went on vacation + sure + http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/player/archos.mod + thanks + hmm ok + that doesn't update the LCD at all after the rom firmware boot screen + wrong lcd version? + uh, it doesn't? + duh, I gave you an old player version. sorry + heh + grab it again + nice + try starting a playlist + that mod for the 4.50+ player hardware? + yup + ok + i've only got a couple of short playlists saved on here heh + booo ;-) + get those perl scripts out :D + i'm not one for listening to the same set over again + :p + hehe + make a list of the whole disk + how do you start the playlist? + play + ha! + hmm + no go? + it just says loading nnn files, complete + and thats it + doesn't start playing? + no + format of playlist affect it? + the display isn't supposed to say title or anything. but it's supposed to play the files. + odd. works in the sim + they're playlists that archos' firmware saved + heh + they should be fine + ah, how did you make those playlists? + _should_ is the keyword in that sentence + hehe, of course + i bet there are backslashes and/or disk names in there? + I don't think so + mine didn't + zagor - what format does the code expect? + lemme look at what they look like + normal / slash + forward slashes, no C: + CR-LF combo? + or just LF? + either way + ah + its broke + I was just about to try it, but not now :D + ./Nine Inch Nails/The Fragile/Left/01 - somewhat damaged.mp3 + kill the leading dot + initial dot huh? :-) + Zagor: the code doesn't work with CRLF right now + ok + heh that shouldn't be a problem :p + and they're dos format text too +* PsycoXul makes a whole-disk playlist + oh damnit whats find's problem +* PsycoXul runs it through sort + thats better + i noticed directories that start with a . don't show up in the browser + you can't have that in fat32, can you? + yeah i've got a few of them + just cause they also don't show up in archos' browser and they have either oggs or mp3's that are silent for no apparent reason on the archos [or maybe just with archos' firmware, i haven't tried them with rockbox] + ok + i need to test that. we don't do any filtering so that's a bug + Zagor: is the fs code totally case insensitive? + it should be, but there may be bugs + ok + it just struck me + umm, no. it's totally sensitive + bad move :) + dang + buh, now we need to add strnicmp to common/ + heh + strncasecmp() ? + yes + (I'm just nitpicking on the name) + i know :) + ok my complete playlist ends up 2641 tracks + try loading it. you'll like it :) + ok, I'm off. See ya mañana +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox + hmm + still doesn't play + /Ac-Dc/Back In Black/01-Hells Bells.mp3 + format, unix-style text + ok + hmm after i started playing a file and pressing stop to go back to the browser, the ui sorta paused with a jerky scroll of the file it was on, for a second or two before letting me do anything + different question (sorry to hijack) - Is there a way to go back to the playing display after exiting back to the browser? + and bass over 70% has nasty clipping on this AC/DC song heh, even at lower volumes + g003y: thats a good question + and there's still random files that get displayed with junk names + directories anyways i dunno about files actualy + g003y: currently there is no way to do that + PsycoXul: that might be short FAT names. I haven't been able to test those much. + zagor - hmm... how about like a fetaure that returns to it when a user has idled on pressing buttons or would that be overdoing it? + i don't like the machine to decide things on its own. i think a simple toggle button is better + I believe button combos are precious on the player. + ok + sounds fair to me + i think this one is called 'disc 2 misc' or something i dunno about the white spaces or if tehy're -'s or _'s, i forget, but it displays as 'isk_2_-_02_-_' + check to be sure + oh i've probably got it on the playlist i've just made so i can look at that heh + ah its actualy 'disc3-misc' + heh + and how is it displayed? + 'isk_2_-_02_0_' + er + 'isk_2_-_02_-_' + veeery odd + yeah and 'Beck' is displayed as 'Ozzy.m3u.m3u' + left over buffer garbage? + looks like it, yeah + and 'Adam Sandler' is 'HMC1 Y?? U?' the ?'s actualy being little 3's as if they're being cubed heh + it's the fat32 driver + psyco- is that only happening on playlists for you? + no its the display of these directories in the browser + oh sorry + and these funky names are consistant + I thought it was the filenames + they're always these heh + heh... well at least it's consistent + though the adam sandler one the little 3's used to be other chars in older rockbox versions heh + I think zagor is jamming over some fat32 code right now as we speak :D + what, me? :) + oh 'Misc-junk' also displays as 'Pilots.m3u' + and you know whatever else heh + hmm + and i go into the recycled dir + where theres some wav files + and i select one + and then stop it + this is not short-name issues. misc-junk is 9 chars == longname + and then press stop again to leave the recycled dir + and i get DH0 DH1 and INFO2 + displayed in the browser + eh? + I'm trying to reproduce it right now, but not much luck here + ok its also sometimes just going into the recycled dir + and sometimes leaving it + hmm unless they're actualy in there and the bounce is putting me into the first one + well I need to gdb this, so it'll have to wait until the morning + ok i think thats whats going on with the DH0 DH1 and INFO2 things is just that i didn't see them there at first because of the button sensitivity so disregard that one + ok, good +<-- g003y has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- datazone has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- webmind has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PsycoXul has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PiotR has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Hadaka has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- Zagor has quit ("bye") +--> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox +--> webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox +--> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-43-243.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox +--> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox +--> Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox + well there most of them came back + jesus.. + just tested the playlist with 2000 line file + that sucker flys :) + yeah + Loadding... + and i love the variable scroll + Complete. + 2641 files + heh + yeah + hehe i don't even see the Loading in the sim ;) + i just wish this playlist would actualy + you know... + play + :p + heheh hmmm odd + yeah it just loads + shuffle core dumps the sim + here it says "Shuffling.. + Done." + yeah.. but i let it go and it cores... + damn + even at 70% bass i get some clipping + on the player? + yeah + what happened man... heh + ahh.. i only have recorder :( + last day of last month i tried it + and the browser was a little slow but there was no oversensitivity + and you could crank the bass all the way without any clipping and it sounded good + now its all oversensitive and clipping in the bass heh + hehehe fix it ;) +<-- Hadaka has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PsycoXul has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- webmind has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- datazone has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +<-- PiotR has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +--> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox +--> webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox +--> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-43-243.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox +--> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox +--> Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox + this one soundtrack too, the first track locks rockbox up + tried it like 3 or 4 times + hehehe + just freezes with the browser display still on it + yeah it is odd, the rest of the tracks in it seem to work fine + we're violating memory somewhere in the sim... + tracking it down + so like i think from interface end that it'd be nice if it wants to stay in the playing-file-info-display while its playing + and stop from there will stop it and return to browser while some other button or combo can switch between that and the browser while its still playing + at least on the player, i know the recorder's got different buttons so it can behave different ways appropriate to it, but this makes sense to me on the player + damn it.. i dont know what it is... + but the sim is definatly bugging out +--> elinenbe|school (elinenbe@sinan.ummu.umich.edu) has joined #rockbox +<-- elinenbe|school has quit (Client Quit) + so yeah i should like make some animated icons for the player or something + hmm the firmware's shutoff in archos' firmware is faster than the hard one that works with rockbox +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox + ahh back again :D + psyco - did you get that garbage display resolved? + umm... day before last i think + he was having a problem earlier though + today that is + well i think zagor was looking into it + or not + but there was a split and when it returned he didn't come back with it + heh + so i dunno whats going on + oh ok + I wasn't able to reproduce it, but I don't think I followed your steps exactly + er? steps? + the problem is with some directories + only some.... hmmmm + right + a few of them display weird things instead of what they are + and the weird things they display are always the same, between reboots, different compiles, different versions, etc + except one of them has changed a little between versions + hmmmm.... very strange. I was trying to see it happen on my player, but no go + ah well Zagor will figure it out :D +<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox +--- dw|gone is now known as dwihno +--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox + hello gooey + heya + waaazaaaap? :) + just trying to get a sourceforge account + but I didn't have my alias right so I imagine the verification email bounced or is relaying somewhere :D + oops :) + heh... thats what I get for having two alias files :D. damn backups. + yeah, backups are a pain in the ass ;) + hehehe + guess I will just wait and see what happens. + yeah + Have you done any productive stuff for rockbox? :) + not today + I'm trying to get my account setup so I can submit what I have at least + talked with Zagor and he liked my ideas + so I guess I will jam some code soon + that and try to finish gta3 one day :D + ah + gta3? is it possible to finish that game? :) + man... I tell ya. it always ends up in a game of how long can I live with x number of stars :D + I'm still only on the second island + Island? + Hmm + I haven't even played it ;) + ahhh + worth a play at least once +* dwihno has not even got a computer anymore + what are you in a lab or something? + nope, work :) + or whateveryoucallit ;) + no computer man. I feel for ya + ghahahahah + the spice mines + hehe + I'm awaiting money from an invoice... + Then I'll get myself a kick-arse-evil-shiznat portable thingy + ahhhh... you waiting on the ones with the nice nvidia/ati 3d cards in them? + or something even more portable than a laptop? + Nah, it's a laptop alright + With a geforce4 go chip + I can't live without q3a! :) + oh yeah thats sweet + But I've been waiting for this invoice for almost a month now and I'm running out of patience + dwihno: I just got the toshiba 5105-s607 and it is incredible + geez.... surely it isn't hard to pay up. + elinenbe: That purple thing? + well, more blue, but it is incredible + Yeah + except for the battery life. + I bet it is :) + that is the only thing I could complain about. + It's a monster! :) + It is great. + It's perversion at its greatest ;) + much faster/better/etc. then my old HUGE tower. + What is the hardware specs? + 1.7 P4 mobile + 512 ram + 40 gig hard drive + sweet stuff :)~ + 15 inch 1600x1200 resolution monitor (easily the sharpest brightest monitor I have EVER used) + oh yeah.... you guys are making me horny with those specs :D + and I have had a 21 inch flat screen sony for a while. + :) + flat CRT that is... + GREAT speakers including a SUBWOOFER!! (no joke!) + it is just incredible. + I went through 3 laptops getting this one. + The dell-box I'm gonna get is a 1.6 P4-M, 512 RAM, 30 (or 40) gig drive.... And 1400xsomething screen + first a HP, then a Gateway, then this. + and this is BY far the best. + 8x dvd/cdr/cdrw + usually 1450x1200 + or something like that + they do laptops with tfts at 1450x1200? + yeah + fucking eh + 15.1" something + thats almost 1600x1200 + and it all fits in a backpack :/ + that just owns + yeah + But as everything else, there is a pricetag :( + I would get that toshiba if I was rich & famous + yeah I know... thats the hard part + hahahahahaha + But I'm neither rich or famous, so I guess the Dell will be perfect for me ;) + if I was rich and famous I'd have one of each in the computing world :D + my laptop here is 1600x1200 + 15.1 screen + it is incredible. + :)~ + Hey, you really know how to pickup ladies at the bar ;D + "I got myself a Toshiba evil laptop thingy!" + "Whoa, lemme see!" + "you wanna see my 15.1" baby?" + :) + Damn + Windows won't let me start indesign + *look through the process list for fishyness* + on recorder: about 1.5 seconds for a 5000 song playlist, and then instant shuffle! + wow! + whoa! + my playlist won't play though :( + KICK-ARSE! +**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 00:29:46 2002 + -- cgit v1.2.3