From 216e50b3b66b8c8f15f4e06a6c9e535cb4b216c6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Robert Hak Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:07:19 +0000 Subject: updating irc logs git-svn-id: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk@996 a1c6a512-1295-4272-9138-f99709370657 --- www/irc/rockbox-20020522.log | 661 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 661 insertions(+) create mode 100644 www/irc/rockbox-20020522.log (limited to 'www/irc/rockbox-20020522.log') diff --git a/www/irc/rockbox-20020522.log b/www/irc/rockbox-20020522.log new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..87bf9fcf9d --- /dev/null +++ b/www/irc/rockbox-20020522.log @@ -0,0 +1,661 @@ +**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 21 22:49:19 2002 + +--> adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-88.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox +--- Topic for #rockbox is Does your box rock? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ +--- Topic for #rockbox set by Bagder at Mon May 13 04:46:28 +--- You are now known as adi|home +--- dw|gone is now known as dwihno +--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + Hail to the almighty LINUS!: D + Yo! + Where did you order your Archos? And did you order a Recorder? + I ordered it from Dustin + Yeah, a recorder model + I also ordered myself a new "dual optical" mouse from logitech ;D + Nice. + yeah :) + I just hope my expectations won't fail me ;) + Me too. + weclome back all :) + thanks + Hi adi! + I might get it today + (that is, if I'm _EXTREMELY_ lucky) ;) + btw the archos firmware does handle being turned off somehow, because custom firmware won't turn off with the power plugged in but archos firmware will + Oh. That's something we'll have to look into + PsycoXul: how extensivly have you been testing the new code on the actual hardware? + well lets see i threw it on there last night and didn't past ata_init() so uh not very? :p + Strange, that thing with the ATA... + PsycoXul: have you opened your box? + no + Ok. + heheh + Well, try to have a positive perspective - you at least got to ata_init() :) + Was it the first test on actual hardware you performed last night? + i've played with little pieces of code on the hardware a good amount + cool :) +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + hey ho + Hello Bagder! :D + Yo Bagder! + oh crap, Linus got here before me!!! :-) + :D + He was here REALLY early! + 07:38 Yo! + You can't beat that! :D + hehe + I'm pretty often at work before that actually + But then he's so tired he can't even read or speak. :-) + its just a matter of coffee amounts :) + Hehe + The caffeine is your friend! :D + <-- just had his third cup of coffee + Björns donated player has an old display after all + ah + Version 4.13 + did you get anything displayed on it? + Stone dead. + And the 4.13 display is stone dead when I pair it with Björns old CPU board. + It's stone'd ;) + btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit' + so we #defined the uisim to use the off button... + but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what? + i mean how else do you turn the unit off? +* Bagder has no clue +* adi|home draws a target on Bagder's forehead then poke's him in the bullseye +--> Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + speak of the devil... + I think the hardware traps the off button + hey.. zag +--- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor + eeeello + btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit' + so we #defined the uisim to use the off button... + but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what? + i mean how else do you turn the unit off? + eieio + like 20 secs ago + and sometimes y + ah + YAY! + well we don't know for sure + My Archos is in Umeå now! + the recorder seems to simply go into powersave mode and not actually turn off 100% + I'm gonna get it today! :D + Oh joy! + really? thats just weird + and the player? +* dwihno starts bouncing around like a a playfull puppu + puppy ;) + i don't know. we need to do some measurements + I don't think it's weird that it goes into powersave mode +* adi|home puts newspaper under dwihno + That way it can keep the settings in RAM + no.. what i mean is.. sholdn't both units? + i mean, why wouldn't the player as well? + i dunno + Maybe they designed it in a hurry + keep those answers up.. and im giving you a target too... + ;) + maybe the LCD display has no powersave mode + who knows? +* adi|home nods + okay.. im off to bed then.. long day tomorrow. + night! + sweet dreams + COFFEEEEEE! + I'm way ahead of you Linus! :) Got my 4th cup! + and also.. its E.M.S. appreciation week here in the States.. so appreciate me damn it! +* adi|home giggles like a school girl + EMS? + Emergency Medical Services + aha + ppl that work on ambulances + volunteers here mostly +* Bagder appreciates ambulance-adiamas for a while + hehehe +* adi|home puffs up his chest proudly + nite agin + Gah! + The "new" display works with the "new" CPU board + So we night have *three* display types on our hands! + hmrpmf + or at least combining old new cpu with old display wasn't as simple as we thought + Or it might be that it has nothing to do with the LCD at all. + Just incompatible boards + But how???? + I wonder what's different... + don't worry about that too much, it's not like anyone else is going to attempt it... + True. I'm just curious + you should still write down or post your findings, so that we have them saved for the future + And we still need to debug a New(tm) Player to find out what's different with the ATA interface + yes +--> wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has joined #rockbox + Yo wav! + howdy linus +* Bagder crawls off to get coffee +<-- Bagder has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.") +--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox + 1x2 + I want my archos NOW!!! :) + What are you people going to eat for lunch today? + I think I'm up for chinese today + yum + noodles is always nice + NASIGORENG! + today is sushi day + btw, guys, I managed to exchange a few words with Tumm yesterday. he exists! ;) +* Bagder faints + Eww! Sushi! That's like, dead fish! + Well. It's almost alive! + Fried fish = yum yum + barely dead :) + Wonderful! + Delicious! + I wish we had a sushi place around here + I wish I never have to see the evilness of the sushi +* dwihno sends some abborre-sushi to Zagor +--- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch +--- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch +--- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor +--- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus + PsycoXul: you here? + yeah + have you opened your archos? + heh + no i haven't + ok. we're having a theory that perhaps your harddisk is jumpered as "slave" + fun + it's not so bad, we just have to deal with it in ata_init() if that's the case. but it's a bit tricky to find out without opening your archos... :) + heh + well i need to back it up [actualy mostly reorganize my HD copies to match the structure on the archos just so i can see that it really is backed up], and take it to best buy to get it serviced so they can remove the sticker and i don't have to worry about it + i wasn't planning on opening it till after that + well maybe you don't have to. we could try just patching your code a bit and see what happens + stand by :) + the power plugin does need to be resoldered or something i think, if i bump it while its plugged in it'll lose the contact +--> Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + but i can't test anything till tomorrow... gotta juggle HD's in a win98 box next to me to boot it to linux with my sh1 dev stuff and its too late tonight to be getting into that... + :-( + and i'm hopping in the shower now heh + when you get the chance, try changing SELECT_LBA to 0x50 in ata.c + ok +<-- Zagor has quit (card.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) +--- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor + well i'll go take a shower and if its not too late after that then maybe i can + PsycoXul: where are you, geograpicly? + pacbell.net hints US + I GOT MY ARCHOS IN MY HAND! + try the demos! ;-) + hm + how do I connect it? ;) + to what? + To the PC + It just says charging + no "hello USB" thingy + yay, that was fast + dwihno: turn it on + Trying + It just says "charging batteries" + Hold ON down for a few secs + dwihno: go to groups.yahoo.com and join the archosjukebox6000 group. then read the faq there, it will answer your 20 first questions :-) + Help me out, I don't wanna search no mail list! :( + How long did you press ON? + keep it down 5-10 seconds + öjj, nu hände det grejer + Windows won't say hello USB + you need to install the driver from the cd + uh, maybe not + i was thinking about the old archos :) + which windows do you have? +* Bagder has glass windows ;-) + You do have to install a driver if you have Win98 + yeah, I guess we can't expect MSWindows to follow specifications... ;*) + ah they do, just not the SAME specifications ;-) + <-- is ejaculating + <-- is ejaculating + <-- is ejaculating + <-- is ejaculating + <-- is ejaculating + <-- is ejaculating + DAMN +* Zagor puts dwihno in a cool shower +--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder + :)~ + Worth every wooden nickle + Didn't we tell you? :-) + now, rip it up and make that serial port work for debugging B-P + haha + hihi + Bagder: why don't you??? :-) + well, no recorder has so far + not even you guys + right? + hahahaha + damn + whoa + right + <-- gets a glass of water... + I'll be damned! DAMN DAMN DAMN! :) + Don't spill it!!! + get over your head ;-) + poor it even + pour +* Zagor is the spelling police, too + hey, I can't type + so then I shall not speel correct either ;-) + haha + :) + Win2k said: "Hello USB" and installed it as a mass storage device without any extra drivers + good + where are our win32 developers? it's been awfully quiet lately + back + Whoa + whoa whoa whoa + yeah i'm in the US, california + Oh my god + Zagor: indeed, the win32 simulator is now lagging behind + bah + win32 people aren't *real* developers anyways :p + hehe + adiamas spilled the beans in the yahoo forum a couple of days ago and now everyone is very interested. a win32 simulator would be good soon + hey! + yeah + we're now 101 subscribers + on the rockbox list + and <1 msg/day :-) + yeah + *copy files* + PsycoXul: can you test now? + The speed is quite alright for being a USB 1.1 computer I'm using + dwihno: hehe that'll keep you busy for a while + dwihno: do you have USB2.0 on your computer? + ah + Getting files from work -> home will never be a problem again ;) + sure it will, you won't have room for with all those mp3s on it ;-) + heh + hehe + Zagor: just booted over + PsycoXul: meaning? + you know i think most of the problems i have with this thing over USB is due to trying it when the batteries low + yeah that's a bad idea + Zagor: meaning i'm copying the test file now + ok + well + usualy when i plug it in the batteries like half way + to USB i mean + and then i copy files and after several times in one session it starts having problems + using it as a USB HD seems to eat the batteries really quick + hmmm + yeah, always keep the power cable connected in usb mode + like now the batteries shouldn't be very low but it may have stalled on the copy already + For how many hours do the batteries last? + 10 hours? + roughly, yes + mkay + i estimate 5-10 hours depending bitrate, settings, volume, how much you mess with it + mess? + if you press buttons a lot + you mean, use it as a USB harddrive? + have the backlight on much + etc + dwihno: yeah + er + no + amongst other things + dwihno: i mean if you set up a 10 hour playlist, start it, stick it in your pouch/pocket and then don't touch it till it goes dead + dwihno: it'll last a long longer than if you play some songs, then browse around and play some more, etc + mkay + Will the unit start to fux0r if I change the hard disk label? + nah + one of the first things i did :p + heh + insanity! is the label now + :) + 20 gigs of music in your pocket is nothing but pure insanity + yep + its true + just wait + its like your life suddenly got a soundtrack :p + :) + Oh my fucking G.O.D! + dwihno: 20 gigs? bah, 40 here. and there's 60 gig disks out now. + whoa + Zagor: suck my dick :) + no thanks :) + heh + I'll sync it against my collection at home tonight + ok + Zagor: no change + hmm + PsycoXul: you mean the ATA slave test? + yes + bah! + hmm, we must do a device select before we start polling status... + Dont we do that now? + nopp + But the ATA interface must be initialized already? + i'll try and adapt the master/slave check code I have in the isd200 driver... + hmm, you're right + still, it just doesn't work + Whoa + I wanna go hoooome! :) + Listen to music! :) + I love the audio quality + have you been able to hear the buzz yet= + ? + Didn't try + i get a buzz while my studio20's charging sometimes... it comes and goes and when it comes i can't get rid of it and when it goes i can't make it do it, but its from the unit itself and not the headphones heh + oh + are you using the stock charger? + yes + it could be voltage related + its no big deal and i only get it sometimes + I'll try to get the buzz tonight + Damn + The bass is exquisite! + My EXP101 is WAY out! + dwihno: you can probably "force" the buzz by only inserting the headphone plug half-way + still, if you can't hear it why look for it :) + hehe + true, true + You will not find the force, the force will find you! + Reverse that sentence and imagine Yoda saying it ;) + find the force you will not, find you it will + :) + :-) +* dwihno sighs + but yeah + anything else i should try today? + How long time does it take to charge it? + dwihno: a long time. leave it overnight at least + it handles it intelligently, so there's no problem leaving it too long + Ah, sure + yeah but don't leave it too too long especialy if you use the stock adapter + How come? + cause its an unregulated piece of shit adapter that i guess provides more power than the unit needs to start with, and especialy once its charged, that extra power gets put out as heat + some people have damaged their units with that + mine's gotten hotten than i'm comfortable with a couple times + hotter + ah + does it tell when the charging is finished? + yes + yeah + and how many hours does a typical charge take? + the green led goes blank when it's fully charged? + no the display says "Charging complete" + the green led is hardwired to power-on + i dunno about recorders, but my player says "charged" instead of "charging..." and you can also hear the HD spin up + the recorder does not spin the hd + huh + the "charging complete, let's dissipate excess power via spinning hd" seems to be a new-players-only thing + mkay + Should I upgrade to the newsest firmware? + which version do you have? + lemme check... where do I do that? + menu->firmware + who cares about firmware versions, we need rockbox ;-) + hehe + rockbox is still just a dream + Rockbox - Because dreams will come true! + There's a slogan you can use ;) + you know it *seriously* seems like the players firmware was a hacked together bare minimal with a few things thrown in cause they were easy, and i *swear* they anticipated a project to replace it + to me anyways :p + you might be right + i doubt they anticipated anyone replacing it. then why would the scramble it? I agree on the "hacked together" part, though + ask the firmware developers + i couldn't tell you why they scramble it + it doesn't seem to actualy accomplish anything anyways :p + it would appear they explicity wanted something like this to never happen... + 1.26 + mar 10 2002 + that's the firmware + dwihno: I think there's a 1.27 out. try it if you feel like it. + I'm using 1.24. can't be bother with their mini changes +* Bagder has 1.25b + so you guys got anything else for me to test today or can i throw the normal firmware on there and call it a day? heh + PsycoXul: we're done for now, I think. i'll test some stuff on my end first. + ok + there's a 1.27c available + Where do you find the firmware? + I'm trying to find, but can't! + http://www.archos.com/us/download_drivers.html + ah + thanks + "archos recorder firmware" on google showed that as first choice + the rockbox link was only on third place ;-) + Yeah! :D + ok + i descrambled/hexedited/rescrambled the archos firmware and changed 'CHARGE' to 'FUX0RZ' and 'CHARGING' to 'FUX0RING' etc + haha + and put it on, booted it, shut it off, plugged it in just to see + and it still says CHARGE, CHARGING + :) + hm + so apparently firmware upgrades don't effect its charging stuff + stupid :/ + ah, no. not unless you first start the firmware then plug in the charger + which makes sense to me since it doesn't boot up from the HD to charge + In what way is the firmware scrambled? :) XOR? + no it's a bit more than that + heh + they used the old "swap bus pins" trick, only in software instead of hardware + (?) + swap bus pins? + ok so i turned it on and plugged it in and then turned it off and it still says CHARGE heh + they seem to have a lot of unused stuff in their firmware upgrades + don't turn it off + when you turn it off it reverts to rom + well when its on it just displays the normal interface and the battery indicator just moves + dwihno: yeah, if you swap the bus pins to the ROM, the contents of the ROM becomes scrambled without you actually having to unscramble it + Femton pirater å en flaska mä rooooom! :D + so i'll never see those messages heh + PsycoXul: ah, silly me + Zagor: mkay + Zagor: in quiet parts of the songs, I hear a faint buzz noise... + I can live with it though + i was mainly just wondering how "fixed battery charged issue" ended up on the feature list of a firmware upgrade... so now we know just cause they say they added it doesn't necessarily mean it'll have any effect for an upgrade :p + i guess you're right + PsycoXul: umm, feel like testing some more? ;) +* Zagor ducks + What's with that digital serial thing? Are they trying to disable something? + heh + dwihno: what do you mean? + sure, except i just booted that box back to win98 so i can't compile anything for it heh + PsycoXul: if i select slave, I get the same 00 status response as you get + so we should probably we checking master/slave the first thing we do + Zagor: Well, I read something about some serial thing and DMCA... And the link said something about making digital copies... I thought they might be trying to disable digital copying... + ok + hey its kindof funny + i've got this song called 'descramble' + its the DeCSS source code, sang + dwihno: ah, yes. like everyone selling stuff in the US they must obey silly rules. but there are ways around the SCMS. (it's in the FAQ ;) + dwihno: but it's only over the SPDIF interface anyway. and nobody uses that + with the chorus "the dmca steps me... i don't like the dmca, it makes this song illegal" + PsycoXul: lol + :) + er "steps on me" + its bad recording, bad quality, bad performance but its kinda catchy :p + i like the lyrics... +* Bagder thinks songs by "decoded feedback" kind of fits on mp3 + how can you not love a song that starts off with + "this function is void.. it takes to args" + Zagor: Nothing about SCMS in the FAQ :/ + :p + hehehe + s/to/two/ + :-) + DMCA steps on me... i don't like the dmca it makes this song illegal, oooh... dmca, it steps on me and makes this song illegal, makes this song illegal + PsycoXul: You need coffee. + eye dew gnot. +* dwihno hands PsycoXul a steaming hot cup dé coffee +* PsycoXul hands it back, thanks anyways heh + coffee's nasty stuff man :p + and it pisses me off that innocent pot smokers are going to jail while everyone from gradeschoolers to their parents are hooked on caffiene :p + hehe + Gotta go. Bye folks! + You haven't made a 'scroll faster' patch yet? :) + bye Linus + nobody's doing patches :p + besides maybe archos heh +<-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox + hehe + I'll do my own patch ;D + sure + while you're at it, whip up some DSP code for PCM and ogg support + so i saw this new portable thing out + with 10G + can play mp3/wav but thats only a feature + works as usb master and slave, has ethernet and pc card + so what "thing" is it? + gotta run, see ya +<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox + bye + gah, too late :) + http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/57a3.shtml + that thing + it's rather sexy + but it's not an archos + archos is godsent! + ah, a harddisk with a display. how cute :) + rockbox is the archangel, sent to thame the archos! + its size is kindof odd + 7"x3.2"x1" + the price is, ehm, high + yeah +--> alkorr (alkorr@srs04m-8-122.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox + hey, alan! + hello people + its LCD sounds like its charcell too... says 20 chars x 4 lines + you are fast :) + like lightning :) + speaking about your project :) + but its got some interesting features + such as ability to use alkaline, ni-mh, or a li-ion battery pack + Psyco, what are you speaking about ? + can act as a usb master, has 10mb ethernet, pcmcia, and composite video out for viewing still images + heh + alkorr: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/57a3.shtml + terapin mine + its rather long at 7" though, "20 char x 4 line" lcd doesn't sound impressive, nor does 6 buttons, and costing so much for only 10G + looks very interesting if it was not its price + ga-zing-ga. file browser running on my 6k. + what'd be more interesting is if they sold them cheap without HD's + yeah, it's kind of a mix between an archos and a handheld. not being especially good for either + but being that its geared towards being a data storage device, they probably wouldn't do that heh + well I prefer a graphical lcd + unghh... sourceforge's CVS server seems to have bonked + ??? + yeah + bonked ? what does mean ? + it doesn't respond right now + bonked = died, sort of + ok + apparently it didn't like my latest patch :) + i feel like i got shortchanged on this little 11x2 charcell thing, i've seen $10 games at walmart with better displays heh + hehe + arf + ah, it's up again + but at least it does display stuff + there's so many players on the market that don't even have standard mp3 player features + PsycoXul: is yours a studio 10 or 20? + studio20 + http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/5a1a.shtml + ok + hey, it can almost fit the rockbox logo! ;) + hey thats kinda interesting... if you hooked an IR port into the serial port on your archos with custom firmware and then used that + get a joystick and mini keyboard and extra display + heh + yep. there's lots of cool stuff to be done on the archos + hum... interesting... + :) +* dwihno takes everybody down to earth again + :) + you dreamreaper :) + who'll be first with a keyboard->archos adapter? :) +--- dwihno is now known as DreamReaper + Mohahaha! + The Archos will NEVER be more than a music box! :D + *evil laughter* +--- DreamReaper is now known as dwihno + you forgot tetris :) + a PC keyboard should not be a problem + haha + Tetris is a toy for kids :) + Zagor: i keep thinking of a bi-directional IR via serial port + if your archos has the external serial line + PsycoXul: yeah, unfortunately bidir requires hw mod + yeah i know + i do plan on making hw mods eventualy + hm + bettery charged + So it's full now, eh? + please, consider my idea + which idea is that + there is the Linus' serial tool that we can connect between an archos and PC + yeah + if we have a PS/2<->serial adaptor + it should be virtually possible to connect a PC keyboard + heh + no ? + a PC keyboard sends 1200 baud, no parity, 8 bit, 1 start, 1 stop + am i wrong ? +<-- Zagor has quit (card.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) + so jukebox should be able to receive scancodes and handles it +--> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox + i've got 3 ps/2-serial adapters, but all 3 are made to plug into a serial port + and linus' serial adapter i'm guessing is also made to plug into a serial port + jukebox has no PC serial plug + ah, hi again :) + you need to have an intermediate + i know + thats what linus' adapter does right? + heh + <-- is off - no more "work" today ;D +--- dwihno is now known as dw|off + yeah + ah okay youre speaking about adapter + yeah the rs232 converter + then you just need the serial->archos adapter from the web page + PsycoXul: yup + which kind of rs232 port does that have? the kind like is on the computer on the kind like plugs into the computer? heh + it's db9 -> 3.5mm plug + i seem to recall somebody at some point saying they'd put pictures up of the thing + dumdidum, that was never me was it? :*) + Zagor: yes but i mean does it plug into the host port or do you plug a serial cable between the host port and the converter port or what? + Zagor: can you plug a serial device into it + or is it itself a serial device to be plugged in + it plugs into the PC and into the archos + i mean on the pc side + does it have the 9 pins or the 9 holes? heh + a stand serial wire + standard + wire between PC and adapter is female + unless Linus inverted it + so the rs232 converter's PC-style port is just like what you have on the back of your PC? heh + well if not the good one, just buy a male-female adapter :) + thats all i was wondering heh + on the pc, it is a male + my adapter has also a male adapter + huh it is like PC one + so if you had a serial keyboard you could plug it right into the rs232 converter? + let me find another keyboard here... + i've got 3 ps2->serial adapters heh + you should because i bought a 1 ps2->serial too + and it fits with my serial adapter for jukebox + ok + so it should be easy to hook a lot of stuff up to this sucker +* PsycoXul pictures a little 1-pixel mouse cursor drawn in a dynamically-updated custom char on his player :p + ok so for this thing + i see on national.com the LP2980IM5 + they have -2.5 through -5.0 + (i.e. LP2980IM5-2.5, ..., LP2980IM5-5.0) + i have to go. see you guys! + is that the output voltage or something? +<-- Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox + do i want the -3.3 then? + heh +<-- alkorr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +<-- wavey has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +--- Disconnected (Connection timed out). +**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 22 17:13:21 2002 + -- cgit v1.2.3