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1**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 1 00:01:10 2002
2
3--> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.213) has joined #rockbox
4--- Topic for #rockbox is web site might remain dead until saturday! :-(
5--- Topic for #rockbox set by Bagder at Thu May 30 11:07:24
6--- You are now known as adi|home
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8<edx> morning.
9<Tumm> morning
10--> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
11--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Zagor
12--- Zagor has changed the topic to: Does your box rock? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
13<Zagor> hey all
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15--> adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox
16* adam thought of something evil
17<adam> a perl script to automatically renew my library books via telnet :p
18<webmind> evil yes
19<adam> Machinae Supremacy - The Great Gianna Sisters
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25<Zagor> hey guys. time for 1.0 release.
26<webmind> neat :)
27<webmind> when ?
28--- dw|weekender is now known as dwihno
29<Zagor> soon. just fixing the web page
30<webmind> ok.. btw.. what are the functions/features of v1.0 ?
31<Zagor> hang on..
32<dwihno> Hej hej
33<Zagor> hi dwihno. 1.0 coming out in a few minutes.
34<Zagor> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/rockbox-1.0-notes.txt
35<dwihno> Cool!
36<dwihno> :D
37<dwihno> Beware of Rockbox - It will rock your box! :D
38<Zagor> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/download.html
39<dwihno> You are forgetting something - I have a recorder ;)
40<Zagor> ah, i'll add a comment about that
41<dwihno> I want to be mentioned too! :)
42<Zagor> hehe
43<dwihno> Please? :)
44<webmind> it seems to be becomming something :)
45<dwihno> I saw a 1.27D version of the archos firmware being released
46* dwihno is off to check what's new/fixed
47<Zagor> dwihno: any info about what changes?
48<dwihno> Added all Remote Functions via Remote Control Unit
49<dwihno> That's what's new in the D revision
50<Zagor> ok
51<dwihno> I got some new Sennheiser headphones today
52<dwihno> My old Philips died on me last night. May they rest in peace.
53<webmind> btw.. any chance there will sometime be a txt file reader in rockbox ?
54<dwihno> Sometime, probably
55<webmind> ok
56<Zagor> yeah, that's a simple thing
57<Zagor> PsycoXul was working on it yesterday, but got snagged on some bug
58<dwihno> Does the ID3 stuff parse ID3V2 tags?
59<Zagor> i think so
60<dwihno> mkay
61<Zagor> that's bagder's code
62<dwihno> bagder the badger :)
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64--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Zagor
65--- Zagor has changed the topic to: Version 1.0 released!
66<edx|away> hi!
67--- edx|away is now known as edx
68<edx> release 1.0 - that is cool :)
69<edx> for the recorder as well?
70<Zagor> no, just player
71<Zagor> we haven't got the recorder ata driver working yet
72<edx> ah.. ok ;)
73<edx> hmm
74<edx> too sad i cant help there :(
75<edx> lol... did you get that Search Engine mail...
76<Zagor> i get a looot of spam...
77<edx> Hi
78<edx> I visited http://bjorn.haxx.se, and noticed that you're not listed on some search engines! I think we can offer you a service which can help you increase traffic and the number of visitors to your website.
79<edx>
80<edx> bla.
81--- dwihno is now known as dw|gone
82<Zagor> you got that too?
83<edx> yup.
84<Zagor> hah
85<edx> what is wrong with the ata driver?
86<edx> a protocol related thing.. ?
87<Zagor> no, more likely the hardware interface is a little different from the players
88<edx> hmm
89<edx> the webserver is down?
90<Zagor> no, it's up again
91<edx> hmm i cant see it..
92<Zagor> odd
93<edx> not even haxx.se
94<edx> cant ping it either
95<edx> i gotta go eating :)
96<edx> later..
97<Zagor> bye
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102<edx> anyone here with an archos player?
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104<Tumm> yesbox
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107<edx> good night.
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127<webmind> bit onstable?
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142<Zagor> hey guys
143--> huz (~marco@AToulouse-103-1-2-61.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #rockbox
144<huz> hi all, glade to see the first release it there, i test it now !
145<huz> congratulations
146<huz> (where is my archos ? ;)
147<Zagor> thanks!
148--- huz is now known as huz|test
149<huz|test> befor i copy your archos.mod, i must ark you somthing :
150<huz|test> i'll already try to make : 'mv /mnt/archos/archos.mod ~/' and my computer freezed (sorry for my english ;)
151<huz|test> do you know why ?
152<Zagor> did it really freeze? it can take several minutes to copy the first file to/from the archos, due to it having to read the disk's FAT
153<huz|test> qok, i musted be impatient .. i try .. hoping i'll stay alive
154<huz|test> oh oh .. i've lot of 'Jun 2 19:08:23 debian kernel: SCSI disk error : host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 70000
155<huz|test> Jun 2 19:08:23 debian kernel: I/O error: dev 08:01, sector 33358
156<huz|test> in my /var/log/messages
157<Zagor> ouch, that doesn't look good
158<Zagor> which usb driver are you using?
159<huz|test> euhh .. UHCI i think, i verify
160<Zagor> uchi.o or usb-uhci.o ?
161<Zagor> you should not be using uhci.o
162<huz|test> ohci sorry
163<Zagor> ok
164<Zagor> what chipset are you using?
165<Zagor> have you got usb working for any other devices?
166<huz|test> yes my usb works for my Speedtouch ADSL modem
167<Zagor> ok
168<huz|test> but normally it works well
169<huz|test> :)
170--- huz|test is now known as huz|fixarchos
171<huz|fixarchos> ok, another solution : i'll do that atfter dinner with Windows
172<huz|fixarchos> bye
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174<Zagor> edx: are you here?
175<Zagor> can anyone build win32 simulators for me to put on the web page?
176<edx> zagor.. yes i am
177<edx> i can.
178<Zagor> good. download the 1.0 release and build that. one player sim and one recorder
179<edx> the new design of the page is cool btw ;)
180<Zagor> yeah. it's ironi's design
181<edx> shall i take the latest simulator code with the 1.0 app code or shall i also take 1.0 simulator code?
182<Zagor> the 1.0 release contains everything, so use that
183<edx> there's the uisw32.rc file missing in the 1.0 archive.
184<Zagor> uh, bad.
185<edx> it should be in cvs though
186<Zagor> yes
187<edx> .. and button.c is not yet player compatible..
188<edx> (shall i take the new one for compilation?)
189<Zagor> it isn't?
190<Zagor> is the simulator player compatible as a whole?
191<Zagor> if 1.0 only supports recorder, only build recorder
192<edx> it only supports the recorder...
193<Zagor> ok, no problem. just build that then.
194<edx> it is player compatible now (i only miss a player ui.. hehe other wise the simulator looks like a recorder even for the player)
195<edx> can i send the file via irc?
196<Zagor> sure
197<edx> do you get the request?
198<Zagor> yes, but not the file
199<edx> huh?
200<Zagor> mail it to me instead
201<Zagor> maybe it's my firewall
202<edx> yup
203<edx> (or my server?)
204<edx> do you have a front picture of a player?
205<Zagor> sure, on the devcon page
206<edx> ok.. got it..
207<edx> ill have a player design for the simulator in the next few days then ;)
208<Zagor> nice
209<edx> where exactly fails the ata driver for the recorder?
210<Zagor> when we try to send a command to it
211<edx> so it wont even initialize.. ?
212<Zagor> no
213<edx> hmm
214<edx> that is bad.
215<Zagor> we are going to add a serial port to our recorders this week and start experimenting
216<edx> hehe
217<edx> did you receive the mail yet?
218<Zagor> yes, got it
219<edx> ok
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221<huz> okback under win
222<Zagor> ok
223<huz> nice !:)
224<huz> first time i see the red led :)
225<Zagor> hehe, yes archos never uses it for some reason
226<huz> the sound now .. .
227<Zagor> problems?
228<huz> no, it works perfectly
229<Zagor> good
230<huz> do you want i make something ? a test or wathever ..
231<Zagor> do you have a new or old player?
232<Zagor> that is, did you download the player-old or player version?
233<huz> i've an archos JB600 , but how can i know if i have 'an old' or 'a new' player
234<huz> the player version
235<huz> not the old
236<Zagor> ok
237<Zagor> the ROM firmware version decides
238<huz> great we can exit the dir and the sound continue to play ! it'sgreat
239<Zagor> so how did you like the big rockbox logo on boot?
240<huz> euh .. there is a blank line in the midle of Rockbox
241<Zagor> yeah, but I think it's cool anyway :)
242<huz> vers 5.03 <- my firmware
243<Zagor> yeah, that's a new player
244<huz> yes logo is great, but isn't it possible to have a music's note (une note de musique ?)
245<huz> :)
246<huz> (ok ok .. i'll wait :)
247<Zagor> yeah it is
248<Zagor> next version :)
249<huz> i return under linux, i have a strange impression to be observed when i work w/ windows
250<huz> :)
251<webmind> hmm
252* webmind has 5.08
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254<webmind> quite odd
255<Zagor> what?
256<webmind> firmware 5.08
257<webmind> since newest online 5.07a
258<Zagor> that's not unusual. they don't release the mod files very quickly
259<webmind> ah ok
260<Zagor> every new release is first released in ROM and then (weeks later) as mod files
261<webmind> hm k
262<Zagor> I don't know why, but that's what they do
263<webmind> hm k
264<webmind> hope rockbox will develop soon.. archos firmware getting anoying as hell
265<Zagor> i think we will go far this summer. I will work on it almost full-time!
266<webmind> cewl
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269<huz> re
270<Zagor> hi. back in linux?
271<huz> yes :) fluxbox is nicer than windows :)
272<Zagor> indeed
273<huz> a friend of mine on #debian-france has a recorder, i think he is a bit jalous ;P
274<Zagor> hehe
275--- huz is now known as huz|away
276<huz|away> fabix ?
277<Zagor> huh?
278<huz|away> sorry, i begin to use irssi, and i make some errors :)
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282<huz> there is a problem on the web page
283<Zagor> what?
284<huz> http://rockbox.sourceforge.net/rockbox/ <- if you click 2002-06-01: Version 1.0 is released! Download it here. <- there
285<huz> you got a permission denied
286<huz> (is it understandable?;)
287<Zagor> fixing
288<Zagor> fixed
289<huz> yes it is, your efficient ;)
290<huz> (is it the good word ?)
291<Zagor> yep
292<Zagor> thanks :)
293<huz> is it normal that when we play files we can't have access to the volume ?
294<huz> or to the menu in general
295<huz> (sorry ... ;)
296<Zagor> you can, but right now you have to exit id3 mode first
297<huz> exact ! ok, i keep your mod
298<huz> it's really a great work, i know the project for some times now, and i really admire the work.
299<Zagor> thanks!
300<edx> gotta go...
301<edx> cya
302<Zagor> bye
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304* adam returns
305<Zagor> welcome :)
306<adam> hey
307* adam finished reading Guns of the South
308<adam> :p
309<adam> grr. evil Linux usb. *reboots*
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312<adam> curses
313<adam> one thing I miss in good ol RB v1 is the on button + arrow volume change
314<Zagor> yeah
315<adam> but hey
316<Zagor> we don't have multiple-key support yet, that's why it was left out
317<adam> time will fix that
318<Zagor> yup
319<Zagor> or I will, at least :)
320<adam> heh
321<adam> I'll go write an Everquest bot :p
322<adam> well, that'd be sick, and wrong
323<Zagor> :)
324<adam> Machinae Supremacy - March of the (Undead part II)
325<Zagor> yeah, they rock!
326<adam> ... Adjust my evil parentheses
327<adam> I've never seen the error led used in the standard archos firmware
328<Zagor> me neither
329<Zagor> i've never thought of it as an error led, though. i always felt it was an activity led
330<adam> he
331<adam> I noticed that in the rb firmware
332<Zagor> yeah
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336<elinenbe> 'ello there
337<Zagor> hi
338<elinenbe> late night?
339<Zagor> yeah, going to bed soon
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341<elinenbe> congradulations on the awesome work on the project
342<Zagor> thanks
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350<mat> hey
351* mat is gone.. autoaway after 30 min (log/on!page/on)
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356<PiotR> hi
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361<Tigren> hey
362<Tigren> any chance that 1.0 could screw up my jukebox?
363<Tigren> ie: erase data, screw up hard drive, etc?
364<Tigren> anyone at all?
365<Tigren> has 1.0 given you trouble?
366<-- Tigren (Tigren@cpe-24-31-57-196.socal.rr.com) has left #rockbox
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368<miah> hey, great to see you guys released a 1.0
369<miah> im testing it now
370<miah> seems to work fine with all my vbr stuff..
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373<edx> good morning.
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378<green> ok - wow. this is a cool project.
379<green> are any of the hackers online?
380<webmind> natm
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386<huz> hello
387<huz> is that normal the rockbox.sf.net returns a forbidden access to index.html ?
388<webmind> try /rockbox/ ?
389<huz> it works
390<webmind> ok
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392<Bagder> moo
393<webmind> oi
394<Lion> badger: What's the optimum malloc() size?
395<Bagder> you mean the biggest possible?
396<Bagder> there's currently 128kb available for malloc()
397<Lion> No, the standard block that doesn't fragment
398<Bagder> ah
399<Bagder> well
400<Bagder> its not that easy to say just one size, but if there's any size that matches that description it is 4064 bytes ;-)
401<Lion> k
402<Bagder> what do you want this for?
403--- huz is now known as huz|sdl
404<Lion> I came up with a method to handle playlists that's both memory efficient and doesn't need a ton of disk spins
405<Bagder> that is better than keeping the file name indices in memory?
406<Lion> Yeah
407<Bagder> so tell me! ;-)
408<Lion> Lemme write up some stuff for it
409<Bagder> sounds like a good idea ;-)
410<webmind> hmm :)
411<Lion> Hmm, my alg has a added benifit of doing a distance reshuffle
412<Bagder> what is a "distance" reshuffle?
413* Bagder fixes the daily build
414<Lion> Oh, wait, no it can't .. damn, I was thinking backwards.
415<Lion> distance reshuffle maximizes the distance between currently ordered entries
416<Bagder> ah
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418<Lion> THOUGH
419<Lion> It might be easy to do a reshuffle through block swaps as well as cell exchanges
420<Bagder> just remember that we need deterministic shuffle
421<Lion> Haha, yeah, that's the basis
422<Bagder> recorder build is broken again :-(
423<dwihno> Doesn't really matter since the code won't run on the target platform (yet) ;)
424<Bagder> it matters anyway
425<dwihno> yeah
426<dwihno> I'm just joking :)
427<dwihno> I guess monday morning isn't such a great time for jokes ;)
428<Bagder> heheh
429* Bagder hasnt
430<Bagder> eaten his breakfast sandwich yet
431<Bagder> daily-build for recorder is working again
432<Lion> THis is more designed for big playlists than small.
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434<Lion> But with a device of 6,10,20 gig, large lists are the nrom.
435<Lion> er, norm
436<Bagder> yeah
437<huz|sdl> sorry, i'm just an user but my playlist contains about 20 songs (one album)
438<Lion> Heh, then you should have bought a different device. :)
439<Bagder> we should deal nicely with small playlists too of course
440<Lion> They onyl thing that gets weird is shuffling small lists.
441<Bagder> why?
442<Lion> When I get done with the doc, you'll know why.
443<Bagder> hehe
444<Bagder> ok
445<dwihno> The built-in shuffle function in the original firmware is really bad :)
446<Lion> AH HAH
447<Lion> Never mind, I found a non-conditional way to shuffle even small lists
448--> adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox
449* adam peeks in
450<adam> perl overdose
451<huz|sdl> why in id3.c fonction stripspaces() you don't realloc the buffer ? is it a speed problem ? (i warn i'm not a quite brillant programmer)
452<Bagder> id3 doesn't use malloc() at all
453<adam> Heh, 2:36 AM
454<Bagder> we rather avoid malloc() and associated functions if possible
455<dwihno> is the malloc stuff slow?
456<huz|sdl> ok it is thus a speed limitation ?
457<Bagder> everything is relative
458<huz|sdl> :)
459<Bagder> actually
460<Bagder> using malloc() in this kind of system is really a sensitive matter
461<Bagder> so if we know what kind of memory sizes to use and we know it'll be used fairly often, it is better to use static buffers
462<Bagder> I don't think this malloc() is slowe than other malloc()s, in fact I believe it is faster than most (best-fit) implementations
463<Bagder> it might have a slightly higher amount of internal fragementation though
464<huz|sdl> ok thanks
465<Bagder> also, I made the id3.c work before we even had a malloc() working ;-)
466<dwihno> malloc is for chickens
467<dwihno> real men use static buffers :)
468<Bagder> >500 unread mail this morning
469<dwihno> eww
470<Bagder> quite some load
471<dwihno> that's what happens when you subscribe to pr0n bulletins ;)
472<Bagder> couldn't read mail when the site was down so this is like four days feed
473<dwihno> Eww
474<dwihno> That much mail in 4 days?
475<Bagder> yah
476<Bagder> me a mail type of guy
477<dwihno> That's perverted :)
478<Bagder> I'm involved in a fair amount of open source projects
479<dwihno> That's what I get in three years :)
480<dwihno> What mail client do you use?
481<dwihno> I bet you have 3000 filtering rules
482<Bagder> I subscribe to at least 4-5 cvs commit mailing lists
483<Bagder> I have 13 inboxes
484<Bagder> I get 150-170 mails daily
485<dwihno> What client?
486<dwihno> Pine?
487<Bagder> pine
488<dwihno> Mkay
489<dwihno> I think mutt is cute
490<Lion> Pine rocks
491<Lion> Pine+procmail
492<Bagder> I've tried mutt but never found reasons enough to switch from pine
493<huz|sdl> ok i goto go
494<Bagder> without procmail, life gets impossible ;-)
495<-- huz|sdl has quit ("leaving")
496* dwihno don't know what procmail is good for
497<Bagder> filtering
498<Lion> Yeah, and spamassassin also works miracles. :)
499<dwihno> mkay
500<Bagder> it is *THE* mail filtering system
501<dwihno> spamassassin sounds good :)
502<dwihno> KILL DA SPAM! :D
503<dwihno> I usually have filters matching *viagra* *debt consolidation* etc. ;)
504* Bagder runs for more coffee
505* dwihno got his 5dl cup of tea all filled up
506--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
507<Linus> boo!
508* dwihno gets scared and jumps up in a pinetree
509<Linus> :-)
510<Bagder> hey Linus
511<Bagder> good to not have Björn around? ;-P
512<Linus> nice and quiet
513<green> there was talk recently of removing sh-1 support from gcc.
514<green> I think a number of people complained, but I'm not sure what the final decision was.
515<dwihno> Hmm...
516<dwihno> Why would they remove it?
517<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox
518<Linus> dwihno: maybe because it isn't a very popular CPU?
519--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
520<Lion> Ok, you want to read this thing?
521<Bagder> machine died
522<dwihno> Linus: But why would they dump the support for an architecture they already have code for?
523<Lion> dwihno: THey have to maintain it.
524<Linus> maybe because they have changed their internal scheduler?
525<dwihno> Hm
526<dwihno> Linus: True, ture
527<Lion> http://www.leonine.com/~lion/temp/playlist.txt
528<dwihno> Lion Templin reminds me of Simon Templar
529<Lion> Heh.
530<green> no - because apparently sh-1 support has been broken since September 2001.
531<green> And nobody has bothered to fix it.
532<dwihno> Lion - the saint
533* dwihno listens to the saint theme
534<Linus> green: not exactly broken, but not entirely functional...
535<green> I'm just reading up on it. I don't think their complaint impacts this project.
536<green> GCC's default crt0 uses braf in some assembly, but that instruction isn't available on sh-1.
537<green> rockbox doesn't use gcc's crt0, right?
538<Linus> no, we have our own
539<dwihno> Evil shiznat 1x2.
540<green> How much ram on these devices?
541<Bagder> 2MB
542<Bagder> and we need as much as possible for mp3 buffering
543<adam> heh
544<dwihno> The memory consumption should be kept to a minumum allowing buff... yeah, exactly what Bagder says....
545<Lion> Bagder: You read that URL?
546<Bagder> no, I'll do that
547<adam> heh, does the buffer automatically read into the next file, like lets say you had a playlist, or does it start out anew with each opened file?
548<Bagder> it gets fed with the next file
549<adam> hmm
550<Bagder> or files if they are small
551<adam> It'd be an amusingly sadistic hardware hack to have a 64mb Buffer :p
552<adam> impossible, but amusing in any regards
553<Bagder> Lion: small first detail: write() will be supported, it just isn't right now
554<Lion> Bagder: THat's addressed at the bottom
555<Bagder> ok
556--> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
557<Bagder> hey ironi
558<adam> hey
559<ironi> hello bagder
560<ironi> adam
561<ironi> *yawn*
562* adam fumbles with tcp tunneling
563<ironi> i just wanted to see whats going on
564<adam> the things I do to play stupid LAN games :P
565<dwihno> ironi! :D You and I talked about Dell laptops a couple of days ago, yes?
566<ironi> dwihno: true, true
567<adam> all because these guys don't feel like crapping out the client/server code any earlier than they feel would be 'perfect'
568<dwihno> ironi: I've decided to get one :)
569<ironi> cool
570<dwihno> ironi: I would like to thank you for the tip :)
571<ironi> damnit damnit they lost
572<ironi> aaaargh
573<ironi> im so disappointed
574<dwihno> which what who?
575<ironi> (watching the world cup)
576--> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
577<Bagder> morning Zagor
578<Zagor> yay, what a crowd!
579* dwihno sighs with relief... Finally someone with some sanity in their pockets who realize the importance of the soccer championships ;)
580<ironi> croatia lost against mexico
581<ironi> scandalous
582<Bagder> Zagor: of course the recorder build was broken ,-)
583<Zagor> hehe
584<ironi> world cup is the only sporting event i care about
585<Zagor> the changelog doesn't indicate your checking last night
586<ironi> well except the summer olympics
587<Zagor> checkin, even
588<Bagder> nah
589<Bagder> I ran it again this morning
590<Bagder> I had to fix the script
591<Bagder> since the recorder output has changed namae
592<Bagder> name
593<Bagder> ajz
594<Zagor> right
595<ironi> any changes since the first buid?
596<ironi> (thinkig if its any use to put int he new one
597<Zagor> nothing useful over 1.0
598<ironi> k
599<ironi> well im going to get osme sleep
600<ironi> this wa smy last night-shift, returning to normal mode again
601<ironi> finally
602<ironi> and this week i have pretty much nothing to do whatsoever
603<Zagor> i'll have my hands full. resting, sleeping, eating... ;)
604<ironi> :-P
605<ironi> Zagor: no work this week?
606<Zagor> nope
607<ironi> what does /dns cvitan.com give you?
608<-- adam has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
609<ironi> what ip
610<Zagor> 194.236.60.242
611<ironi> ok
612<ironi> that is what it should be
613<ironi> i still get the old one
614<Zagor> ah
615<ironi> well it will probably go trough during the day
616<green> hmmm.. the gcc list says that sh-elf-as silently assembles what is supposed to be sh-1 code as sh-2 .. possibly introducing bad instructions.
617<green> has this been a problem on this project?
618<ironi> i am putting some effort into creating my poersonal homepage this week
619<ironi> one of those never ending projects
620<ironi> =)
621<dwihno> URL?
622* Bagder thinks Linus and Zagor might be able to answer to the assembler questions
623<ironi> none of interest yet =)
624<Linus> green: I haven't seen it yet...
625<Bagder> Zagor: how many mp3s do you have on your archos?
626<Bagder> you're the worst case I know ;-)
627* Bagder wonders what a static buffer for the playlist would take
628<webmind> few k ?
629<Zagor> Bagder: about 3500-4000 files
630<webmind> files ?
631<Zagor> mp3 files, on my archos
632<Zagor> green: no, we haven't been bitten by that
633<webmind> owh.. i though on mem
634<webmind> +t
635<Bagder> so 10000 files would go pretty far and only take 40000 bytes
636<Zagor> sounds good
637<dwihno> yeah, sounds pretty good
638<webmind> 40k ?
639<Bagder> almost
640<Lion> little more, but close
641<Lion> I'm going to send my doc to the list.
642<Zagor> Bagder: actually it's 5500+ files
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644<Linus> welcome!
645<Bagder> Zagor: well, 10000 is still sufficient ;-)
646<webmind> hi Lil_Missie
647<Zagor> yeah
648<Lil_Missie> hi webbie (:
649<Bagder> Zagor: you read Lion's suggestion?
650<Lil_Missie> stealing my words are you zagor?
651<Zagor> Bagder: which was that?
652<Bagder> Zagor: http://www.leonine.com/~lion/temp/playlist.txt
653<Zagor> Lil_Missie: i am?
654<Lil_Missie> 10:36 < Zagor> sounds good
655<Zagor> haha
656<Lil_Missie> 10:36 <@Witchy> sounds good (:
657<Lil_Missie> yes you were
658<Zagor> Bagder: reading now
659<Bagder> Zagor: you gonna keep this setup for the rockbox CVS commit mails?
660<green> is the firmware size limit really 200k? any idea why not more?
661<Bagder> green: probably only the intial loaded file
662<Bagder> green: once we have a rolo we can load whatever size we want
663<green> rolo?
664<Bagder> Rockbox Loader
665<Bagder> like lilo
666<Zagor> Bagder: you mean cvs@haxx?
667<Bagder> Zagor: yes
668<Zagor> no, that was just temporary
669<dwihno> rolo! :D
670<Bagder> Zagor: I just wanna know for my procmail filtering
671<dwihno> ROLO WILL OWN! :D
672<Zagor> Bagder: ah
673<green> I'm confused then. does rolo exist?
674<Zagor> green: no
675<green> can it exist?
676<Zagor> yes, it's something we plan to write
677<Bagder> green: no, but it would be cool to have a tiny little app loaded first, that can offer the user to load any of set of images
678<green> ok
679<green> I hack on gcj (the gnu java compiler), and I was looking for a fun embedded target to use for J2ME tests. I might need more that 200k though.
680<Bagder> the 200k limit is only for the file the firmware loads
681<Lion> Haha, java on the archos would be great.
682<webmind> no
683<Bagder> I mean the original ROMed firmware
684<Zagor> i have to run som errands. see you later guys!
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686<Lion> So, about that file?
687<Lion> Any comments?
688<green> I've just created binutil/gcc patches to create an sh-rockbox target.
689<green> I need this to configure the java runtime properly.
690<webmind> btw is the rom overwriteable ?
691<green> I don't know if this would be useful to anybody though.
692<Bagder> webmind: some revisions of the hardware do offer this capability, but don't expect us to attempt that ;-)
693<green> Is there a plan to use more threads in the firmware?
694<webmind> heh
695<green> I think I only see 1 being created.
696<Bagder> green: if we need to
697<green> The gcc hackers are adding compiler support for thread local storage.
698<Bagder> cool
699<green> An sh-rockbox configuration would be necessary in order for it to work on this project.
700<green> Maybe that's a good argument to check this in.
701<Bagder> I'm not sure we need any particular thread local storage at this point :-)
702<Bagder> we might need that in the future though of course
703<-- Lil_Missie has quit ("<frogulox>im more than happy to keep playing with you :) [22:45] <Gorilla> I love you Cadavre")
704* Bagder runs on a meeeting
705* Bagder is away: I'm busy
706* Bagder is back (gone 00:14:41)
707<Lion> woo
708--> HEMIL (SFDSA@175-SEVI-X25.libre.retevision.es) has joined #rockbox
709<HEMIL> PERO QUE COÑO ES ESTO??
710<webmind> no
711<dwihno> hamburgesa con keso, por favor
712<Bagder> si si
713<HEMIL> pero vamos a ver?
714<HEMIL> donde coño eestoy?
715<webmind> er ?
716<HEMIL> esto no es el puto irc??
717<HEMIL> hispano?
718<Bagder> estas aqui ;-)
719<dwihno> vamos ala discoteca
720<HEMIL> de donde han salido esto s grupos tan raros??
721<HEMIL> tanto linux y tantas pollas en vinagre?
722<HEMIL> que garito es esto?
723<Bagder> hablamos ingles aqui
724<webmind> uhm
725<webmind> dudes
726<webmind> english ?
727<Bagder> right
728<Bagder> that's what i said ;-)
729<HEMIL> no!
730<webmind> heh
731<webmind> yes
732<HEMIL> this is a big shit!
733<Bagder> haha
734<webmind> bi
735<green> better
736<webmind> er
737<webmind> no
738<HEMIL> home english solutions
739<Bagder> no, it isn't
740<HEMIL> yes of course
741<HEMIL> HEMIL> ME CAGO EN DIOS
742<HEMIL> <Vladimirr> Ja, helt enig
743<HEMIL> <HEMIL> JA?
744<HEMIL> <HEMIL> tu puta madre!
745<HEMIL> esto es ....
746<webmind> so?
747<HEMIL> AHORA LO ENTIENDO
748<HEMIL> ESTO ES UN CHAT
749<webmind> could u plz not shout ?
750<HEMIL> DE LINUX
751<Bagder> now speak enligh please
752<HEMIL> de gente subbersiva
753--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder
754<HEMIL> que ha creado un servidor
755<webmind> the fact that u dont have aol in .se doesnt mean u have to compansate :)
756<-- Bagder has kicked HEMIL from #rockbox (Bagder)
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758<HEMIL> joder
759<HEMIL> ahora lo entiendo
760<webmind> what ?
761--- Bagder sets ban on *!*@*.libre.retevision.es
762<-- Bagder has kicked HEMIL from #rockbox (Bagder)
763<webmind> neat
764<webmind> weirdo
765<Bagder> silly person
766<Bagder> first ban ever in this channel ;-)
767<webmind> ok..
768<webmind> always has to be a first
769<webmind> what did he want btw ?
770<Linus> He mentioned someting about us creating a channel about something that isn't a linux topic
771<webmind> weird
772<Bagder> and he said he understood several times ;-)
773<webmind> ok
774<Bagder> I don't understand what he understood though ;-)
775<Bagder> hehe
776<webmind> heh
777<webmind> me neither..
778<webmind> my spanish is even worse then my german :)
779<webmind> witch makes it better then my icelandic
780<webmind> which
781<Linus> ...or did he ask us if we knew about a channel that talks abour Linux...?
782<Linus> whatever
783<webmind> hehe
784<webmind> lol
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786<green> is it possible to use the USB port while music is playing?
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788<webmind> dunno
789<Linus> oops
790<Bagder> green: I think so, we just can't use the disk
791<webmind> but it would require 2 object using the hd i think
792<Bagder> Linus: <green> is it possible to use the USB port while music is playing?
793<webmind> hmm
794<Linus> well, not really
795<Linus> it all depends on how the ISD200 behaves
796<webmind> isnt the usb adapter not just only connected to the hd controller ?
797<Linus> The USB adapter is connected to the ATA interface
798<Linus> as is the CPU
799<webmind> yes
800<Linus> and a couple of buffers isolate the CPU/ISD200 from the ATA interface
801<webmind> so u would have to communicate with usb through the ATA interface ?
802<Linus> these buffers are controlled with port pins from the CPU
803<Linus> You mean CPU communicating with the PC via USB?
804<webmind> directly to the usb iface ?
805<Linus> The ISD200 only talks ATA with the disk
806<webmind> hm k
807<Linus> and the CPU can talk ATA if it disables the ISD200
808<Linus> I gotta go now! CU!
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810<webmind> hm k
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813<huz> back ::)
814<Bagder> hi
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816<Bagder> so there was a posting to that yahoo group for archos?
817<Bagder> about the 1.0 release I mean
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819<Bagder> rehi
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823<Bagder> multiple Björns!
824<Tumm> you should drop a line on www.funmp3players.com
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826<Zagor> i have
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831<Zagor> xchat crashed :(
832<Zagor> bagder, are you working on the playlist code?
833<Bagder> not yet
834<Zagor> ok
835<Bagder> I'll probably not do anything major until tomorrow evening
836<Zagor> ok
837* Bagder made the most blatant newbit error in CVS
838<Bagder> newbie
839<Zagor> hehe
840<Bagder> I didn't set a tag right after I made a branch
841* Bagder has to merge 150 files with single invoke cvs commands
842<Bagder> great fun
843<Bagder> damn it
844<Bagder> I'll write a script anyway
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846<edx> hi
847<Bagder> g'day edx
848<Zagor> hi
849* edx wants ata working :P
850* Bagder agrees
851<Zagor> yeah, we all do
852<edx> right now.. are you using the same code for player / recorder?
853<Bagder> yes
854<edx> that's the ata.c file?
855<Bagder> yes
856<Bagder> if you run the archos.ajz file on target, I belive it stops on ata: -5 at this point
857<edx> heh.. i dont have a clue of this hardware business :).. what function is it in?
858<edx> if (ata_spindown(1))
859<edx> return -5;
860<edx> there?
861<Bagder> exactly
862<edx> do you know where inside the spindown function it returns? (or where it sets ret = -1)?
863<Zagor> it times out on response from the command. it does that on any command you send
864<edx> if (time > 255)
865<edx> there?
866<edx> hm no.. sorry that cant even be.. lol
867<edx> then that's the first waitforrdy call...
868<edx> hmmm..
869<edx> why does the freeze_lock thing not return -1?
870<edx> it uses the command thing as well.
871<edx> anybody with me? :)
872<Zagor> it does
873<Bagder> I'm not ;-)
874<edx> hmm it does return -1?
875<Zagor> oh, that
876<edx> that seems to work then.. right?
877<Zagor> no, the recorder simply returns -4. -5 was for a test where we had uncommented freeze_lock()
878<edx> ahh ok
879<edx> (bagder just said it was -5.. heh)
880<Zagor> don't listen to him :)
881<edx> the waitforrdy fails.. right?
882<edx> the first or the second one?
883<edx> sorry for bothering you with questions ;)
884<Zagor> i don't remember. the second, i think
885<Bagder> gotta run, see ya
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887<edx> im away for a few mins as well now ;)
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890<Zagor> i'm off for today. bye guys!
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895<alkorr> hi !
896<alkorr> geee people are growing here !
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903<ironi> i'm here, but i'm still the same height and weight.
904<ironi> haven't grown a bit.
905<edx> huh?
906<edx> what's that stuff you smoke, ironi?
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908<ironi> =)
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919<kop> hi
920<kop> Congrads on 1.0
921<kop> Too bad it won't do ogg.
922<kop> It'd be nice if it'd do some sort of lossless compression too.
923<kop> bye
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926<dwihno> Hmm... Audio, lossless compression? How... *ponder*
927<wettoad> simple
928<wettoad> remove all the bytes that = 5
929<wettoad> then randomly add 5 when you play the music
930<dwihno> ;)
931<datazone> well, i have a better idea
932<datazone> since all sound sounds the same at two points: zero volume, and infinite loud volume
933<datazone> you can then store an infinite amount of music in an extremly small space
934<wettoad> the you only need 32 bits
935<wettoad> word
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938<carlf> Hello all.
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941<elinenbe> on Slashdot.... nice. The only thing is people do not understand the purpose of the project.
942<wettoad> what is the purpose
943<elinenbe> Everyone is being quite hard on the project.
944<elinenbe> hey, EDX
945<edx> hi
946<edx> whats about slashdot?
947<elinenbe> I was wondering if you could e-mail me a binary of the win32 simulator?
948<elinenbe> the project is on the front page of slashdot
949<edx> hmm i thoink bjorn even has a release compile on the site...
950<edx> WHAT?
951<elinenbe> yeah. It is right there!
952<elinenbe> a release of the win32 simulator?
953<edx> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/download.html
954<edx> down there somewhere...
955<edx> LOL
956<edx> pretty cool.. that slash dot thing
957<dwihno> hellö hellö
958<elinenbe> did you hear the ROLO idea?
959<edx> rhe rockbox loader..
960<edx> not exactly..
961<elinenbe> Rockbox Boot Loader... having a loader will allow firmwares >200k to be loaded
962<edx> ah ok
963<edx> hmm it has another advantage:
964<edx> the descrambling of the firmware takes time.. a loader could be descrambled and then load an unscrambled mod...
965<edx> that would save boot-up time
966<dwihno> hm
967<dwihno> never thought of that... smart
968<edx> hmm.. I just heard slashdot is popular. how popular is it?
969<elinenbe> it is quite popular.
970<elinenbe> actually very popular
971<dwihno> Yeah... :)
972<dwihno> slashdot is really fancy stuff
973<elinenbe> that is a great idea. mention that to others: the descrambling of the firmware takes time.. a loader could be descrambled and then load an unscrambled mod...
974<edx> talked about it with bagder.. he mentioned rolo then.
975<edx> when has the post been put up on slashdot?
976<edx> (88 replies.. lol)
977<edx> lol some stupid stuff ppl write sometimes ... :)
978<edx> (and why dont we have a visitor counter... :P )
979<edx> ... i gotta leave for school.. cu later.
980<elinenbe> later
981<elinenbe> have fun
982<elinenbe> there is an access log on the web page
983<elinenbe> ask bjorn about it or someone else...
984<edx> k :)
985<edx> later.
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991<wiggles> there is a mistake in the FAQ
992<wiggles> specifically a typo in Q18
993<wiggles> I quote
994<wiggles> << Q18. What about supporting playing of wav files?
995<wiggles> A18. No Bill. We have no intention of that. Go buy your own project. >>
996<wiggles> this makes very little sense. wav files, though they originated with windows, are very well documented at the moment. it would make more sense if it said "wma files" or "asf files"
997<wiggles> also, wav files do not compete directly with mp3 files. wma files however do directly compete with mp3 files
998<wiggles> i'm done complaining. i'll shut up now
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1000* adi|home thinks ppl don't understand sarcasm.
1001<adi|home> "_
1002<adi|home> :)
1003<dwihno> hehe
1004<dwihno> yeah
1005<dwihno> everybody thinks everybody are so serious
1006<wettoad> its cause there is no sarcasm font
1007<dwihno> yup
1008<wettoad> i think it should be left slated italics
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1010<Bagder> /. :-)
1011<Bagder> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/04/0018259
1012<adi|home> i do think i did do a good job making that FAQ nice and sarcasm ladden if i do say so myself
1013<Bagder> hehe, I agree
1014<adi|home> hehe you see all the DMCA comments?
1015<Bagder> yeah
1016<Bagder> almost every second posting seems to mention that in one way or another
1017<adi|home> i like this:
1018<adi|home> ust tried the mod out, works great on my Studio 20, of course the UI has quite a bit till it's up to the current archos build, but it's good to see someone making progress.
1019<adi|home> the cool thing about these players it you don't have to actually flash the rom, they boot off of the internal rom for a second and immediately look for a file in the root for updates, if
1020<adi|home> the file's not there they just continue to boot from hardware.
1021<adi|home> heheh
1022<adi|home> and i also dig the fact that the FAQ is actually being useful :)
1023<adi|home> way to go Bagder
1024<Bagder> slashdot is likely to be a very good place to get attention
1025<adi|home> yah think?
1026<adi|home> you ever hear of slashdot-effect
1027<Bagder> hehe yes
1028<adi|home> i hope his server can handle it :)
1029<Bagder> we'll see ;-)
1030<Bagder> Björn has written some scripts to deal with too heavy loads
1031<Bagder> it'll be interesting to see if they work ;-)
1032<adi|home> lol
1033<adi|home> Im watching a show on the WTC sept 9th ....
1034<adi|home> i am _never_ going to forget those images...
1035* adi|home sighs
1036<wettoad> i actually saw tha anounce on fershmeat first
1037<wettoad> i have never seen it there before
1038<Bagder> it wasn't there before 1.0
1039<adi|home> hey Bagder.. thats a mighty sexy headshot ;)
1040<Bagder> hah ;-)
1041<adi|home> i think we need a hit counter on the main site...
1042<adi|home> im interested to see how we've done ;)
1043<Bagder> I wanna know too!
1044<Bagder> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.brisset/kernel3d/kernel3d.html
1045<Bagder> we should have one of those for rockbox ;-)
1046<Lion> So, Bagder, you never really commented on the rest of the doc I submitted ...
1047<Bagder> you mean the "caching" and the saving parts?
1048<Lion> That, and the assumed acceptance of the byte-offset method for storing list entries.
1049<Bagder> the byte-offset method is already used in the playlist code we have ;-)
1050<Bagder> and I like that approach
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1052<Bagder> we will benefit from a cache system too, to avoid reading from the disk more than necessary
1053<Lion> Well, hell, if I'm just repeating what's been said before, *shrug*
1054<Bagder> hehe
1055<Bagder> only partly
1056<Bagder> the current code loads a playlist and creates a single index with all byte-positions for all file names
1057<Bagder> and it offers a randomizer
1058<Bagder> I don't think we need to store the cache on save though
1059<Lion> I never talked about doing that.
1060<Bagder> no
1061<Bagder> saving needs to save the random seed to
1062<Bagder> too
1063<Lion> Not everyone shuffles.
1064<Bagder> true, but for those who do
1065<globbe> sorry if this is an obvious question, but will the firmware work with my jukebox recorder 20?
1066<Bagder> globbe: it _will_, it just don't do it right now ;-)
1067<globbe> haha :)
1068<globbe> looking forward to that :)
1069<Bagder> globbe: we do have a simulator running though
1070<Bagder> yeah, I do too
1071<Bagder> I only have a recorder myself ;-)
1072<globbe> youve done a beautiful job :)
1073<Lion> ok
1074<Lion> mav
1075<globbe> I'm just about to order the ACCESSORY KIT, to get the remote.. is it worth the money?
1076<globbe> (yep that was a cut 'n paste)
1077<Bagder> I dunno, I don't have one
1078<globbe> oki
1079<globbe> thanks anyway.. I'll keep an eye on the webpage for that jukebox 20 upgrade then.. Good luck!
1080<Bagder> thanks
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1084<Hadaka> whee, rockbox looks awesome
1085<Bagder> ;-)
1086<Bagder> we think so too!
1087<Hadaka> I've got a Recorder 20 - with usb 2.0 and all that - I suppose it's not working on that yet?
1088<Bagder> no, not yet
1089<Bagder> still some problemos on the ata driver there
1090<dwihno> But it's progressing! :)
1091<dwihno> Progress ! Yay!
1092<Hadaka> well I can try some test versions whenever those would come around
1093<Bagder> we'll announce them on the mailing list and the web site as soon as we have any
1094<Hadaka> have to see if I would manage to squeeze some time from other project to code a bit on this
1095<Bagder> we always appreciate more hands in the cookie jar ;-)
1096<Hadaka> hm, you've implemented fat filesystem code yourself there?
1097<Bagder> yes
1098<Hadaka> hmmh, I wonder if it would be possible to have a small fat filesystem for bootstrapping the new firmware and then some other filesystem for the rest of the disk...
1099<Bagder> yes it would
1100<Bagder> at least some people have said so
1101<Hadaka> I'm currently having some files as a big file containing ext3 that I'm mounting loopback
1102<dwihno> Is there any limitation on the disk size btw?
1103<Bagder> hm, it wouldn't surprise me if there is one
1104<dwihno> I've read about upgrades to 40 gig
1105<Bagder> isn't there some ~130GB limit/problem ?
1106<Bagder> for standard ata/ide
1107<Bagder> 40GB is no problem
1108<adi|home> anyone else been watching the World Cup?
1109* Bagder hasn't
1110<adi|home> you sinner
1111<adi|home> anyone seen edx around?
1112<Bagder> I'm probably the only one in Sweden ;-)
1113<adi|home> wanted to let him know he did a great job on tetris
1114<adi|home> lol@Bagder
1115<adi|home> your boys played once already no?
1116<webmind_> world cup? sth with bra's ?
1117<Bagder> yes, against England
1118<Bagder> yes, tetris was zoomed, wasn't it?
1119<webmind_> ?
1120* Bagder just read the CVS commit mail
1121<adi|home> yup.. it was..
1122<adi|home> now I just wanna work on the level timings
1123<adi|home> level 1 is a bit fast
1124<adi|home> whats the matter webmind_
1125<Bagder> well, we'll see how it compares to the actual target timings later on ;-)
1126<adi|home> hehe
1127<webmind_> zoomed ?
1128<adi|home> oh.. tetris used to be VERY small
1129<adi|home> the pieces were 1 pixel wide
1130<adi|home> so tought to work with...
1131<adi|home> edx fixed that by increasing their size (as well as the size of the game board)
1132<webmind_> hm k
1133<webmind_> so wide is your playing field btw?
1134<webmind_> +how
1135<adi|home> umm.. not sure.. ill tell ya in a sec
1136<adi|home> #define TETRIS_TITLE_XLOC 43
1137<adi|home> #define TETRIS_TITLE_YLOC 15
1138<adi|home> i think thats it
1139<webmind_> 15 wide ?
1140<webmind_> nice
1141<adi|home> have you played with the simulator?
1142<webmind_> nope
1143<webmind_> not yet
1144<adi|home> you on windows or linux?
1145<adi|home> or mac :)
1146<webmind_> url maybe in topic ?
1147<webmind_> linux
1148<webmind_> and windows :)
1149<webmind_> running linux but have as vnc session to a win box
1150<adi|home> ahh... if you want i can send you a binary for the simulator
1151<adi|home> for linux
1152<adi|home> ill fix the link
1153<webmind_> uhm
1154<webmind_> sure
1155<webmind_> cant i just get form the site ?
1156--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to adi|home
1157--- adi|home has changed the topic to: "Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox"
1158--- adi|home has changed the topic to: Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox
1159<adi|home> sure ya can...
1160<adi|home> just wasnt sure if you did or not ;)
1161<webmind_> hmm thnx
1162<adi|home> no rush
1163<adi|home> do you have a recorder or player?
1164<webmind_> btw ur forgetting a "/" ;)
1165<webmind_> player
1166<adi|home> no im not...
1167<adi|home> you shouldn't need it...
1168<webmind_> shouldn't need it
1169<Tumm> hehe
1170<Tumm> slashdot... not bad :)
1171<webmind_> but doesnt always work
1172<webmind_> and rfc sez u should :)
1173<adi|home> heheheh
1174<adi|home> fine.. be annoying ;)
1175--- adi|home has changed the topic to: Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
1176<adi|home> hey Tumm
1177<webmind_> cewl :)
1178<adi|home> yup.. and freshmeat.. we're proud ;)
1179<Bagder> announcing everywhere! ;-)
1180<Tumm> seen anything of the slashdot effect yet?
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1183<webmind_> uhm
1184<webmind_> mind if i give some comment on the player sim ?
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1187<adi|home> sure..
1188<adi|home> always looking for comments
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1190<adi|home> even mail to the list if you wish
1191<webmind_> ah.. wrong argument gives more info then -help (gives version only)
1192<webmind_> and when i just start it.. it dies emediatly
1193<adi|home> hmm?
1194<adi|home> oh, you mean on the configure?
1195<webmind_> what configure ?
1196<adi|home> i dont understand what you mean about the help file?
1197<adi|home> or help.
1198<webmind_> when u start the simulator
1199<webmind_> u just get the argument
1200<webmind_> when u do: player -help
1201<webmind_> u just get the version
1202<adi|home> right it doesn't take any arguments
1203<adi|home> its simulating the firmware
1204<adi|home> firmware doesn't take args
1205<webmind_> when u give a wrong argument like player --help it gives a list of possible arguments
1206<webmind_> that's not what it tells me :)
1207<adi|home> hmm.. that must be recent.. hadn't noticed
1208<webmind_> rockboxui 0.1
1209<webmind_> eXcellent GUI
1210<webmind_> Unrecognised option: --help
1211<webmind_> Options include: -root, -window, -mono, -install, -noinstall,
1212<webmind_> -visual <arg>, -window-id <arg>, -server <arg>, -help.
1213<adi|home> OHHH..
1214<adi|home> i know why
1215<webmind_> that :)
1216<adi|home> its not the sim
1217<webmind_> sorry for the paste
1218<adi|home> its the X files
1219<adi|home> we did a hack and slash off of another X interface
1220<adi|home> so we could get the gui stuff going
1221<webmind_> uhm k
1222<adi|home> ill see if i can fix that
1223<webmind_> this what it said under player simulator
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1225<adi|home> okay.. it no longer takes args...
1226<adi|home> it tells you not to use them if you try, then it exits
1227<adi|home> okay.. now about your exit problem...
1228<adi|home> you need to create a dir called 'archos'
1229<adi|home> its treated as the root dir
1230<adi|home> try this, download the daily tarball
1231<adi|home> untar it
1232<adi|home> cd into tools
1233<adi|home> and run the configuration file
1234<adi|home> that should set up everything you need
1235<Bagder> or just do 'mkdir builddir; cd builddir; ../tools/configure; make'
1236<adi|home> yuppers
1237* adi|home heads off to bed and fall asleep to soccer
1238<adi|home> god i love world cup time :)
1239<Bagder> night adi
1240<webmind_> bye
1241<webmind_> hmm
1242<webmind_> where can i download tetris ?
1243<adi|home> you don't have to...
1244<adi|home> compile for the recorder
1245<adi|home> its part of the sim
1246<webmind_> not for player ?
1247<Bagder> tetris for the player would be slightly limited
1248<webmind_> damn
1249<webmind_> to small a screen ?
1250<Bagder> to small, and not flexible enough
1251<webmind_> hmm damn
1252<adi|home> basicallly.. the player only has 2 lines
1253<adi|home> the recorder has much more flexibility
1254<webmind_> damnit
1255<webmind_> awell
1256<webmind_> toobad
1257<webmind_> have fix a gameboy then
1258<webmind_> :)
1259<adi|home> or buy a recorder ;)
1260<webmind_> gameboy somewhat cheaper :)
1261<adi|home> recorder much mroe fun ;)
1262<webmind_> hmm
1263<webmind_> no cash for that
1264<Bagder> http://storebror.haxx.se/nonstop/
1265<Bagder> first basic test
1266<Bagder> I'd say very basic
1267<adi|home> what are you trying to do?
1268<Bagder> build for all platforms when changes are made to CVS
1269<Bagder> to verify the builds
1270<adi|home> got ya
1271<Bagder> too often some casual change a build that the person who did the change didn't test
1272<Bagder> hm, weirdly put but I guess you understand ;-)
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1274<Linus> hi guys!
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1276<Zagor> hey guys
1277<Linus> yo Zagor!
1278<Zagor> seems the web site survived slashdot
1279<Linus> but not the SSH server...?
1280<Zagor> that was the silly lids bugging
1281<Linus> ah ok
1282<Zagor> fixed now
1283<Zagor> we got a flood of new mail list subscriptions too :)
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1285<Bagder> rehi
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1287<edx> yo
1288<Bagder> hey edx
1289<Zagor> hi bagder
1290<Zagor> edx!
1291<edx> im at school currently.. :(
1292<Zagor> i wonder if anyone got booted to the web mirror
1293<Bagder> Zagor: check my initial attempt: http://storebror.haxx.se/nonstop/
1294<edx> zagor.. you have any information about how many ppl have been on the page yet :)
1295<Zagor> apparently we didn't suffer too badly anyway
1296<Zagor> edx: i'll do a log analysis later
1297<edx> ok hehe
1298<edx> .. it doesnt stay too long on the front page of slashdot, does it?
1299<Zagor> Bagder: ah, nice
1300<Zagor> edx: no. a day, maybe two
1301<Bagder> Zagor: it isn't automatic yet or anything, but the basic scripts seem to be working
1302<edx> bagder: recorder simulator (win32) version is missing heh
1303<Zagor> we're 131 people on the list now
1304<Bagder> edx: when you have that buildable on my linux box, I'll add it ;-)
1305<edx> bah :P
1306<edx> use vmware or something lol
1307<Bagder> I'll build 9 different combinations
1308<edx> yeez.. one min till class starts.. :/
1309<edx> later.
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1311<Bagder> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=33624&cid=3636700
1312<Bagder> fine comment
1313<Zagor> yup. i'm going through all comments, replying to some of them
1314<Bagder> way to go
1315<Zagor> there, the most frequently comments adressed
1316<Zagor> we should add a FAQ about DMCA...
1317<Bagder> yes
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1320<Zagor> hi ChrisJ
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1323<edx|class> yo
1324<Linus> yo
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1326<Zagor> hehe
1327<Bagder> you scared him off!
1328<Zagor> so linus, when will you fix me up a serial port for my recorder? :)
1329<edx|class> still in class :/
1330* Zagor is very scary
1331<edx|class> lol ill have irc running during class heh - teachers wont get it anyways
1332<edx|class> (just cant chat so its no use lol)
1333<Bagder> edx|class: you can read when we chat about you ;-)
1334<edx|class> hmm number of ppl in irc increased :)
1335<Linus> Well Zagor. Why me? :-)
1336<Bagder> Linus: you are the chosen one
1337<Zagor> Linus: because you're our solder slave
1338* Linus feels special
1339<edx|class> :P
1340* edx|class needs a slave as well
1341<dwihno> Linus: How far away is a mp3 decoder for the recorder series? :)
1342* Bagder kneels in front of the solder slave
1343<Zagor> dwihno: heh, we definitely need gdb first...
1344<Linus> dwihno: It's only about 100% left
1345<edx|class> .. teacher's back in a sek.. *bye*
1346<dwihno> Linus: Yay! :D So it's started! :D
1347<Bagder> haha
1348<Linus> Have we heard of any bugs yet?
1349* Bagder hasn't
1350<Zagor> nope
1351<Zagor> what, would we write bugging code? *offended*
1352<dwihno> ata: -5
1353<dwihno> I rest my case ;)
1354<Zagor> i'd like to get people to try some songs they get skips on
1355<Zagor> dwihno: well, that's not released. it doesn't count :)
1356<dwihno> Zagor: now you're making exceptions! :)
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1358<dwihno> Oh no!
1359<dwihno> Poor Zagor
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1361<Zagor> whoops, killed the wrong xterm :)
1362<Linus> Linux newbie
1363<Zagor> haha
1364<Bagder> hehe
1365<Bagder> more more!
1366<Linus> Zagor: I managed to compile 2.4.19-pre9 on my new A7V333 yesterday
1367<Linus> Zooooooooom!
1368<Zagor> Linus: neato
1369<Linus> Runs like the wind
1370<Linus> But man, it takes forever to compile wit PIO on the hard drive
1371<Linus> And all those compiling errors...
1372<Zagor> compile errors?
1373<Linus> I guess pre9 is somewhat on the edge
1374<Linus> Yeah. Some of the drivers didn't compile at all
1375<Linus> Like the Texas 1394 driver
1376<Bagder> that's neat.... eh. not
1377<dwihno> Texas 1x2 driver
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1380* Bagder thinks we have a "most people in channel ever record"
1381<Zagor> heh, yeah
1382* dwihno is pretty pissed off
1383<dwihno> My $130 headphones are fux0ring!
1384* Bagder tried the nonstop script after Linus fix
1385<Bagder> worked nicely
1386<Linus> c00l
1387<Bagder> I check for differences in the CVS/Entries files after a cvs update
1388<Bagder> if there are, I rebuild all
1389<Linus> Nice
1390<Linus> Tinderbox?
1391<Bagder> homebrewed tinderbox ;-)
1392<Bagder> the real thing seems a bit more complicated
1393<Zagor> thunderbox?
1394<Linus> :-)
1395<Bagder> lunchbox
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1397<Zagor> Linus: why did you move NUM_TICK_TASKS to the header file?
1398<Linus> Because I felt that it belonged there
1399<Zagor> but it's only used in the .c file, right?
1400<Linus> yes, but the max number of allowed tasks should be public info...or?
1401<Zagor> oh, that's what it is? not exactly obvious from the name :)
1402<Linus> I can change it to MAX_NUM_TICK_TASKS
1403<Zagor> no problem, i was just curious
1404<Linus> CVS through an SSH tunnel through an HTTP proxy rocks! :-)
1405<Bagder> well isn't it cvs through ssh through ssh through http proxy? ;-)
1406<Linus> yeah
1407<Linus> I think that the ID3 parsing should be done by the MPEG thread.
1408<Bagder> I think so too
1409<Linus> At least the parsing of the songs we're playing
1410<Bagder> yeah
1411<Bagder> there migth be reasons to do out "on demand" too at times of course
1412<Bagder> to do it
1413<Linus> yup.
1414<Linus> So we need to make it reentrant... :-(
1415<Bagder> argh
1416<Linus> agreed
1417<Bagder> nah, why?
1418<Bagder> we just won't yield() in it
1419<Linus> we yield in the ATA code
1420<Bagder> ah
1421<Linus> it bites
1422<Bagder> say no more ;-)
1423<Bagder> http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-auto/
1424<Linus> Bagder: can you make it your mission to fix the ID3 code?
1425<Bagder> yessir!
1426--- Linus is now known as Linus|brb
1427<Bagder> the auto page is now running
1428<Bagder> let's hope it works too ;-)
1429<Zagor> i'll add it to the daily page
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1431<jedix> hi
1432<Zagor> hi
1433<Bagder> hey ho
1434<Bagder> Zagor: you can wait a little first to allow me to smoothen out the early quirks
1435<Zagor> ok
1436<Bagder> it now checks for CVS differences every hour
1437--- Linus|brb is now known as Linus
1438<jedix> how much do these things run ya?
1439<Zagor> price, you mean?
1440<jedix> yeah
1441<Zagor> about $250 for the base model, I think. $350 for the top model
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1443<jedix> thats usd?
1444<Bagder> yeps
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1446<jedix> I see, hows the play time?
1447<Bagder> ~10 hours on the standard batteries
1448<jedix> thats good, en?
1449<jedix> how big are they?
1450<Bagder> disk size?
1451<Bagder> or just measures?
1452<jedix> measures
1453<jedix> its 20gb, right?
1454<Bagder> the biggest factory delivered disk size is 20GB yes
1455<jedix> I was thinking of getting an ipod, but my linux enviro. probably won't go over well..
1456<Zagor> 115x83x34mm (4.5 x 4.2 x 1.3")
1457<jedix> and I'd have to get a firewire port
1458<Zagor> the biggest model is 20GB, but you can replace the disk with up to 60 GB
1459<Bagder> usb2, no firewire
1460<Bagder> ah
1461* Bagder doesn't read, only speak :-P
1462<jedix> so this is looking better :)
1463<Zagor> I recommend the recorder20, it's the best model
1464<jedix> plus your hacks are very interesting..
1465<Zagor> look here for a comparison: http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg
1466<dwihno> recorder20 ownz
1467<jimperson> does anyone use an fm transmitter for listening in the car? does it work well?
1468<Zagor> i've read people use it successfully, haven't tried it myself
1469<jimperson> http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?code=5403-SFMX
1470<jimperson> here's one i'm lookin' at
1471<jedix> so they need a heafty pocket to fit into.. do they use a normal ide hdd?
1472<Zagor> looks fine to me. :) i have no experience with FM transmitters, though
1473<Zagor> jedix: normal laptop 2.5" hdd, yes
1474<Zagor> 9.5mm height
1475<jedix> sweet
1476<jedix> jimperson: is that the actual size?
1477<Linus> But definitely not a device for a skiing trip.
1478<jedix> why is that?\
1479<jimperson> ya know im not sure
1480<Linus> The HD is somewhat shock sensitive
1481<Zagor> well it has moving parts, so if you bump it around too much it will skip
1482<jedix> really? so its not shock proof?
1483<Bagder> if you'd wrap a *huuuge* pillow around the archos ;-)
1484<Linus> or swallow it
1485<Zagor> no hd players are really shock proof
1486<jedix> 2mb buffer isn't enough?
1487<Bagder> I don't think they're talking about the buffering
1488<Zagor> it depends on how rough you treat it
1489<jimperson> is there an effective carrying case that would, say strap to my arm for jogging?
1490<Linus> If you drop it while it is spinning, i guess you could even damage it...
1491<Linus> I think it weighs too much for jogging
1492<Zagor> jimperson: the included case only has a belt strap
1493<jedix> yeah, if I run with it, will it skip?
1494<jedix> Linus: more of a work out then :)
1495<jimperson> which begs the question, how much does it weigh :)
1496<Zagor> hard to say. I mountain bike with mine and only get rare skips
1497<Linus> yes, if you have it in the belt strap
1498<Zagor> http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbrecorders.html
1499<Linus> I run with it to catch the train
1500<jedix> I hope I can find one in ottawa
1501<Linus> and it skips if i have it in the belt strap
1502<dwihno> Mine has never skipped
1503<Linus> because the belt strap is loose
1504<jedix> Linus: and your arms are.. a) as big as twigs b) steal gurders c) the train itself
1505<dwihno> I always keep it in my special handthingy when I run
1506<jimperson> aha! a custom special handthingy! exactly what i need :)
1507<Linus> jedix: they are huge! :-)
1508<Linus> as are all hacker arms
1509* Zagor tries not to laugh
1510* Bagder giggles as he can't resist
1511* jedix runs to the bathroom to not piss himself
1512<jedix> I think i'll get one for the hackability of it..
1513<jimperson> she was so impressed by my special handthingy she could hardly contain herself
1514<Bagder> jedix: that's what I did ;-)
1515<dwihno> :)
1516<jedix> work==boardom this workterm
1517<Linus> I have two
1518<Zagor> oooh, a contest!
1519<dwihno> I made it myself (the handthingy)
1520<Linus> Zagor has three
1521<Zagor> i have three :)
1522<jimperson> you gots pics of your handthingy?
1523<dwihno> jimperson: no, but I'll fix0r :)
1524<elinenbe> who was here talking about ROLO?
1525<jedix> what does your firmware do right now?
1526<jimperson> rolo? you mean lamont's friend from sanford and son?
1527<Linus> jedix: it plays pm3's
1528<Linus> mp3's
1529<Bagder> and shows id3
1530<dwihno> It also plays tetris
1531<dwihno> (very important feature)
1532<Linus> and says "rockbox" when you start it :-)
1533<jedix> sweet
1534<Zagor> dwihno: only the simulator right now
1535<elinenbe> edx and I were talking last night, and what you can do is load a small ROLO firmware, and then have that load an uncompressed larger firmware.. this would reduce the boot up time
1536<dwihno> Yeah, that must not be forgotten
1537<dwihno> Zagor: OMG!
1538<jedix> so its all the support the player has before the firmware change?
1539<Bagder> elinenbe: yeps
1540<Zagor> elinenbe: yes
1541<dwihno> I think I'll start mass-producing the handthingy and get rich
1542<dwihno> The design is really smart
1543<jedix> dwihno: thats how I passed calc1-3
1544<elinenbe> even the 5-10 second start up time feels kind of long.
1545<jimperson> hey man, i would buy one. i believe handthingy.com is available...
1546<jedix> dwihno: catchy name too.. handthingy.
1547<Bagder> hehe
1548<Zagor> elinenbe: 90% of the startup time is the Archos ROM firmware, not Rockbox
1549<dwihno> Then I'll start the production in taiwan and hire youngsters to cut the salaries and get rich and fat
1550<elinenbe> well, that can not be changed now, can it?
1551<jimperson> you could open your own sweatshop and mass produce them with cheap illegal immigrant labor...
1552<Linus> elinenbe: not easily
1553<elinenbe> I see.
1554<jedix> i'm going to get myself a snack
1555<jedix> brb
1556<jimperson> mmm.. snak
1557<Zagor> elinenbe: that would require flashing it, which is a whole new ballgame
1558<Bagder> flashing this kind of things feels... well, a bit like pushing our luck ;-)
1559<elinenbe> yes it is.
1560<elinenbe> well, someday a rolo loader will be flashed, and then it will load our custom firmware.
1561<Bagder> though I bet dwihno would be first in line for doing it :-)
1562<Linus> :-)
1563<elinenbe> if something went wrong there... goodbye jukebox.
1564<Bagder> we'll let Björn do the testing, he has the largest amount of units ;-)
1565<Zagor> hehe
1566<jimperson> how is the download speed to the archos over usb?
1567* Bagder whispers "usb2 rocks"
1568<jimperson> yeah but i dont have usb2 on my powerbook
1569<Linus> roughly 1mb/sec
1570<dwihno> Bagder: How fast are the transfers?
1571<dwihno> TO ALL YOUR HEADS... BLAST THE SPEAKERS!
1572<Bagder> dwihno: I haven't actually measured
1573<Zagor> with usb2 it's 4-8 MB/s
1574<dwihno> Whoa
1575<dwihno> Fucking amazing :)
1576<dwihno> USB1 is good enough for me
1577<dwihno> (until USB2 is standard, that is)
1578<Zagor> that speed is limited by the archos, not usb2
1579<Linus> Zagor: have you measured on a Windows machine?
1580<dwihno> mkay
1581<dwihno> good enough for me ;)
1582<Zagor> Linus: no, i have never used my archoses with windows
1583<dwihno> is it the disk speed or some interface which is setting the limit?
1584<Zagor> dwihno: i'm not sure
1585<Linus> I mean if the Linux USB implementation slows it down...
1586<Zagor> could be either
1587<Linus> dwihno: the ISD300 chipo ises PIO
1588<Linus> uses
1589<Zagor> Linus: that's possible, but I doubt you can get much above 10MB/s anyway
1590<Linus> Probably not
1591<Bagder> Zagor/Linus: my windows tests showed ~4 MB/s
1592<Linus> lame
1593<Linus> I must try it tonight
1594<Bagder> some 15GB in about on hour
1595<Linus> but do not try it on batteries...
1596<dwihno> Linus: Hmm, PIO is no good
1597<Bagder> not measured exactly so give or take a bunch
1598<Linus> dwihno: nope. But cheap
1599<dwihno> True, true.
1600<dwihno> We need some boot sounds too! :)
1601<dwihno> Like some squeaky noise or something
1602<Zagor> yeah, startup sound! wooooo :)
1603<dwihno> Yeah!!! :D
1604<Zagor> maybe we can ask Rolling Stones if they'll let us use one of their songs? ;)
1605<dwihno> Hey, why is the startup-time for the archos so long? :)
1606<Linus> Who wants to work on the sound effects for tetris?
1607<Zagor> good question. it does a lot of disk scratching for very little apparent reason
1608<Linus> dwihno: the recorder startup time is a pain
1609<Linus> but the player is pretty short
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1611<Linus> hey Kaze!
1612<jedix> oh, now to find a place to buy one of these things..
1613<Linus> go! go! go!
1614<Kaze> oh sorry.. hi
1615<Linus> Zagor: I guess the SPDIF is the way to go for the debugging port...?
1616<Zagor> yep
1617<Linus> I think I'll try that ASAP
1618<Zagor> goodie
1619<Linus> (ASAP means "maybe this month" :-)
1620<Zagor> haha
1621<jedix> damn, how can I search the net for a store with this?
1622<Zagor> good question
1623<Kaze> use... a search engine perhaps? :p
1624<Linus> i search and search, and all i find is this damn Rockbox page...
1625<Zagor> http://www.archos.com/us/archos_reseller.html
1626<jedix> Kaze: didn't work too well
1627<Zagor> jedix: is none of the listed ok?
1628<jedix> Zagor: thanks, I'm there now
1629<Bagder> http://www.funmp3players.com/ sells them too
1630<jimperson> so $299 is pretty much the standard price on these eh?
1631<jimperson> the 20 that is...
1632<Bagder> seems so
1633<Zagor> i think so, yes
1634<jedix> i was at a place that only sold 6gbs and it was 350
1635<Zagor> ouch!
1636<dwihno> yeah, that was expensive!
1637<Zagor> make sure you get a Recorder20 and not just a recorder with 20 gig disk.
1638<Zagor> only the model called Recorder20 has usb2, the others have usb1.1
1639<Linus> only the recorder20 has usb2.0
1640<Zagor> it appears funmp3players sell upgraded recorders too, so make sure what you get before you order
1641<Linus> Zagor: which reminds me...has anyone tried the Rockbox recorder firmware on a usb1.1 recorder???
1642<Zagor> i don
1643<Zagor> 't know
1644<Zagor> it would indeed be interesting
1645<Bagder> hardly anyone has tried that, so I'd guess not
1646<Linus> I can't blame them... :-)
1647<jedix> $549.99 Archos Jukebox Studio Recorder 20 (thats canadian)
1648<Bagder> do we even know anyone with such a device?
1649<jedix> jebus thats high
1650<Zagor> what
1651<Zagor> 's the can/usb rate?
1652<Zagor> usd even :)
1653<Linus> Bagder: we can fool jedix into buying one
1654<jedix> usd == 336
1655<Bagder> can/usb rates just has gotta be bus related ;-)
1656<Zagor> hehe. gotta be 1:12 then
1657<Linus> Bagder: you're a funny guy! :-)
1658<jedix> Linus: what such device is this?
1659* Bagder grins
1660<Linus> jedix: a USB1.1 recorder
1661<jedix> ....
1662<Bagder> we could ask on the list to see if we can find anyone
1663<Linus> good idea
1664<jedix> Archos Recorder 20 on sale this week only for $299 with free shipping*
1665<Zagor> jedix: there are many models of archos jukebox: Archos Jukebox 5000, 6000, Studio 10, Studio 20, Recorder, Recorder 10 and Recorder 20
1666<Zagor> jedix: sounds like an excellent offer
1667<jedix> that has to be canadian
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1669<jedix> Zagor: yeah, I hear the recorder 20 is the best
1670<Zagor> yup
1671<jedix> linux compatable?
1672<Bagder> yes
1673<Bagder> usb2 needs an extra patch though
1674<jedix> then why the hell don't I have one?
1675<Zagor> hehe
1676<Hadaka> not too many motherboards come with usb 2.0 these days :(
1677<Bagder> just buy a separate usb2 card
1678<Linus> Hadaka: kt333
1679<Zagor> they are just now starting to put usb2 in new motherboard chipset
1680<Zagor> i wonder what took them so long :(
1681<Hadaka> yeah well it's not like I'm buying a new motherboard anytime soon
1682<Linus> A separate USB2.0 card works fine
1683<Zagor> no, me neither. but I got myself a plugin card. it's worth it.
1684<jedix> Canadian Residents add 7% GST Ontario Residents add 8% PST
1685<jedix> damnit
1686<jedix> i'm in ontario
1687<Linus> tough luck
1688<jedix> you don't need usb2
1689<jedix> you can use 1.1
1690<Hadaka> yeah, I'm living well enough with usb1.1 for now
1691<Zagor> yeah, but waiting for transfers gets boring fast
1692<jedix> it will be a bit slower
1693<jedix> how slow is it?
1694<Linus> "a bit"
1695<Linus> 1 mb/sec
1696<Zagor> 1.1 is 700-1000 kb/s, usb2 is 4-8 MB/s
1697<Hadaka> well the thing that bothers me most is the waiting for the disk to spin up between all sorts of actions
1698<jedix> Zagor: bits?
1699<Zagor> yeah, we have a couple of ideas to avoid some of that
1700<Zagor> jedix: bytes
1701<jedix> kB
1702<Linus> but it's something you'll have to live with
1703<Hadaka> err, in USB mode?
1704<Linus> the hard drive sucks batteries
1705<jedix> thats not bad at all
1706<Zagor> Hadaka: your disk spins down in usb mode?
1707<jedix> Linus: ~10h playback though, right?
1708<Linus> jedix: yup
1709<Hadaka> well I'd say so, yes - I can hear it spinning up when I start reading
1710<Zagor> strange. for me it spins constantly.
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1712<Hadaka> I've got 1.24 firmware in the flash rom for me
1713<Zagor> same here
1714<Hadaka> ok have to check it at home again to see if it really does that
1715<Zagor> ok
1716<Hadaka> think my work machine is compiled against the wrong UHCI driver - getting lockups with transfers
1717<Linus> ouch!
1718<Zagor> ah, that's no fun
1719<Hadaka> happened with my laptop too - then I changed the driver
1720<Hadaka> and managed to get one directory of unremovable junk on the disk
1721<Hadaka> though I suppose that's fixable with reformatting - can you do that in linux or do you have to use windows for that?
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1723<Zagor> you can do that in linux
1724<Zagor> it's just like any other scsi device
1725<Hadaka> I remember seeing some weird FAT restoration utility way back - that's not necessary then these days or?
1726<Zagor> umm, well I don't have it anyway :)
1727<Hadaka> you've don mkfs.vfat on the archos from linux?
1728<Zagor> yup
1729<Hadaka> oh goodie, then I dare to try
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1731<Linus> hey Jigsta
1732<Jigsta> Hi Linus
1733<Bagder> heh, that auto build worked crap on the first automatic run ;-)
1734<Zagor> hehe
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1736<Jigsta> Just stumbeled accross your sourceforge page, sounds like a nice project
1737<Zagor> well, we like it :)
1738<Bagder> a nice project it is
1739<Jigsta> :o)
1740* Bagder does the yoda talk
1741<Zagor> the yoda talk, bagder does
1742* Bagder chuckles
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1744<jedix> so, what is the firmware coded in?
1745<Linus> C
1746<jedix> really? I was expecting some sort of assembly
1747<Zagor> some assembly required :)
1748<jedix> why type of assembly?
1749<Zagor> sh-1
1750<Zagor> for the startup code, setting vector table, stack pointer and such things
1751<Bagder> and the thread switch
1752<Zagor> yes
1753<jedix> oh, I haven't done any sh-1
1754<Bagder> a perfect opportunity! ;-)
1755<Zagor> you don't need it. all application code is C
1756<jedix> I have C expierence.. but who doesn't ;)
1757<Hadaka> is the hd access blocking right now btw?
1758<jedix> what fs is the hdd?
1759<Zagor> Hadaka: yes
1760<Zagor> jedix: fat32
1761<Bagder> plain old silly fat32
1762<Hadaka> hm, the main annoyance in the UI is the blocking operations (the archos firmware ui that is)
1763<Zagor> it's rather adequate for this kind of use, though
1764<Zagor> Hadaka: yeah, but we've got threading. so blocking I/O is not a real problem
1765<Hadaka> Zagor: but don't the threads have to yield? or do they do that in the I/O code?
1766<Linus> the I/O code yields
1767<Zagor> yup
1768<Hadaka> so other threads run while the hd spins up? goooodie
1769<Zagor> yep
1770<Linus> one of our goals is to make our firmware more "snappy" than the original
1771* Bagder spots Linus' last-mp3-byte fix ;-)
1772<Zagor> funny noone complained about that :)
1773<Bagder> haha
1774<Bagder> yeah
1775<jedix> snappy?
1776<Bagder> don't everyone spend hours and hours running our software and listen carefully at the ends of songs? ;-)
1777<Zagor> jedix: responsive
1778<Jigsta> Hmm. Off to have a play :) cheers guys.
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1780<jedix> last-mp3-byte fix?
1781<Linus> It could truncate the last byte of a sing
1782<Bagder> we have a cvs-commit mailing list
1783<Linus> song
1784<Linus> if the length was odd
1785<Bagder> gotta run, see ya
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1787<Hadaka> how much does the recorder 20 have ram? 1mb?
1788<Zagor> 2MB
1789<Linus> 2mb
1790<Linus> All devices have the same amount
1791<Hadaka> hm, that machine seems like quite nice to code for
1792<Zagor> yeah, it's not bad
1793<Linus> fun indeed
1794<Hadaka> especially with the gdb on serial :P
1795<jedix> what type of mp3 does it support?
1796<Zagor> all types
1797<jedix> 320kbps? vbr?
1798<Linus> that one was also fun to code
1799<Linus> jedix: yes
1800<jedix> cool
1801<Hadaka> Ooo, RTC
1802<Zagor> yeps
1803<Linus> we don't have any drivers for it yet though
1804<jedix> what does the player origionally support?
1805<Linus> jedix: you mean bitrates and such?
1806<jedix> yeah
1807<Linus> the same
1808<Hadaka> now all we need is a rocking microkernel :P
1809<Zagor> although people keep saying it skips on high bitrates
1810<Linus> jedix: but some people say that the original firmware has troubla playing 320kbps
1811<jedix> some guy on /. said that it only supports the common bitrates
1812<Zagor> never trust /. :)
1813<Zagor> I have personally tested Rockbox with 256 and 320 kbit
1814<Hadaka> hm, there probably is nothing in the style of an MMU is there?
1815<Zagor> no
1816<Linus> Gotta go now! CU guys!
1817<Hadaka> oh well, one can't have everything
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1819<Zagor> we don't really need it
1820<jedix> !? no recorder support
1821<Zagor> not in 1.0, no
1822<Hadaka> well true - but a microkernel could use it for memory protection - and swapping is easier to achieve too
1823<Zagor> we haven't finished all drivers for recorder yet
1824<jedix> how long until then?
1825<jedix> 42?
1826<Zagor> hard to say. a few weeks perhaps. we don't know exactly why it doesn't work.
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1829<checkeetout> Howdy!
1830<checkeetout> Anyone feel like fielding a quick question about the Rockbox project?
1831<Zagor> sure
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1833<checkeetout> hellllllooooooooo!
1834<checkeetout> Anyone out there?
1835<Zagor> yes, ask your question
1836<checkeetout> thanks
1837<checkeetout> :)
1838<checkeetout> I was just checking out the Rockbox project and it looks pretty cool
1839<checkeetout> I just want to make sure I'll still be able to access my jukebox from Windows XP if I install this new firmware
1840<checkeetout> I use it a lot to carry files home from work to work on at home
1841<Zagor> yes, the firmware does not affect the usb mode
1842<checkeetout> Excellent
1843<checkeetout> :)
1844<checkeetout> thanks for the info :)
1845<Zagor> no problem
1846<checkeetout> I'm going to go download it now
1847<Zagor> have fun
1848<Zagor> i'm off to a meeting
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