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+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 21 22:49:19 2002
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+-->     adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-88.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox
+---     Topic for #rockbox is Does your box rock? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+---     Topic for #rockbox set by Bagder at Mon May 13 04:46:28
+---     You are now known as adi|home
+---     dw|gone is now known as dwihno
+-->     Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<dwihno>        Hail to the almighty LINUS!: D
+<Linus> Yo!
+<Linus> Where did you order your Archos? And did you order a Recorder?
+<dwihno>        I ordered it from Dustin
+<dwihno>        Yeah, a recorder model
+<dwihno>        I also ordered myself a new "dual optical" mouse from logitech ;D
+<Linus> Nice.
+<dwihno>        yeah :)
+<dwihno>        I just hope my expectations won't fail me ;)
+<Linus> Me too.
+<adi|home>      weclome back all :)
+<dwihno>        thanks
+<Linus> Hi adi!
+<dwihno>        I might get it today
+<dwihno>        (that is, if I'm _EXTREMELY_ lucky) ;)
+<PsycoXul>      btw the archos firmware does handle being turned off somehow, because custom firmware won't turn off with the power plugged in but archos firmware will
+<Linus> Oh. That's something we'll have to look into
+<dwihno>        PsycoXul: how extensivly have you been testing the new code on the actual hardware?
+<PsycoXul>      well lets see i threw it on there last night and didn't past ata_init() so uh not very? :p
+<Linus> Strange, that thing with the ATA...
+<Linus> PsycoXul: have you opened your box?
+<PsycoXul>      no
+<Linus> Ok.
+<dwihno>        heheh
+<dwihno>        Well, try to have a positive perspective - you at least got to ata_init() :)
+<dwihno>        Was it the first test on actual hardware you performed last night?
+<PsycoXul>      i've played with little pieces of code on the hardware a good amount
+<dwihno>        cool :)
+-->     Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>        hey ho
+<dwihno>        Hello Bagder! :D
+<Linus> Yo Bagder!
+<Bagder>        oh crap, Linus got here before me!!! :-)
+<dwihno>        :D
+<dwihno>        He was here REALLY early!
+<dwihno>        07:38 <Linus> Yo!
+<dwihno>        You can't beat that! :D
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Bagder>        I'm pretty often at work before that actually
+<Linus> But then he's so tired he can't even read or speak. :-)
+<Bagder>        its just a matter of coffee amounts :)
+<dwihno>        Hehe
+<dwihno>        The caffeine is your friend! :D
+<dwihno>        <-- just had his third cup of coffee
+<Linus> Björns donated player has an old display after all
+<Bagder>        ah
+<Linus> Version 4.13
+<Bagder>        did you get anything displayed on it?
+<Linus> Stone dead.
+<Linus> And the 4.13 display is stone dead when I pair it with Björns old CPU board.
+<dwihno>        It's stone'd ;)
+<adi|home>      btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit'
+<adi|home>      so we #defined the uisim to use the off button...
+<adi|home>      but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what?
+<adi|home>      i mean how else do you turn the unit off?
+*       Bagder has no clue
+*       adi|home draws a target on Bagder's forehead then poke's him in the bullseye
+-->     Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<adi|home>      speak of the devil...
+<Linus> I think the hardware traps the off button
+<adi|home>      hey.. zag
+---     Zagor_ is now known as Zagor
+<Zagor> eeeello
+<adi|home>      <adi|home> btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit'
+<adi|home>      <adi|home> so we #defined the uisim to use the off button...
+<adi|home>      <adi|home> but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what?
+<adi|home>      <adi|home> i mean how else do you turn the unit off?
+<Linus> eieio
+<adi|home>      like 20 secs ago
+<adi|home>      and sometimes y
+<Zagor> ah
+<dwihno>        YAY!
+<Zagor> well we don't know for sure
+<dwihno>        My Archos is in Umeå now!
+<Zagor> the recorder seems to simply go into powersave mode and not actually turn off 100%
+<dwihno>        I'm gonna get it today! :D
+<dwihno>        Oh joy!
+<adi|home>      really? thats just weird
+<adi|home>      and the player?
+*       dwihno starts bouncing around like a a playfull puppu
+<dwihno>        puppy ;)
+<Zagor> i don't know. we need to do some measurements
+<Linus> I don't think it's weird that it goes into powersave mode
+*       adi|home puts newspaper under dwihno
+<Linus> That way it can keep the settings in RAM
+<adi|home>      no.. what i mean is.. sholdn't both units?
+<adi|home>      i mean, why wouldn't the player as well?
+<Linus> i dunno
+<Linus> Maybe they designed it in a hurry
+<adi|home>      keep those answers up.. and im giving you a target too...
+<adi|home>      ;)
+<Linus> maybe the LCD display has no powersave mode
+<Linus> who knows?
+*       adi|home nods
+<adi|home>      okay.. im off to bed then.. long day tomorrow.
+<Zagor> night!
+<dwihno>        sweet dreams
+<Linus> COFFEEEEEE!
+<dwihno>        I'm way ahead of you Linus! :) Got my 4th cup!
+<adi|home>      and also.. its E.M.S. appreciation week here in the States.. so appreciate me damn it!
+*       adi|home giggles like a school girl
+<Bagder>        EMS?
+<adi|home>      Emergency Medical Services
+<Bagder>        aha
+<adi|home>      ppl that work on ambulances
+<adi|home>      volunteers here mostly
+*       Bagder appreciates ambulance-adiamas for a while
+<adi|home>      hehehe
+*       adi|home puffs up his chest proudly
+<adi|home>      nite agin
+<Linus> Gah!
+<Linus> The "new" display works with the "new" CPU board
+<Linus> So we night have *three* display types on our hands!
+<Bagder>        hmrpmf
+<Zagor> or at least combining old new cpu with old display wasn't as simple as we thought
+<Linus> Or it might be that it has nothing to do with the LCD at all.
+<Linus> Just incompatible boards
+<Linus> But how????
+<Linus> I wonder what's different...
+<Zagor> don't worry about that too much, it's not like anyone else is going to attempt it...
+<Linus> True. I'm just curious
+<Bagder>        you should still write down or post your findings, so that we have them saved for the future
+<Linus> And we still need to debug a New(tm) Player to find out what's different with the ATA interface
+<Zagor> yes
+-->     wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has joined #rockbox
+<Linus> Yo wav!
+<wavey> howdy linus
+*       Bagder crawls off to get coffee
+<--     Bagder has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.")
+-->     Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<dwihno>        1x2
+<dwihno>        I want my archos NOW!!! :)
+<dwihno>        What are you people going to eat for lunch today?
+<Bagder>        I think I'm up for chinese today
+<dwihno>        yum
+<dwihno>        noodles is always nice
+<dwihno>        NASIGORENG!
+<Zagor> today is sushi day
+<Zagor> btw, guys, I managed to exchange a few words with Tumm yesterday. he exists! ;)
+*       Bagder faints
+<dwihno>        Eww! Sushi! That's like, dead fish!
+<Linus> Well. It's almost alive!
+<dwihno>        Fried fish = yum yum
+<Zagor> barely dead :)
+<Linus> Wonderful!
+<Linus> Delicious!
+<Bagder>        I wish we had a sushi place around here
+<dwihno>        I wish I never have to see the evilness of the sushi
+*       dwihno sends some abborre-sushi to Zagor 
+---     Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch
+---     Linus is now known as Linus|lunch
+---     Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor
+---     Linus|lunch is now known as Linus
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: you here?
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<Zagor> have you opened your archos?
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<PsycoXul>      no i haven't
+<Zagor> ok. we're having a theory that perhaps your harddisk is jumpered as "slave"
+<PsycoXul>      fun
+<Zagor> it's not so bad, we just have to deal with it in ata_init() if that's the case. but it's a bit tricky to find out without opening your archos... :)
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<PsycoXul>      well i need to back it up [actualy mostly reorganize my HD copies to match the structure on the archos just so i can see that it really is backed up], and take it to best buy to get it serviced so they can remove the sticker and i don't have to worry about it
+<PsycoXul>      i wasn't planning on opening it till after that
+<Zagor> well maybe you don't have to. we could try just patching your code a bit and see what happens
+<Zagor> stand by :)
+<PsycoXul>      the power plugin does need to be resoldered or something i think, if i bump it while its plugged in it'll lose the contact
+-->     Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<PsycoXul>      but i can't test anything till tomorrow... gotta juggle HD's in a win98 box next to me to boot it to linux with my sh1 dev stuff and its too late tonight to be getting into that... 
+<Zagor_>        :-(
+<PsycoXul>      and i'm hopping in the shower now heh
+<Zagor_>        when you get the chance, try changing SELECT_LBA to 0x50 in ata.c
+<PsycoXul>      ok
+<--     Zagor has quit (card.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+---     Zagor_ is now known as Zagor
+<PsycoXul>      well i'll go take a shower and if its not too late after that then maybe i can
+<Bagder>        PsycoXul: where are you, geograpicly?
+<Zagor> pacbell.net hints US
+<dwihno>        I GOT MY ARCHOS IN MY HAND!
+<Bagder>        try the demos! ;-)
+<dwihno>        hm
+<dwihno>        how do I connect it? ;)
+<Bagder>        to what?
+<dwihno>        To the PC
+<dwihno>        It just says charging
+<dwihno>        no "hello USB" thingy
+<Zagor> yay, that was fast
+<Linus> dwihno: turn it on
+<dwihno>        Trying
+<dwihno>        It just says "charging batteries"
+<Linus> Hold ON down for a few secs
+<Zagor> dwihno: go to groups.yahoo.com and join the archosjukebox6000 group. then read the faq there, it will answer your 20 first questions :-)
+<dwihno>        Help me out, I don't wanna search no mail list! :(
+<Linus> How long did you press ON?
+<Zagor> keep it down 5-10 seconds
+<dwihno>        öjj, nu hände det grejer
+<dwihno>        Windows won't say hello USB
+<Zagor> you need to install the driver from the cd
+<Zagor> uh, maybe not
+<Zagor> i was thinking about the old archos :)
+<Zagor> which windows do you have?
+*       Bagder has glass windows ;-)
+<Linus> You do have to install a driver if you have Win98
+<Zagor> yeah, I guess we can't expect MSWindows to follow specifications... ;*)
+<Bagder>        ah they do, just not the SAME specifications ;-)
+<dwihno>        <-- is ejaculating
+<dwihno>        <-- is ejaculating
+<dwihno>        <-- is ejaculating
+<dwihno>        <-- is ejaculating
+<dwihno>        <-- is ejaculating
+<dwihno>        <-- is ejaculating
+<dwihno>        DAMN
+*       Zagor puts dwihno in a cool shower
+---     ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder
+<dwihno>        :)~
+<dwihno>        Worth every wooden nickle
+<Linus> Didn't we tell you? :-)
+<Bagder>        now, rip it up and make that serial port work for debugging B-P
+<Zagor> haha
+<Linus> hihi
+<Linus> Bagder: why don't you??? :-)
+<Bagder>        well, no recorder has so far
+<Bagder>        not even you guys
+<Bagder>        right?
+<dwihno>        hahahaha
+<dwihno>        damn
+<dwihno>        whoa
+<Zagor> right
+<dwihno>        <-- gets a glass of water...
+<dwihno>        I'll be damned! DAMN DAMN DAMN! :)
+<Linus> Don't spill it!!!
+<Bagder>        get over your head ;-)
+<Bagder>        poor it even
+<Zagor> pour
+*       Zagor is the spelling police, too
+<Bagder>        hey, I can't type
+<Bagder>        so then I shall not speel correct either ;-)
+<dwihno>        haha
+<dwihno>        :)
+<dwihno>        Win2k said: "Hello USB" and installed it as a mass storage device without any extra drivers
+<Zagor> good
+<Zagor> where are our win32 developers? it's been awfully quiet lately
+<PsycoXul>      back
+<dwihno>        Whoa
+<dwihno>        whoa whoa whoa
+<PsycoXul>      yeah i'm in the US, california
+<dwihno>        Oh my god
+<Bagder>        Zagor: indeed, the win32 simulator is now lagging behind
+<PsycoXul>      bah
+<PsycoXul>      win32 people aren't *real* developers anyways :p
+<Bagder>        hehe
+<Zagor> adiamas spilled the beans in the yahoo forum a couple of days ago and now everyone is very interested. a win32 simulator would be good soon
+<Bagder>        hey!
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<Bagder>        we're now 101 subscribers
+<Bagder>        on the rockbox list
+<Zagor> and <1 msg/day :-)
+<Bagder>        yeah
+<dwihno>        *copy files*
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: can you test now?
+<dwihno>        The speed is quite alright for being a USB 1.1 computer I'm using
+<Bagder>        dwihno: hehe that'll keep you busy for a while
+<Linus> dwihno: do you have USB2.0 on your computer?
+<Linus> ah
+<dwihno>        Getting files from work -> home will never be a problem again ;)
+<Bagder>        sure it will, you won't have room for with all those mp3s on it ;-)
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<dwihno>        hehe
+<PsycoXul>      Zagor: just booted over
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: meaning?
+<PsycoXul>      you know i think most of the problems i have with this thing over USB is due to trying it when the batteries low
+<Zagor> yeah that's a bad idea
+<PsycoXul>      Zagor: meaning i'm copying the test file now
+<Zagor> ok
+<PsycoXul>      well
+<PsycoXul>      usualy when i plug it in the batteries like half way
+<PsycoXul>      to USB i mean
+<PsycoXul>      and then i copy files and after several times in one session it starts having problems
+<PsycoXul>      using it as a USB HD seems to eat the batteries really quick
+<PsycoXul>      hmmm
+<Zagor> yeah, always keep the power cable connected in usb mode
+<PsycoXul>      like now the batteries shouldn't be very low but it may have stalled on the copy already
+<dwihno>        For how many hours do the batteries last?
+<dwihno>        10 hours?
+<Zagor> roughly, yes
+<dwihno>        mkay
+<PsycoXul>      i estimate 5-10 hours depending bitrate, settings, volume, how much you mess with it
+<dwihno>        mess?
+<PsycoXul>      if you press buttons a lot
+<dwihno>        you mean, use it as a USB harddrive?
+<PsycoXul>      have the backlight on much
+<PsycoXul>      etc
+<PsycoXul>      dwihno: yeah
+<PsycoXul>      er
+<PsycoXul>      no
+<dwihno>        amongst other things
+<PsycoXul>      dwihno: i mean if you set up a 10 hour playlist, start it, stick it in your pouch/pocket and then don't touch it till it goes dead
+<PsycoXul>      dwihno: it'll last a long longer than if you play some songs, then browse around and play some more, etc
+<dwihno>        mkay
+<dwihno>        Will the unit start to fux0r if I change the hard disk label?
+<PsycoXul>      nah
+<PsycoXul>      one of the first things i did :p
+<dwihno>        heh
+<dwihno>        insanity! is the label now
+<dwihno>        :)
+<dwihno>        20 gigs of music in your pocket is nothing but pure insanity
+<PsycoXul>      yep
+<PsycoXul>      its true
+<PsycoXul>      just wait
+<PsycoXul>      its like your life suddenly got a soundtrack :p
+<dwihno>        :)
+<dwihno>        Oh my fucking G.O.D!
+<Zagor> dwihno: 20 gigs? bah, 40 here. and there's 60 gig disks out now.
+<dwihno>        whoa
+<dwihno>        Zagor: suck my dick :)
+<Zagor> no thanks :)
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<dwihno>        I'll sync it against my collection at home tonight
+<PsycoXul>      ok
+<PsycoXul>      Zagor: no change
+<Zagor> hmm
+<Linus> PsycoXul: you mean the ATA slave test?
+<Zagor> yes
+<Linus> bah!
+<Zagor> hmm, we must do a device select before we start polling status...
+<Linus> Dont we do that now?
+<Zagor> nopp
+<Linus> But the ATA interface must be initialized already?
+<Zagor> i'll try and adapt the master/slave check code I have in the isd200 driver...
+<Zagor> hmm, you're right
+<Zagor> still, it just doesn't work
+<dwihno>        Whoa
+<dwihno>        I wanna go hoooome! :)
+<dwihno>        Listen to music! :)
+<dwihno>        I love the audio quality
+<Zagor> have you been able to hear the buzz yet=
+<Zagor> ?
+<dwihno>        Didn't try
+<PsycoXul>      i get a buzz while my studio20's charging sometimes... it comes and goes and when it comes i can't get rid of it and when it goes i can't make it do it, but its from the unit itself and not the headphones heh
+<Zagor> oh
+<Zagor> are you using the stock charger?
+<PsycoXul>      yes
+<Zagor> it could be voltage related
+<PsycoXul>      its no big deal and i only get it sometimes
+<dwihno>        I'll try to get the buzz tonight
+<dwihno>        Damn
+<dwihno>        The bass is exquisite!
+<dwihno>        My EXP101 is WAY out!
+<Zagor> dwihno: you can probably "force" the buzz by only inserting the headphone plug half-way
+<Zagor> still, if you can't hear it why look for it :)
+<dwihno>        hehe
+<dwihno>        true, true
+<dwihno>        You will not find the force, the force will find you!
+<dwihno>        Reverse that sentence and imagine Yoda saying it ;)
+<PsycoXul>      find the force you will not, find you it will
+<dwihno>        :)
+<dwihno>        :-)
+*       dwihno sighs
+<PsycoXul>      but yeah
+<PsycoXul>      anything else i should try today?
+<dwihno>        How long time does it take to charge it?
+<Zagor> dwihno: a long time. leave it overnight at least
+<Zagor> it handles it intelligently, so there's no problem leaving it too long
+<dwihno>        Ah, sure
+<PsycoXul>      yeah but don't leave it too too long especialy if you use the stock adapter
+<dwihno>        How come?
+<PsycoXul>      cause its an unregulated piece of shit adapter that i guess provides more power than the unit needs to start with, and especialy once its charged, that extra power gets put out as heat
+<PsycoXul>      some people have damaged their units with that
+<PsycoXul>      mine's gotten hotten than i'm comfortable with a couple times
+<PsycoXul>      hotter
+<dwihno>        ah
+<dwihno>        does it tell when the charging is finished?
+<Zagor> yes
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<dwihno>        and how many hours does a typical charge take?
+<dwihno>        the green led goes blank when it's fully charged?
+<Zagor> no the display says "Charging complete"
+<Zagor> the green led is hardwired to power-on
+<PsycoXul>      i dunno about recorders, but my player says "charged" instead of "charging..." and you can also hear the HD spin up
+<Zagor> the recorder does not spin the hd
+<PsycoXul>      huh
+<Zagor> the "charging complete, let's dissipate excess power via spinning hd" seems to be a new-players-only thing
+<dwihno>        mkay
+<dwihno>        Should I upgrade to the newsest firmware?
+<Zagor> which version do you have?
+<dwihno>        lemme check... where do I do that?
+<Zagor> menu->firmware
+<Bagder>        who cares about firmware versions, we need rockbox ;-)
+<dwihno>        hehe
+<dwihno>        rockbox is still just a dream
+<dwihno>        Rockbox - Because dreams will come true!
+<dwihno>        There's a slogan you can use ;)
+<PsycoXul>      you know it *seriously* seems like the players firmware was a hacked together bare minimal with a few things thrown in cause they were easy, and i *swear* they anticipated a project to replace it 
+<PsycoXul>      to me anyways :p
+<dwihno>        you might be right
+<Zagor> i doubt they anticipated anyone replacing it. then why would the scramble it? I agree on the "hacked together" part, though
+<dwihno>        ask the firmware developers
+<PsycoXul>      i couldn't tell you why they scramble it
+<PsycoXul>      it doesn't seem to actualy accomplish anything anyways :p
+<Zagor> it would appear they explicity wanted something like this to never happen...
+<dwihno>        1.26
+<dwihno>        mar 10 2002
+<dwihno>        that's the firmware
+<Zagor> dwihno: I think there's a 1.27 out. try it if you feel like it.
+<Zagor> I'm using 1.24. can't be bother with their mini changes
+*       Bagder has 1.25b
+<PsycoXul>      so you guys got anything else for me to test today or can i throw the normal firmware on there and call it a day? heh
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: we're done for now, I think. i'll test some stuff on my end first.
+<PsycoXul>      ok
+<Bagder>        there's a 1.27c available
+<dwihno>        Where do you find the firmware?
+<dwihno>        I'm trying to find, but can't!
+<Bagder>        http://www.archos.com/us/download_drivers.html
+<dwihno>        ah
+<dwihno>        thanks
+<Bagder>        "archos recorder firmware" on google showed that as first choice
+<Bagder>        the rockbox link was only on third place ;-)
+<dwihno>        Yeah! :D
+<PsycoXul>      ok
+<PsycoXul>      i descrambled/hexedited/rescrambled the archos firmware and changed 'CHARGE' to 'FUX0RZ' and 'CHARGING' to 'FUX0RING' etc
+<Zagor> haha
+<PsycoXul>      and put it on, booted it, shut it off, plugged it in just to see
+<PsycoXul>      and it still says CHARGE, CHARGING
+<dwihno>        :)
+<dwihno>        hm
+<PsycoXul>      so apparently firmware upgrades don't effect its charging stuff
+<dwihno>        stupid :/
+<Zagor> ah, no. not unless you first start the firmware then plug in the charger
+<PsycoXul>      which makes sense to me since it doesn't boot up from the HD to charge
+<dwihno>        In what way is the firmware scrambled? :) XOR?
+<Zagor> no it's a bit more than that
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<Zagor> they used the old "swap bus pins" trick, only in software instead of hardware
+<dwihno>        (?)
+<dwihno>        swap bus pins?
+<PsycoXul>      ok so i turned it on and plugged it in and then turned it off and it still says CHARGE heh
+<PsycoXul>      they seem to have a lot of unused stuff in their firmware upgrades
+<Zagor> don't turn it off
+<Zagor> when you turn it off it reverts to rom
+<PsycoXul>      well when its on it just displays the normal interface and the battery indicator just moves
+<Zagor> dwihno: yeah, if you swap the bus pins to the ROM, the contents of the ROM becomes scrambled without you actually having to unscramble it
+<dwihno>        Femton pirater å en flaska mä rooooom! :D
+<PsycoXul>      so i'll never see those messages heh
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: ah, silly me
+<dwihno>        Zagor: mkay
+<dwihno>        Zagor: in quiet parts of the songs, I hear a faint buzz noise...
+<dwihno>        I can live with it though
+<PsycoXul>      i was mainly just wondering how "fixed battery charged issue" ended up on the feature list of a firmware upgrade... so now we know just cause they say they added it doesn't necessarily mean it'll have any effect for an upgrade :p
+<Zagor> i guess you're right
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: umm, feel like testing some more? ;)
+*       Zagor ducks
+<dwihno>        What's with that digital serial thing? Are they trying to disable something?
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<Zagor> dwihno: what do you mean?
+<PsycoXul>      sure, except i just booted that box back to win98 so i can't compile anything for it heh
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: if i select slave, I get the same 00 status response as you get
+<Zagor> so we should probably we checking master/slave the first thing we do
+<dwihno>        Zagor: Well, I read something about some serial thing and DMCA... And the link said something about making digital copies... I thought they might be trying to disable digital copying...
+<PsycoXul>      ok
+<PsycoXul>      hey its kindof funny
+<PsycoXul>      i've got this song called 'descramble' 
+<PsycoXul>      its the DeCSS source code, sang
+<Zagor> dwihno: ah, yes. like everyone selling stuff in the US they must obey silly rules. but there are ways around the SCMS. (it's in the FAQ ;)
+<Zagor> dwihno: but it's only over the SPDIF interface anyway. and nobody uses that
+<PsycoXul>      with the chorus "the dmca steps me... i don't like the dmca, it makes this song illegal" 
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: lol
+<dwihno>        :)
+<PsycoXul>      er "steps on me"
+<PsycoXul>      its bad recording, bad quality, bad performance but its kinda catchy :p
+<Zagor> i like the lyrics...
+*       Bagder thinks songs by "decoded feedback" kind of fits on mp3
+<PsycoXul>      how can you not love a song that starts off with
+<PsycoXul>      "this function is void.. it takes to args"
+<dwihno>        Zagor: Nothing about SCMS in the FAQ :/
+<PsycoXul>      :p
+<Bagder>        hehehe
+<PsycoXul>      s/to/two/
+<dwihno>        :-)
+<PsycoXul>      DMCA steps on me... i don't like the dmca it makes this song illegal, oooh... dmca, it steps on me and makes this song illegal, makes this song illegal
+<dwihno>        PsycoXul: You need coffee.
+<PsycoXul>      eye dew gnot.
+*       dwihno hands PsycoXul a steaming hot cup dé coffee
+*       PsycoXul hands it back, thanks anyways heh
+<PsycoXul>      coffee's nasty stuff man :p
+<PsycoXul>      and it pisses me off that innocent pot smokers are going to jail while everyone from gradeschoolers to their parents are hooked on caffiene :p
+<dwihno>        hehe
+<Linus> Gotta go. Bye folks!
+<dwihno>        You haven't made a 'scroll faster' patch yet? :)
+<Bagder>        bye Linus
+<PsycoXul>      nobody's doing patches :p
+<PsycoXul>      besides maybe archos heh
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+<dwihno>        hehe
+<dwihno>        I'll do my own patch ;D
+<PsycoXul>      sure
+<PsycoXul>      while you're at it, whip up some DSP code for PCM and ogg support
+<PsycoXul>      so i saw this new portable thing out 
+<PsycoXul>      with 10G
+<PsycoXul>      can play mp3/wav but thats only a feature
+<PsycoXul>      works as usb master and slave, has ethernet and pc card
+<Zagor> so what "thing" is it?
+<Bagder>        gotta run, see ya
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+<Zagor> bye
+<Zagor> gah, too late :)
+<PsycoXul>      http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/57a3.shtml
+<PsycoXul>      that thing
+<dwihno>        it's rather sexy
+<dwihno>        but it's not an archos
+<dwihno>        archos is godsent!
+<Zagor> ah, a harddisk with a display. how cute :)
+<dwihno>        rockbox is the archangel, sent to thame the archos!
+<PsycoXul>      its size is kindof odd
+<PsycoXul>      7"x3.2"x1"
+<Zagor> the price is, ehm, high
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
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+<Zagor> hey, alan!
+<alkorr>        hello people
+<PsycoXul>      its LCD sounds like its charcell too... says 20 chars x 4 lines
+<alkorr>        you are fast :)
+<Zagor> like lightning :)
+<alkorr>        speaking about your project :)
+<PsycoXul>      but its got some interesting features
+<PsycoXul>      such as ability to use alkaline, ni-mh, or a li-ion battery pack
+<alkorr>        Psyco, what are you speaking about ?
+<PsycoXul>      can act as a usb master, has 10mb ethernet, pcmcia, and composite video out for viewing still images
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<PsycoXul>      alkorr: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/57a3.shtml
+<PsycoXul>      terapin mine
+<PsycoXul>      its rather long at 7" though, "20 char x 4 line" lcd doesn't sound impressive, nor does 6 buttons, and costing so much for only 10G 
+<alkorr>        looks very interesting if it was not its price
+<Zagor> ga-zing-ga. file browser running on my 6k.
+<PsycoXul>      what'd be more interesting is if they sold them cheap without HD's
+<Zagor> yeah, it's kind of a mix between an archos and a handheld. not being especially good for either
+<PsycoXul>      but being that its geared towards being a data storage device, they probably wouldn't do that heh
+<alkorr>        well I prefer a graphical lcd
+<Zagor> unghh... sourceforge's CVS server seems to have bonked
+<alkorr>        ???
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<alkorr>        bonked ? what does mean ?
+<Zagor> it doesn't respond right now
+<Zagor> bonked = died, sort of
+<alkorr>        ok
+<Zagor> apparently it didn't like my latest patch :)
+<PsycoXul>      i feel like i got shortchanged on this little 11x2 charcell thing, i've seen $10 games at walmart with better displays heh
+<Zagor> hehe
+<alkorr>        arf
+<Zagor> ah, it's up again
+<PsycoXul>      but at least it does display stuff
+<PsycoXul>      there's so many players on the market that don't even have standard mp3 player features
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: is yours a studio 10 or 20?
+<PsycoXul>      studio20
+<PsycoXul>      http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/5a1a.shtml
+<Zagor> ok
+<Zagor> hey, it can almost fit the rockbox logo! ;)
+<PsycoXul>      hey thats kinda interesting... if you hooked an IR port into the serial port on your archos with custom firmware and then used that
+<PsycoXul>      get a joystick and mini keyboard and extra display 
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<Zagor> yep. there's lots of cool stuff to be done on the archos
+<alkorr>        hum... interesting...
+<dwihno>        :)
+*       dwihno takes everybody down to earth again
+<dwihno>        :)
+<alkorr>        you dreamreaper :)
+<Zagor> who'll be first with a keyboard->archos adapter? :)
+---     dwihno is now known as DreamReaper
+<DreamReaper>   Mohahaha!
+<DreamReaper>   The Archos will NEVER be more than a music box! :D
+<DreamReaper>   *evil laughter*
+---     DreamReaper is now known as dwihno
+<Zagor> you forgot tetris :)
+<alkorr>        a PC keyboard should not be a problem
+<dwihno>        haha
+<dwihno>        Tetris is a toy for kids :)
+<PsycoXul>      Zagor: i keep thinking of a bi-directional IR via serial port
+<alkorr>        if your archos has the external serial line
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: yeah, unfortunately bidir requires hw mod
+<PsycoXul>      yeah i know
+<PsycoXul>      i do plan on making hw mods eventualy
+<dwihno>        hm
+<dwihno>        bettery charged
+<dwihno>        So it's full now, eh?
+<alkorr>        please, consider my idea
+<PsycoXul>      which idea is that
+<alkorr>        there is the Linus' serial tool that we can connect between an archos and PC
+<PsycoXul>      yeah
+<alkorr>        if we have a PS/2<->serial adaptor
+<alkorr>        it should be virtually possible to connect a PC keyboard
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<alkorr>        no ?
+<alkorr>        a PC keyboard sends 1200 baud, no parity, 8 bit, 1 start, 1 stop 
+<alkorr>        am i wrong ?
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+<alkorr>        so jukebox should be able to receive scancodes and handles it 
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+<PsycoXul>      i've got 3 ps/2-serial adapters, but all 3 are made to plug into a serial port
+<PsycoXul>      and linus' serial adapter i'm guessing is also made to plug into a serial port 
+<alkorr>        jukebox has no PC serial plug
+<Zagor> ah, hi again :)
+<alkorr>        you need to have an intermediate
+<PsycoXul>      i know
+<PsycoXul>      thats what linus' adapter does right?
+<PsycoXul>      heh
+<dwihno>        <-- is off - no more "work" today ;D
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+<alkorr>        yeah
+<alkorr>        ah okay youre speaking about adapter
+<PsycoXul>      yeah the rs232 converter
+<Zagor> then you just need the serial->archos adapter from the web page
+<Zagor> PsycoXul: yup
+<PsycoXul>      which kind of rs232 port does that have? the kind like is on the computer on the kind like plugs into the computer? heh
+<Zagor> it's db9 -> 3.5mm plug
+<PsycoXul>      i seem to recall somebody at some point saying they'd put pictures up of the thing
+<Zagor> dumdidum, that was never me was it? :*)
+<PsycoXul>      Zagor: yes but i mean does it plug into the host port or do you plug a serial cable between the host port and the converter port or what?
+<PsycoXul>      Zagor: can you plug a serial device into it
+<PsycoXul>      or is it itself a serial device to be plugged in
+<Zagor> it plugs into the PC and into the archos
+<PsycoXul>      i mean on the pc side
+<PsycoXul>      does it have the 9 pins or the 9 holes? heh
+<alkorr>        a stand serial wire
+<alkorr>        standard
+<alkorr>        wire between PC and adapter is female
+<alkorr>        unless Linus inverted it
+<PsycoXul>      so the rs232 converter's PC-style port is just like what you have on the back of your PC? heh
+<alkorr>        well if not the good one, just buy a male-female adapter :)
+<PsycoXul>      thats all i was wondering heh
+<alkorr>        on the pc, it is a male
+<alkorr>        my adapter has also a male adapter
+<alkorr>        huh it is like PC one
+<PsycoXul>      so if you had a serial keyboard you could plug it right into the rs232 converter?
+<alkorr>        let me find another keyboard here...
+<PsycoXul>      i've got 3 ps2->serial adapters heh
+<alkorr>        you should because i bought a 1 ps2->serial too
+<alkorr>        and it fits with my serial adapter for jukebox
+<PsycoXul>      ok
+<PsycoXul>      so it should be easy to hook a lot of stuff up to this sucker
+*       PsycoXul pictures a little 1-pixel mouse cursor drawn in a dynamically-updated custom char on his player :p
+<PsycoXul>      ok so for this thing
+<PsycoXul>      i see on national.com the LP2980IM5
+<PsycoXul>      they have -2.5 through -5.0
+<PsycoXul>      (i.e. LP2980IM5-2.5, ..., LP2980IM5-5.0)
+<Zagor> i have to go. see you guys!
+<PsycoXul>      is that the output voltage or something?
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+<PsycoXul>      do i want the -3.3 then?
+<PsycoXul>      heh
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