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authorRobert Hak <adiamas@rockbox.org>2002-06-18 06:58:23 +0000
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1**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 02:27:04 2002
2
3--> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.146) has joined #rockbox
4--- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
5--- Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20
6<Bagder> hey adiamas
7<adiamas> hey ya...
8<adiamas> now that i have my UPS set up...
9<adiamas> im finally going to get around to get a cross compiler going :)
10<Bagder> go go go ;-)
11--- You are now known as adi|home
12<Bagder> following Linus' instruction, it is really simple
13<adi|home> *nmods*
14<adi|home> only prob is im running gcc 2.95 right now :)
15<Bagder> that shouldn't matter
16<Bagder> if you have the source for that one already, you can probably make a cross compiler out of that version
17<adi|home> that reminds me...
18<adi|home> the simulator was coring on me yesterday
19<adi|home> when i shuffled the playlist
20<adi|home> i tracked it.. but it made no sense
21<Bagder> oh
22<Bagder> can you repeat it now?
23<adi|home> dunno.. was going to test in a few
24<Bagder> ok
25<Bagder> it cored yesterday when we messed around with an empty dir
26<adi|home> how do i force fstab to be reread?
27<adi|home> on linux?
28<adi|home> do you know?
29<Bagder> reread?
30<Bagder> mount -a?
31<Bagder> no, that only mounts all
32<adi|home> my prob is this..
33<adi|home> i have my archos mount with the same permissions that my floppy does
34<adi|home> at least thats what the fstab tells me
35<adi|home> i can mount the floppy as a user, but not the archos
36<dwihno> you have the nouser flag?
37<adi|home> nope
38<adi|home> /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat noauto,owner 0 0
39<Bagder> ok, so you changed that but the user still can do it?
40<adi|home> no...
41<adi|home> as a user i can mount my floppy, but as a user i cannot mount my archos
42<adi|home> and my floppy entry is the same
43<adi|home> /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner 0 0
44<Bagder> I just use umask=0 and am happy with that ;-)
45<adi|home> heheh
46<Bagder> /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat noauto,umask=0 0 0
47<adi|home> ill try it :)
48<Bagder> that still requires root to mount
49<Bagder> but any user can write to it
50<adi|home> see.. don't want that :)
51<adi|home> i want user to be able to mount it :)
52<Bagder> beats me really
53<adi|home> hehe no worries
54<adi|home> yup.. still happens .. the coring..
55<adi|home> can you check on your version and ensure im not nuts?
56<Bagder> sure
57<dwihno> you're full of the nuts? :)
58<adi|home> okay... load the uizim
59<adi|home> the sim
60<adi|home> then load a playlist
61<adi|home> then go to shuffle the list and shuffle
62<adi|home> and it should core after it finishes
63<Bagder> ok... fixing my darned X-redirect...
64* adi|home screams
65<adi|home> my rockbox on the archos reboots.. even with the dc plugged in
66<adi|home> wtf
67<Bagder> ugh
68<adi|home> ugh what?
69<adi|home> the logo looks sharp though :)
70<Bagder> ugh as in "oh that is not nice"
71<Bagder> hehe
72<adi|home> hehe and my icons look sweet :)
73<Bagder> they do
74<adi|home> hehehe screen saver on the rockbox...
75<adi|home> sooooooo cool :)
76<Bagder> :-)
77<adi|home> god i love this
78<dwihno> are there icons now?
79* adi|home nods
80<Bagder> it doesn't crash for me
81<adi|home> there always were.. we just wernet using them
82<adi|home> hmmm wtf...
83<adi|home> i did a make clean
84<adi|home> and a cvs update
85<dwihno> adi|home: Show me a screenshot! :D
86<adi|home> of the icons?
87<adi|home> sure.. give me a min
88<Bagder> adi|home: can you show me a stack trace?
89<dwihno> yay! :D
90<adi|home> sure.. give me a min
91<adi|home> doing an update and recompile just in case
92<adi|home> dwihno.. you have dcc on?
93<dwihno> Yuppers
94--- Offering sshot.jpg to dwihno
95<adi|home> okay.. bagder.. how do i get you a stack trace?
96<adi|home> strace?
97<adi|home> right?
98<Bagder> run 'gdb rockboxui core'
99<Bagder> then 'where'
100<Bagder> (or 'bt' if you prefer a shortcut ;-)
101<adi|home> no stack
102<dwihno> adi|home: How cute! :D
103<adi|home> heh wait.. im stupid
104<dwihno> the cursor should be replaced
105<Bagder> dwihno: yes indeed
106<adi|home> okay.. then what bagder?
107<adi|home> i know where is choking on mine.. i just don't know why.
108<dwihno> I'll draw one rightaway ;D
109<Bagder> mail it to me, daniel@haxx.se
110<Bagder> please do
111<dwihno> How big is the font btw?
112<adi|home> want me to just dcc it to you?
113<Bagder> adi|home: I'm tunneled, bounced, crawled and sneaked so much dcc is impossible ;-)
114<adi|home> hehhe okay
115<dwihno> 5x7?
116<Bagder> yes
117<adi|home> sent
118<adi|home> something else i was thinking...
119<adi|home> we can 'shuffle' and empty list
120<Bagder> got it
121<adi|home> we should be checking that
122<adi|home> namely.. if you havne't loaded a list, tell the user that
123<Bagder> yes
124<Bagder> I told Zagor so too
125<dwihno> .....
126<dwihno> ##...
127<dwihno> ###..
128<dwihno> ####.
129<dwihno> ###..
130<dwihno> ##...
131<dwihno> .....
132<dwihno> There, a new cursor ;)
133<Bagder> adi|home: there's no stack trace there!
134<Bagder> dwihno: now convert it to bytes, LSB in the top, each column one byte
135<Bagder> and use the 5 bytes width
136<Bagder> 5 pixels
137<dwihno> LSB?
138<Bagder> least significant bit
139<Bagder> bit 0
140<dwihno> Line 1: 0, line 2: 3 ?
141<Bagder> no
142<Bagder> column-wise
143<dwihno> mkay
144<Bagder> column 0; 0x7e
145<Bagder> adi|home: this dump just shows lots of loaded symbols and the actual crash point, no stack trace
146<Bagder> try running it with gdb from the start:
147<Bagder> 'gdb rockboxui'
148<Bagder> 'run'
149<Bagder> [booom]
150<Bagder> 'bt'
151<adi|home> k
152<adi|home> what is bt?
153<Bagder> back trace
154<adi|home> k.. all it returns is:
155<adi|home> #0 0x0804e10f in menu_run (m=Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dcc
156<adi|home> ) at ../../apps/menu.c:169
157<adi|home> Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dc4
158<adi|home> and i could have told you that
159<Bagder> hm
160<adi|home> i found out that much last night.. exactly where it is dieing.. but now why
161<adi|home> its the menu_redraw
162<adi|home> in main_menu.c
163<adi|home> when you return from the function ptr
164<dwihno> Bagder: 0x3e, 0x3e, 0x1c, 8, 0
165<Bagder> dwihno: you should use the full 5x7
166<Bagder> we have 6x8
167<dwihno> we have?
168<Bagder> yes
169<dwihno> mkay
170<dwihno> me stupid
171<dwihno> me back in a flash soon ;)
172<Bagder> no ;-)
173<dwihno> me need coffee
174<Bagder> menu_redraw?
175<adi|home> yup.. one sec ill get you a line
176* Bagder runs to fill up more coffee
177<adi|home> sorry.. menu_draw
178<adi|home> menu.c:164
179<adi|home> lcd_clear_display();
180<adi|home>
181<adi|home> menus[m].items[menus[m].cursor].function();
182<adi|home>
183<adi|home> /* Return to previous display state */
184<adi|home> menu_draw(m);
185<adi|home> break;
186<adi|home> the function call goes fine
187<adi|home> "m" is valid before the call
188--> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
189<adi|home> all looks fine in he call
190<adi|home> we return and _barf_
191<Zagor> hi all
192<adi|home> hey zagor
193<adi|home> found a nice core that Bagder cant seem to repeat
194<Zagor> ooh, shiny! :)
195* adi|home nods
196<dwihno> 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18
197<dwihno> 0x7e, 0x42, 0x42, 0x24, 0x24, 0x18 (for a "transparent" version) ;)
198<adi|home> zagor..
199<dwihno> what's the opposite of LSB term-wise?
200<adi|home> know how the archos works better when you have dc plugged in?
201<Zagor> dwihno: msb
202<dwihno> mkay
203* dwihno suck when it comes to buzzwording :)
204<adi|home> nah. your just 'Livt'
205<dwihno> Add my cursor code :)
206<Hadaka> don't mix those with big-endian and little-endian like some people do :)
207<Bagder> dwihno: in progress
208<adi|home> at least your not a 'Liar'
209<dwihno> Hadaka: what's the diff between big and little-endian? /me has always been on the intel platform...
210<Hadaka> well intel is the stupid one :)
211<adi|home> the size of the feather
212<dwihno> adi|home: haw haw haw
213<dwihno> Hadaka: so what is the difference?
214<adi|home> smiles broadley
215<dwihno> word order?
216<dwihno> Tell me
217<Hadaka> byte order in words
218<Hadaka> little endian is
219<Hadaka> A B C D
220<Hadaka> big endian is B A D C
221<Hadaka> if I'm not tripping, it's too early in the morning
222<Hadaka> (that's bytes)
223<Zagor> you are tripping :)
224<dwihno> C D A B ?
225<adi|home> heheh
226<adi|home> but he's right isn't he?
227* adi|home remebers it that way
228<Zagor> no, big-endian is straight big-to-small. little-endian is twisted
229* adi|home taps Hadaka on the shoulder and askes if he is a he, just in case
230<Hadaka> err, big-endian is small-to-big
231<Hadaka> yup, sorry guys, I'm male
232<adi|home> so big should be: D C B A
233<Hadaka> or
234<Hadaka> if you are guys }:>
235<adi|home> and little is: C D A B
236<adi|home> ?
237<Hadaka> adi|home: nope
238<Hadaka> I hope that is
239<Zagor> the lowest byte of a big-endian word is the highest value
240<Zagor> 0xCAFEF00D is 0xCA 0xFE 0xF0 0x0D
241<dwihno> Bagder: Is the cursor cute?
242<Bagder> not quite there yet
243<dwihno> oh..
244<adi|home> little: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA?
245<Hadaka> hmh, lowest? do you mean 0xCA with that or 0x0D?
246<Zagor> i meant lowest address
247<Zagor> 0xCA
248<Hadaka> hm, yeah
249<Hadaka> oh yeah
250* adi|home is confused again
251<dwihno> Little endian is gay, in that case
252* adi|home needs to go back and read
253<adi|home> given CAFEFOOD
254<adi|home> what is little?
255<Hadaka> big-endian assumption being that the highest address should be highest value - which is wrong
256<Hadaka> s/big/my big/;
257<Zagor> Hadaka: ah
258<Hadaka> jesus one should never run into these things
259<dwihno> Hmm
260<dwihno> For someone who knows nothing on this endian stuff, who should I listen to so I won't learn the wrong stuff? :)
261<Bagder> haha
262<Zagor> hehe
263<adi|home> lotsa pot smokers in belguim must be happy :)
264<adi|home> hehe Zagor
265<adi|home> he's been right so far in everything else :)
266<dwihno> heh
267<Zagor> :)
268<dwihno> Zagor: Give me a skolboksexample, s'il vous plait :)
269<Hadaka> http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/b/big_endian.html
270<Zagor> little endian cafefood is just the opposite: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA
271<Hadaka> haha
272<Hadaka> UNIX -> NUXI - 'U' 'N' 'I' 'X' is big endian, 'N' 'U' 'X' 'I' is little endian :)
273<dwihno> So when will one be affected by endianness? And don't tell me some apache joke now adi ;)
274<Bagder> dwihno: reading binary data as 'shorts' or 'longs' etc
275<Zagor> Hadaka: yes but only when talking about two 16-bit words. if it was 32-bit, it'd be XINU
276<Bagder> dwihno: like when reading a BMP file from disk ;-)
277<dwihno> Hehe...
278<dwihno> I bet 'my' BMP reader will freak out with little endian
279<dwihno> big endian on the archos?
280<dwihno> oops
281<dwihno> well, you know what I mean ;)
282<Zagor> yes, except some hardware (like the ata controller) is little endian
283<dwihno> eww
284<dwihno> endian soup
285<Zagor> and the mp3 chip is little-endian bit-wise, so we have to flip every single friggin byte before we send it...
286<dwihno> They should have chosen a big-endian mp3 decoding chip
287<Zagor> yeah, well there's a list of "they should've"s :)
288<adi|home> starting with 'they should've made the price cheaper'
289<dwihno> They should have made the screen 400x200 pixels :)
290<dwihno> What is the most power consuming part (apart from the hard disk stuff) ?
291<Zagor> i don't know. cpu, i guess
292<adi|home> okay.. just to double check...
293<adi|home> ABCD in big indian
294<adi|home> is
295<adi|home> CDAB in little?
296<Zagor> if the data is two 16-bit words, yes
297<Zagor> if it's one 32-bit word, it will be DCBA
298<adi|home> k...
299<adi|home> and if you have 2 32 bit words of ABCD ABCD?
300<adi|home> or ABCD EFGH
301<Zagor> DCBA HGFE
302<adi|home> russian belguim game has gotten really good :)
303* dwihno is amazed by the stupidity of some people
304<dwihno> Encoding stuff @ 192kbps even when the quality is really bad
305<Bagder> hehe, I found something...
306<Bagder> #define MAX_MENUS 4
307<Bagder> in apps/menu.c
308<adi|home> hehehe okay?
309<adi|home> thats why we core?
310<Bagder> yeah
311<Zagor> you made a new menu?
312<adi|home> damn.. how did you find that?
313<adi|home> hey.. they added shuffle playlist
314<Zagor> as a new menu? not just an entry?
315<adi|home> no.. its an entry..
316<adi|home> so that shouldn't effect it
317<Bagder> this is an entry count
318<Zagor> MAX_MENUS is the max menu depth, not max entries
319* adi|home nods
320<Bagder> then it is used wrongly
321<Zagor> ok
322<Bagder> check main_menu.c
323<Bagder> and the menu_init() call
324<Zagor> checking
325<Bagder> no
326<Bagder> sorry
327<Bagder> my bad
328<Bagder> no problem there
329<Zagor> ok
330<adi|home> zagor..
331<Zagor> yup?
332<adi|home> can you explain why 32 bit words become DCBA HGFE
333<adi|home> seems more sensible that it would be EFGH ABCD
334<adi|home> or GHEF CDAB
335<Zagor> your data is 64 bits
336* adi|home nods
337<dwihno> aaaaaaaaarggghhh!
338<dwihno> you make me go nuts! :)
339<Zagor> so it's split up in two 32-bit words
340<adi|home> right
341<Zagor> the words don't change places or anything
342<Zagor> the byte swapping is only done within the word
343<adi|home> okay...
344<adi|home> why doen'st the same idea follo for 16bit works?
345<adi|home> words?
346<adi|home> you said: ABCD becomes CDAB
347<adi|home> if the swap is within words.. wouldnt: BADC make more sense?
348<Bagder> "word" is a crappy term to use
349<Zagor> i didn't say that, did I? it's wrong
350<Zagor> 32-bit ABCD becomes DCBA
351<Zagor> 16-bit ABCD becomes BADC
352<dwihno> Bagder: the daily build is already built?
353<Bagder> yes
354<Bagder> 6 am MET
355<dwihno> darn
356<dwihno> Then I'll wait until tomorrow ;)
357<dwihno> We need a "select cursor" menu ;D
358<Bagder> I'll just fix the cursor for the tree browser too and soon we'll see
359<adi|home> can i assum then that on 64 bit words we would be: ABCDEFGH => HGFE DCBA?
360* Bagder tries to figure out the best way to deal with the margins in the tree browser
361<Zagor> adi|home: yes
362* adi|home is finally getting this
363<adi|home> thank you for the help...
364<Zagor> Bagder: what is your problem with margins?
365<Zagor> no problem
366<Zagor> btw, adi, whatever happened to your logging effort?
367* adi|home whistles innocently
368* Bagder chuckles
369<adi|home> my isp decided to get alot more unstable
370<adi|home> we need a bot in here to just sit and suck everything up
371<Zagor> i'd still say you're the guy with the most complete logs. you're always here
372* adi|home blushes
373<adi|home> i can put up what i haver right now
374<Zagor> yeah, that is an option
375<Zagor> please do
376<dwihno> Hey, what happened to privacy?!
377<dwihno> ECHELON SEES YOU! :D
378<adi|home> that doesn't exist on the net ;)
379<Bagder> /whois privacy
380<Bagder> oops ;-)
381<dwihno> ECHELON BUSH TALIBAN USAMA BIN LADEN {{{{{ hugs to you }}}}}
382<adi|home> my current rockbox log is 1.1 megs
383<dwihno> There, my footprint in the internet world ;D
384<Zagor> adi|home: will you split it up into days?
385<adi|home> all i ahve to say is that PRESIDENT BUSH is the BOMB and bin laden needs to DIE
386<adi|home> for you zag?
387<adi|home> sure
388<adi|home> but only cause its you
389<Zagor> hehe
390* adi|home winks suggestivly
391<Zagor> nudge nudge
392<adi|home> nudge nudge... wink wink.. kno what i mean.. know what i mean...
393<adi|home> have you ever.. have ya hu? have you...
394<adi|home> ya know...
395<Bagder> there we go again ;-)
396<dwihno> find / -name bin | awk '{print $1 " laden"}'
397* adi|home yells out 'Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
398<adi|home> Zagor.. should i remove room enters and leaving?
399* Bagder thinks so
400<Zagor> yes
401<dwihno> and everything dwihno-related. I want my privacy ;D
402<Bagder> dwihno: your privacy can be found here => #dwinos_secrets
403<Bagder> set it invite-only ;-)
404<dwihno> :D
405<dwihno> Mr. Funny pants
406<dwihno> http://www.klitta.nu/dw/keops_bigapple.png
407<dwihno> Speaking of funny pants
408<Bagder> someone could make some work on a vertical slider
409<Bagder> if we should have one
410<dwihno> hmm
411<dwihno> It could share space with the cursor
412<dwihno> I like the display like it is now - as many filenames as possible! :)
413* Bagder commits new cursor
414<dwihno> YAY! :D
415<dwihno> Which did you chose?
416<Bagder> 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18
417<Bagder> but it looks a bit ugly ;-)
418<Bagder> too thick
419<dwihno> ugly cursor for ugly people
420<dwihno> shift it left one step and make the new first column smaller than
421<dwihno> then
422<Bagder> I thought about that too
423<Bagder> perhaps even two steps
424<dwihno> do so
425<Bagder> 0x7f, 0x3e, 0x1c, 0x08, 0x00, 0x00 wins
426<Bagder> Zagor: does the scroll code care about the lcd margins on the recorder?
427<Zagor> yes
428<dwihno> Bagder: yay!
429<dwihno> does the scroll look fishy on the players?
430<Zagor> no that I know
431<Zagor> not
432<Bagder> the new cursor only uses 4 pixels width
433<adi|home> zagor.. your gonna love me in a min :)
434<dwihno> I'll start working on a variable width font this weekend
435* Zagor feels his heart warming
436<Zagor> dwihno: cool
437<Bagder> dwihno: it would be really cool
438<dwihno> How are you storing the fonts right now?
439<Zagor> Bagder: have you kept my code that handles proportional fonts?
440<dwihno> like the cursor?
441<Bagder> Zagor: I think I have it somewhere, yes
442<dwihno> I was thinking about an extra byte for w&h
443<Bagder> dwihno: I adjusted it
444<Bagder> I added a bug when scrolling in the tree browser though :-/
445<dwihno> So what are the measurements we should keep?
446<dwihno> Bagder: It's called a surprise feature, not bug :)
447<Zagor> as small as possible :)
448<dwihno> <reboot> SURPRISE! :D
449<dwihno> How about umlauts and special chars?
450<Zagor> yes please
451<Zagor> a full iso 8859-1 is ideal
452<Bagder> heck, this bugs more than just in the scroll
453<dwihno> I'll work against the charmap in the recorder...
454<Bagder> more coffee needed
455* dwihno is not looking forward to the 1 o'clock meeting
456<dwihno> meetings are time thieves
457<Zagor> dwihno: either that, or look here: http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859-1.gif
458<adi|home> okay.. irc files updated
459<adi|home> but you ge to fix the html ;)
460<adi|home> im going to bed
461<Zagor> ok, bye
462<Bagder> night adi
463<Bagder> now you can try the new cursor
464<Bagder> hm
465<Bagder> brb
466<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox
467--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
468<Bagder> http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
469<Bagder> brand new
470<dwihno> I'll test it rightaway
471<adi|home> ummm.. don't mean to be an ass ;)
472<adi|home> but the cursor you just put in..
473<adi|home> is exactly like the Selector that was there and not being used :)
474<Bagder> haha
475<dwihno> adi|home: you're an ass :)
476* Bagder is blind
477<adi|home> don't blame me...
478<adi|home> _you_ didnt read the code ;)(
479<dwihno> Heh
480<dwihno> So what? :)
481<dwihno> I'm no coder
482<dwihno> I just come with ideas
483<adi|home> hehehe
484<adi|home> im just bustig your balls..
485<Bagder> but... but... eh, but my cursor is one more pixel to the left! ;-)
486<dwihno> :D
487<adi|home> besides.. yours looks sharper for some reason
488<adi|home> hehehe
489<adi|home> keep yours
490<adi|home> delete Selector
491<dwihno> YOUR cursor?! :/
492* dwihno is offended
493<adi|home> your.. meaning you ddi the new one didn you ?
494<Bagder> haha
495* adi|home runs to bed
496<dwihno> erhm
497<Bagder> dwihno: compare the values, they aren't really the ones you gave me ;-)
498<dwihno> they are not!
499<dwihno> oh my god!
500<dwihno> You evil dude
501<dwihno> the lcd still flickers
502<Bagder> I pulled up xmag and zoomed in
503<Bagder> and this setup was the nicest I could do
504<adi|home> no it don't.. you just blink funny
505<dwihno> and the [browse] line should be removed since another line of files would fit ;D
506<Zagor> actually I think that's a good idea. we want to use the screen fully
507<dwihno> What is the dimensions of the screen?
508<adi|home> well.. remember
509<adi|home> your going to want battery indicators
510<adi|home> and we havne't thought about time or anything
511<Zagor> adi|home: agreed, but personally I prefer such information on a separate info screen
512<dwihno> Me too
513<Zagor> or during playback or something. not in the browser
514<dwihno> browser is a browser
515<dwihno> during playback, there is a lot of space for displaying such information
516<adi|home> nod
517<Bagder> brb
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520<Bagder> my ssh X-redirect is *so* weird
521<Bagder> it works the second login I do
522<Bagder> not the first
523<dwihno> <-- is pissed off
524<dwihno> <-- wants to order his F!("#)¤/)! laptop!
525<dwihno> Will there be L/R volume bars in the future?
526<Zagor> you mean during playback?
527<dwihno> yeah
528<Zagor> no thanks...
529<dwihno> I mean, it's not that pretty
530<dwihno> and it looks rather silly when only updated a couple of times per secnod
531<Zagor> yes
532<Zagor> i don't like it either
533<dwihno> A wider battery might be nice too
534<Zagor> i say we skip the silly icon and use hard numbers instead
535<dwihno> %?
536<Zagor> yeah
537<dwihno> Yeah, and a "time left" feature :D
538<dwihno> (or, at least, some kind of estimation)
539<Zagor> that's, ummm, difficult
540<Zagor> even just % is very difficult
541<dwihno> it is?
542<dwihno> Does not the hardware supply the values?
543<dwihno> Or do you have to pull off a sw trick to read it?
544<Zagor> the hardware supplies battery voltage, that's all
545<dwihno> hm
546<dwihno> voltage, as in 1.2 volts?
547<Zagor> yes
548<dwihno> oh
549<dwihno> Mail the archos guys and ask them :)
550<Zagor> heh, yeah right :)
551<dwihno> "Hello mr. archos guy. How do you perform the battery check? We think battery status would be neat in Rockbox"
552<Bagder> would be cool to get an external meter on that thing and keep showing the voltage all the way until the unit dies
553<dwihno> Get going! :D
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556--> [TOT]Maverick (~webmaster@pD953A193.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
557<[TOT]Maverick> hi
558<[TOT]Maverick> Just tried out the new daily build for the recorder
559<[TOT]Maverick> Dunno if you already know but the Euro-Symbol doesnt work it just displays a ?.
560<Zagor> yeah, we lack a number of symbols in the font
561<[TOT]Maverick> Hehe
562<[TOT]Maverick> I used it for DJ DEEP the both EEs were Euros
563<dwihno> Oh how neat
564<[TOT]Maverick> :)
565<[TOT]Maverick> Tetris is nice
566<Zagor> hehe, yeah. a little diversion while you... eh... don't listen to music (yet) :)
567<[TOT]Maverick> But I hate these buttons they arent like the ones of a gameboy or something
568<[TOT]Maverick> who needs music on a mp3 player :)
569<[TOT]Maverick> First i also thought about reporting the scrolling bug but you fixed it first :)
570<Zagor> hehe
571<[TOT]Maverick> Hehe developers are faster in fixing bugs than user in reporting em
572<[TOT]Maverick> BTW Music in tetris would be nice
573<Zagor> the music will keep playing during tetris. just fire up a big playlist and you'll be set
574<Zagor> did you try loading a playlist, btw? i think you will be pleasantly surprised...
575<[TOT]Maverick> No i never use playlist *beatme*
576<Zagor> i know, the archos playlists aren't very useful. we're changing all that
577<[TOT]Maverick> hehe
578<[TOT]Maverick> You dont understand
579<[TOT]Maverick> I NEVER use em :)
580<[TOT]Maverick> Not in winamp, not on the box..
581<Zagor> how are you using it? playing a record at a time, or having all songs in one dir?
582<[TOT]Maverick> my songs are too long fo puttin them into a list
583<Zagor> too long?
584<[TOT]Maverick> i usually listen to mixes about 300mins long a track
585<Zagor> ah, ok
586<[TOT]Maverick> so there is no need for mee
587<Zagor> so what you really want is mid-track resume
588<[TOT]Maverick> but of course for normal songs its quite useful
589<[TOT]Maverick> yeah THAT would be usefeul for ME :)
590<Zagor> it's coming in a later version
591<[TOT]Maverick> Shouldnt be too hard to realize, nor?
592<Zagor> not really. the scary part is writing on the harddisk... :-)
593<[TOT]Maverick> hmmm
594<[TOT]Maverick> Perhaps you could use a hidden directory for saving data
595<[TOT]Maverick> OR use the MBR!!!
596<Zagor> exactly
597<datazone> right..
598<[TOT]Maverick> That would be an option
599<Zagor> we'll use a sector before the FAT
600<[TOT]Maverick> yeah so its hidden in windows
601<Zagor> yup
602<[TOT]Maverick> nice
603<Zagor> and so we don't have to look for it in a directory, we always know where to save
604<[TOT]Maverick> erm the UI gets more graphically as development moves on?
605<Zagor> yes
606<[TOT]Maverick> nice
607<[TOT]Maverick> is a graphical indocator like the one in winamp possible when playing a song?
608<[TOT]Maverick> The current one of the archos is just for left-right...
609<Zagor> it's not easy, since we don't unpack the data ourselves
610<[TOT]Maverick> ah
611<[TOT]Maverick> that does the dsp
612<Zagor> yes
613<[TOT]Maverick> ok so no chance there
614<Zagor> I wouldn't say no chance, but it's not straight-forward
615<[TOT]Maverick> I noticed something when text is scrolling at a faster speed...
616<[TOT]Maverick> Its like the effect on a TFT screen
617<[TOT]Maverick> when something moves fast
618<Zagor> yeah, trail
619<[TOT]Maverick> But never seen that on a LCD before.
620<[TOT]Maverick> is that normal?
621<Zagor> yes. lcd screens are inherently slow
622<[TOT]Maverick> gameboy didnt have that "feature" :)
623<Zagor> maybe their screen was faster
624<[TOT]Maverick> But its nice to set your own speed
625<[TOT]Maverick> great work there
626<Zagor> thanks
627<[TOT]Maverick> Will you implement functions like renaming, moving an so on?
628<datazone> why dont you look on the webpage
629<datazone> it lists the wishlist of features
630<Zagor> yes, probably. but it's a bit in the future
631<[TOT]Maverick> @data: I look at the page every day just to mention.
632<datazone> every day? man, thats bad
633* Bagder made the build go yellow... fixing...
634<Zagor> booo! :)
635<[TOT]Maverick> I like the site
636<[TOT]Maverick> Every day something new :)
637<datazone> or you have "issues"
638<Zagor> ironi made the design, I make everything else :)
639<Zagor> yeah I try to keep it interesting
640<[TOT]Maverick> It IS
641<[TOT]Maverick> But there is one thing i miss since ver 1.0
642<Zagor> what is that?
643<[TOT]Maverick> The Status of the single parts
644<Bagder> we need a new table
645<Bagder> with new parts
646<datazone> i remember when i first saw the rockbox logo.. heh, i though it was a guy humping the "R"
647<Zagor> well we don't really have that kind of progress anymore. most new features affect many parts
648<[TOT]Maverick> hmmm
649<Bagder> we could still list things we want, what we work on and what isn't worked on
650<Zagor> Bagder: true
651<[TOT]Maverick> yeah thats what i mean
652<[TOT]Maverick> the user doesnt interest what is REALLY done wherever
653<[TOT]Maverick> BTW² will it be possible in the future to make mods or plugins?
654<Zagor> no, we'll always make whole apps
655<[TOT]Maverick> ok
656<Zagor> we do plan a boot selector, though
657<Bagder> but we'll do different apps
658<[TOT]Maverick> So you have to make a nice (and nice looking hehe) app :)
659<Bagder> well, with the proper help and feedback, we'll end up there
660<[TOT]Maverick> I am always there if you are in need of ideas
661* Bagder enables picky warnings in the simulator builds now
662<[TOT]Maverick> But as you already know i cant "really" help you because of my non existing c knowledge
663<Bagder> we're talking YELLOW ;-)
664<[TOT]Maverick> huh?
665<Zagor> ideas are help too
666<Bagder> on the build status page
667<[TOT]Maverick> ah hehe
668--- dwihno is now known as dwihno|metting
669--- dwihno|metting is now known as dwihno|meeting
670<Bagder> phew, only 2 warnings turned up ;-)
671<Bagder> daily build page extra feature soon coming
672--> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox
673<Bagder> hey elinenbe
674<elinenbe> hey
675<Bagder> Zagor: boo!
676<Bagder> Zagor: here?
677<Bagder> ok, then I'll go for a cup a coffee ;-)
678<Zagor> back
679<Bagder> check the compile stat table
680<Bagder> suggestion on the link?
681<Zagor> a - instead of space
682<Zagor> and link to a subdir that I can symlink to your dir
683<Bagder> hm
684<Bagder> ok
685<Bagder> I prefer to use %20 and keep the same
686<Bagder> space
687<Bagder> it is the same time stamp
688<Zagor> ok
689<Bagder> name of your symlink?
690<Zagor> cvslog ?
691<Zagor> cvsmod maybe?
692<Bagder> there
693<Bagder> it should link to my output dir
694<Zagor> where are your files?
695<Bagder> /home/dast/rockbox-auto/output
696<Zagor> ok
697<Zagor> works
698<Bagder> neato
699<Bagder> the dump shows the last 25 minutes
700<Bagder> it makes 5 minute overlap
701<Zagor> hmm, is that what we want?
702<Bagder> well, entirely without overlap tends to be with gap instead
703<Bagder> this is just time-based
704<Zagor> yes, but can't you look at the time and minimise the gap? it will get confusing when one change is in two status logs
705<Bagder> I can minimize it, sure
706<Bagder> but since I select based on time, I either risk overlap or gap, making it *perfect* is not really realistic
707<Bagder> 20 minutes and 30 seconds now
708<Bagder> oh
709<Bagder> .txt I guess
710--- dwihno|meeting is now known as dwhino
711--- dwhino is now known as dwihno
712<Zagor> yeah that's probably a good idea :)
713<Bagder> btw, I believe the x11 simulator runs threads wrong
714<Zagor> yeah?
715<Bagder> yeah, they run simultaneously
716<Zagor> ooh, bad
717<Bagder> my mutex trick isn't used
718<Bagder> I wanted to add the tick_counter in yield, and then I noticed that yield is never used!
719<Zagor> hehe
720<dwihno> hellö hellö
721<dwihno> I say hellö
722<dwihno> You say goodbye
723<dwihno> I say hellö
724* dwihno is a beatle today
725<Zagor> beetle
726<dwihno> Nope
727<dwihno> beatle
728* Zagor squishes dwihno :)
729<Bagder> This is Windows for you...'found out that significant part of time is spent ... In this function "select" is used with a timeout value of 1 micro second'
730<Bagder> 1 us
731<Bagder> turns out to be a "significant part" of time
732<dwihno> Zagor: You are so nasty!
733<dwihno> Nasty boy!
734<Bagder> that must be one helluva implementation ;-)
735<Zagor> Bagder: aren't they saying that since it times out so quickly it gets called very frequently?
736<Bagder> no
737<Bagder> this is a libcurl thing
738<Bagder> I use it only once
739<Zagor> ok
740<Bagder> but it "significantly" slows windows operations down
741<Zagor> haha
742<Bagder> I can't but to laugh
743<dwihno> curl? sounds gay ;)
744<Bagder> doesn't most things to you? ;-)
745<Bagder> curl groks ;-)
746<dwihno> you are sitting WAY TOO MUCH in front of the computer screen :)
747<Bagder> no, I'm not doing it enough!
748* Zagor is starting go get mutt to behave
749<Zagor> to
750<Bagder> can mutt use different "roles" when replying etc?
751<Zagor> haven't gotten that far yet :)
752<Zagor> i think so, though. there's a lot of hooks everywhere you can use
753<dwihno> Zagor: Hey, are you becoming a dwihno?! :)
754<dwihno> mutt are belongs to us!
755<dwihno> Mutt is evil software! :)
756<dwihno> custom keybindings is a must rhough
757<Zagor> yeah they are. i'm just checking out if it's better than pine.
758--> elinenbe2 (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox
759<dwihno> Well
760<dwihno> It takes a while to get accustomed to it
761<dwihno> (as everything else)
762<Zagor> yes
763<dwihno> ROROROROROOOCKBOOOOX!
764<dwihno> Fa l ala
765* dwihno has gotten 0xc0ffee into the veins
766<-- [TOT]Maverick has quit ()
767<dwihno> Coffee is for the mind, what viagra is for the dick
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771<Bagder> heh, the scrolling looks worse when I "fix" the threading ;-)
772<Bagder> in the simulator that is
773<dwihno> Any ideas why it flickers on the recorder?
774<Bagder> you mean when scrolling?
775<dwihno> nay, when going across pages
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777<Bagder> hi jedix
778<jedix> hey
779<jedix> what are you guys working on today?
780* Bagder fixes threading in the simulator, cursor on recorder, cvs logs on the site
781<Bagder> nothing else ;-)
782<jedix> hehe
783<jedix> cool
784<jedix> I should probably update my cvs
785<Bagder> Zagor: 'current_tick' is now in the simulator
786* Bagder broke the win32 simulator build just now
787<dwihno> Yay! :D
788<dwihno> you rule Bagder
789* dwihno just got a project finished
790<dwihno> yay!
791<Bagder> was that the 5 of 5 then?
792<dwihno> yay = yet another youser
793<dwihno> not really :)
794<dwihno> I got 2 new :)
795<Bagder> heh
796<dwihno> One step forward, two steps back, ya'know :)
797<dwihno> So now I'm gonna spend some time configuring a computer
798<dwihno> (for purchase, that is)
799<dwihno> Pentium 4 - M Supreme Performance
800<dwihno> Yum
801<dwihno> The volume bar should be a numerical value instead of a bar in Rockbox
802<dwihno> (just a thought)
803<Bagder> I often don't care for either way
804<Bagder> I use up/down without any visual feedback
805<dwihno> me too
806<dwihno> but it's just a thought
807<dwihno> the most useless feature: the L/R volume bars
808<Bagder> indeed
809<Bagder> all builds are now *green*
810<dwihno> yay! :D
811<dwihno> even with the extra warning flags?
812<Bagder> yeps
813<Bagder> now, coffee break
814<dwihno> cools0r
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816<edx> hi
817<dwihno> Howdy edx! :D
818<dwihno> http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_8200.htm, whaddya think?
819<dwihno> Has Linus started working on the decoder chip on the recorder?
820<dwihno> CVS archoses should show build date next to 'CVS' (the logo)
821<edx> @ dell inspiron.. looks cool :)
822<dwihno> What's the difference between SXGA+, UXGA, and enhanced UXGA?
823<edx> ugh.. don't ask me :?
824* dwihno wants to run rockbox on his recorder
825<dwihno> but just tetris won't do it atm ;)
826<elinenbe> dwihno: toshiba 5105-s607 (better deal)
827<dwihno> elinenbe: I'm no rich ass dude!
828<dwihno> is there any firewire / usb2 converter? :)
829<dwihno> do you know what the difference between UXGA, SXGA and stuff is?
830<dwihno> hey elinenbe, wake up :)
831<-- Zagor has quit ("bye")
832<dwihno> elinenbe: don't ya' know?
833<Bagder> hey edx
834<Bagder> edx: I believe I broke the win32 simulator build
835<elinenbe> I am here
836<dwihno> hellö :)
837<dwihno> Do you know the diff between SXGA and UXGA?
838<dwihno> and does 32 vs 64 meg gfx memory make a difference?
839<elinenbe> SXGA+ (1400 x 1050)
840<dwihno> Is it only the resolution that is the diff?
841<dwihno> I mean, they still maintain the same aspect ratio
842<elinenbe> 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
843<elinenbe> 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
844<elinenbe> 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
845<elinenbe> 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
846<elinenbe> 1280x1024 SXGA
847<elinenbe> sorry
848<elinenbe> uxga 1600x1200 (the best)
849<dwihno> Extended UXGA, what's so special about that?
850<elinenbe> no idea.
851<dwihno> I'll skip the floppy, it's outaged anywayhs
852<elinenbe> that is just uxga.
853<dwihno> what do you have?
854<elinenbe> me?
855<elinenbe> UXGA
856<dwihno> How is it for quake? ):
857<dwihno> :)
858<Bagder> I find those terms silly
859<elinenbe> 32 megs of memore -- nvidia geforce go
860<Bagder> I have 1800x1440, I don't ave no silly acronym ;-)
861<elinenbe> i dont play quake, but fifa world cup runs sooo nicely
862<dwihno> :)~
863<dwihno> FIFA is addictive!
864<dwihno> My combinations are really fancy
865<elinenbe> on my old desktop I ran 1920x1440
866<dwihno> pass, pass, SCOOOORE! :)
867<Bagder> actually, I usually have just 1600x1200
868<elinenbe> the mobile ATI actually has better benchmarks
869<elinenbe> but
870<dwihno> You have 32 megs in your computer?
871<elinenbe> the nvidia is soo mcuh better due to the drivers, etc.
872<elinenbe> 32 megs video ram
873<elinenbe> but more is always better
874<dwihno> Of course :)
875<Bagder> matrox
876<elinenbe> matrox is not known for games.
877<dwihno> But unless you run 3d-games at a high res, 32 meg should be sufficient, right?
878<elinenbe> yeah
879<Bagder> Matrox is a killer for 2D
880<elinenbe> it is fine here.
881<dwihno> (with high-res, I mean, REALLY HIGH-RES) :)
882<elinenbe> Matrox has great stuff for 2d
883<dwihno> yeah
884<elinenbe> yeah.
885<dwihno> matrox ownz the 2D market
886<dwihno> they have been excellent for ages
887<dwihno> still are
888<elinenbe> i can run my laptop at max 1600x1200, AND an external monitor at 2048x1536 TAKE THAT!
889<Bagder> hehe
890<Bagder> its usually not the card that limits the resolution these days
891<dwihno> I was just about to mention that
892<elinenbe> but I have no external monitor anymore -- how do you think I paid for the laptop :)
893<elinenbe> that is so true.
894<dwihno> my old TNT card boasted with 3000xsomething resolution
895<elinenbe> some of the 64 meg cards can do that too. 4400x3300
896<elinenbe> who the @$!#*& has a montiro THAT large?
897<dwihno> And then the question is, who the heck uses such a high resolution? :)
898<dwihno> Computer analphabets
899<dwihno> I know of such a person :)
900<dwihno> and he is a computer analphabet
901<elinenbe> does anyone here use cgywin?
902<elinenbe> cygwin.
903<dwihno> I used to
904<dwihno> Then I started using mingw
905<elinenbe> is that better or something?
906<dwihno> UT - 15" TFT UXGA (1600x1200)
907<Bagder> mingw uses the MS native C lib
908<dwihno> cygwin uses some kind of unix emulation layer
909<dwihno> that's the diff
910<dwihno> s/uses/is/
911<dwihno> s/uses/comes with/
912<dwihno> or whatever ;)
913<elinenbe> ahh... that doesn't effect me.
914<dwihno> $2250 is the final pricetag
915<dwihno> including delivery
916<dwihno> eww
917<elinenbe> I paid 2299 for mine
918<dwihno> That's like... 3 luxorious trips
919<elinenbe> true
920<dwihno> Whoa
921* dwihno stops for a second, what the hell am I about to do?!
922<elinenbe> WIAT
923<elinenbe> WAIT
924<elinenbe> read this:
925<elinenbe> http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2645880-7-1454141.html?tag=prmo
926<dwihno> ah
927<dwihno> you got the topmost?
928<elinenbe> well, it only cost 2299, and yours costs nearly the same
929<dwihno> "I receieved my toshiba 5105-S607 as a gift from my sister last month"
930<dwihno> How sick isn't that
931<elinenbe> what!!
932<elinenbe> I had to sweep up elephant shit for 4 months for mine.
933<dwihno> I've been working for 6 months to acquire the bonus
934--- edx is now known as edx|away
935<elinenbe> I work for the circus
936<dwihno> Noway! :)
937<elinenbe> finally he is out of here!
938<elinenbe> just kidding
939<dwihno> You're the bearded lady? :)
940<elinenbe> yeah.. Ringling Brothers
941<dwihno> elin en beard also known ;D
942<elinenbe> no... I was the elephant caretaker
943<dwihno> At least you got a kickass laptop now! ):
944<dwihno> ):Ö
945<dwihno> :)
946<elinenbe> I guess.
947<dwihno> delivery is 7-10 work days
948<elinenbe> if you have seen the pounds of shit I cleaned up, you would think again...
949<dwihno> yeah, I guess elephants do produce quite a lot of shit
950<elinenbe> Badger: where do you live?
951<Bagder> Stockholm, Sweden
952<dwihno> I'm being torn apart between 32 or 64 megs of graphics memory
953<elinenbe> what is the cost difference?
954<elinenbe> well, remember a laptop is really NEVER upgradable. so what you buy now, you should expect to be happy with for at least 3 or 4 years.
955<dwihno> $70
956<elinenbe> it is probably better to shell out a little more now. If you get the 32 megs and you are not happy, then what do you do?
957<dwihno> true
958<dwihno> you are a wise man
959<dwihno> (or, bearded lady, if you prefer that) ;)
960<elinenbe> new games. I read an article about how it is better to buy the best alptop that you can afford because it will last that much longs
961<elinenbe> longer
962<dwihno> Where did you gain your wisdom?
963<dwihno> I guess scoping elephant shit leaves a lot of time to do philosophical thinking
964<elinenbe> from the bearded lady.
965<dwihno> haha
966<dwihno> :)
967<dwihno> 512 megs of RAM
968<dwihno> 1,6 GHz
969<dwihno> 1600x1200 UXGA
970<dwihno> but no cd-rw fishy thing
971<Bagder> ... and Linux 2.4.18? ;-]
972* Bagder giggles
973<dwihno> :)
974<dwihno> I'll keep a dualboot thingy
975<dwihno> what kind of built in network cards are there on these babies?
976<dwihno> realtek? intel?
977<Bagder> you're the one buying this
978<elinenbe> i dont know.
979<dwihno> elinenbe: what's in yours?
980<elinenbe> Badger: you run linux -- right?
981<Bagder> yepso
982<Bagder> all the time
983<elinenbe> well, I run a 10 node cluster here :)
984<elinenbe> just kidding.
985<dwihno> Internal combo 56k modem / 10/100 network
986<dwihno> whoa
987<dwihno> elinenbe: what NIC is in your box?
988<elinenbe> I have no clue.
989<elinenbe> I run win xp on my laptop.
990<elinenbe> that is what came on it.
991<dwihno> ah
992<dwihno> mkay
993<dwihno> check? :)
994<elinenbe> I am not going to bother changing all this shit.
995<elinenbe> i run linksys wireless.
996<dwihno> cool :)
997<dwihno> wireless is sleek & sexy
998<elinenbe> I do all my programming on sun machines here anyway
999<elinenbe> I guess...
1000<dwihno> Time to do a final check before proceeding to the order part
1001<Bagder> I'm off for today, I'll come by tomorrow... see ya
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1003<dwihno> He left :(
1004<dwihno> Nobody left
1005<dwihno> psy is left
1006<dwihno> and the bearded lady
1007<elinenbe> have you compiled the firmware yet?
1008<elinenbe> I have a question.
1009<dwihno> Sorry, I don't :/
1010<dwihno> haven't
1011<dwihno> there
1012<dwihno> the order has been placed
1013<elinenbe> did you use the 25% OFF code from techbargains.com?
1014<dwihno> nay
1015<elinenbe> there is no cupon.. I'm just having some fun :-)
1016<dwihno> I thought you were
1017<dwihno> I just hope I will get the computer soon
1018<dwihno> At least, the order has been placed.
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1020<dwihno> tjoho ironin!
1021<dwihno> ironi: now I've ordered the new computer! :D
1022<dwihno> yay x 10
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1025<ironi> lalala
1026<ironi> hi all
1027<ironi> your UI man is here
1028<ironi> =)
1029<dwihno> where?
1030* dwihno looks around
1031<dwihno> I can't see anything
1032<dwihno> Well, I'm off for the weekend
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1034<elinenbe> ironi: have you done anything with the UI yet?
1035<ironi> elinenbe: well no =)
1036<ironi> I can suggest changes and let ppl who know more implement them hehe
1037<elinenbe> oh.... I see
1038<elinenbe> I can do that too :)
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1040<elinenbe> when I am compiling the firmware. I get an error...
1041<elinenbe> drivers/button.c: In function `button_tick':
1042<elinenbe> drivers/button.c:70: `NULL' undeclared (first use in this function)
1043<elinenbe> can anyone help me
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1046<ironi> music of the day (MOTD) : cd1-12-armand_van_helden-why_cant_you_free_some_time_(-lbe.mp3
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1068<g003y> YO!
1069<g003y> dang... everyone is sleeping or working :/
1070<adi|work> whats up?
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1074<g003y> heya adi
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1076<g003y> heya elinenbe
1077<elinenbe> hey there.
1078<elinenbe> you are compiling under cygwin -- right?
1079<g003y> yeah
1080<elinenbe> can you step me through it really fast. when you install cygwin do what options did you check?
1081<elinenbe> I could not get it to compile today -- it told me I was missing the header files.
1082<elinenbe> string.h
1083<elinenbe> stdio.h
1084<elinenbe> etc...
1085<g003y> oh
1086<g003y> did you install gcc with cygwin?
1087<elinenbe> yeah
1088<elinenbe> I should not do that -- right?
1089<g003y> no.
1090<elinenbe> what packages should I select?
1091<g003y> you need gcc to get to the cross compiled one
1092<g003y> I don't think it's a package issue
1093<g003y> string.h is standard lib
1094<elinenbe> well, then binutils asks for a cc compiler?
1095<elinenbe> yeah I know.
1096<g003y> you may have to mod that make for binutils then
1097<elinenbe> how did you do it?
1098<g003y> I'm trying to recall the steps in my crusty brain here :D
1099<g003y> I'm not near my install
1100<elinenbe> I am going to do a default cygwin install...
1101<g003y> yeah but I encountered the cc problem you had
1102<elinenbe> oh.
1103<elinenbe> I should install cygwin without gcc -- right?
1104<g003y> I know I have a solution. I believe I edited the makefile and changed CC=cc to CC=gcc
1105<elinenbe> oh... ok
1106<g003y> no you need an initial gcc to get things done
1107<elinenbe> then I should install gcc?
1108<g003y> yeah
1109<g003y> then you update it when you do Zagor's instructions
1110<elinenbe> ok, so I am installing cygwin default, with gcc
1111<g003y> don't forget make as well
1112<g003y> :D
1113<elinenbe> ok.
1114<elinenbe> which make.
1115<g003y> the make proggy
1116<elinenbe> I am just doing the standard configure/make/make install
1117<g003y> I'm sure it installs by default
1118<elinenbe> well, I will tell you.
1119<g003y> the missing string.h is probably a pathing issue you're having
1120<elinenbe> well, it was there in /usr/include
1121<g003y> yeah but on mine it wouldn't find it with cygwin for some reason
1122<g003y> I had to put it right into the makefiles that required it
1123<g003y> then compiles worked
1124<elinenbe> what do you mean you had to put it right into the make file?
1125<elinenbe> the path?
1126<g003y> yeah
1127<g003y> -I/usr/include
1128<g003y> then compiles worked
1129<elinenbe> oh... ok
1130<elinenbe> well, that is all I think I needed to do then
1131<g003y> for some reason it doesn't pick it up
1132<g003y> oh ok
1133<g003y> well then try that :D
1134<elinenbe> everything was compiling okay, except that.
1135<g003y> oh
1136<g003y> then you're far enough along that it's probably that bit
1137<g003y> I haven't gone back to shell setup to figure it out as it's easy enough to put that extra include in the Makefiles.
1138<elinenbe> brb
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1141<PsycoXul> boy it takes faaaar too long for archos' firmware to load just the first 999 tracks of my wholedisk playlist heh
1142<elinenbe> I think the rockbox version takes too long
1143<PsycoXul> heh
1144<PsycoXul> oh yeah?
1145<elinenbe> yeah!
1146<elinenbe> 2 seconds is WAY too long :)
1147<PsycoXul> hehe
1148<PsycoXul> yeah
1149<elinenbe> I am just kidding
1150<PsycoXul> well the new technology
1151<elinenbe> the rockbox firmware is quite nice
1152<PsycoXul> based on precessional resonance
1153<elinenbe> did you do the playlist code?
1154<PsycoXul> and subatomic manipulations rather than interatomic motions
1155<PsycoXul> will be much more capable than our current "electronic" technology is
1156<elinenbe> I see...
1157<PsycoXul> me code? hah...
1158<PsycoXul> i play with code sometimes... i even write some interesting things... but i don't really code :p
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1162<g003y> psyco- does the rockbox code actually play the songs in the playlist for you?
1163<PsycoXul> not last i tried
1164<g003y> ok then I'm not crazy
1165<g003y> I compiled last night, but no go on playing the songs
1166<g003y> but it sure as heck loaded te playlist fast :D
1167<PsycoXul> hehe
1168<PsycoXul> yeah
1169<g003y> I'll have to update my code tonight to see if something got submitted.
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1189<ironi> hey Bagder
1190<Bagder> hey ho
1191<ironi> just got up?
1192<Bagder> no
1193<edx> hi as well :)
1194<ironi> Heh I got up, and breafast was served, total luxury.
1195<ironi> hey edx
1196<ironi> My gf is visiting, heh.
1197<ironi> *practical*
1198<Bagder> my wife took off for the rest of the day ;-)
1199<ironi> hehe, sounds like you can sit in front of the computer without hearing "Will you ever get off that thing?"
1200<Bagder> heheh, exactly
1201<ironi> I know that feeling
1202<ironi> "Can't you just let it go when I'm here"
1203<Bagder> ... with references to the fine weather etc ;-)
1204<ironi> hehe
1205<ironi> well i hear the weather rocks in sthlm the last days
1206<ironi> here it's crap the last week
1207<Bagder> hey
1208<Bagder> I made 26 changes in the last daily build
1209<Bagder> alone
1210<Bagder> we should get the guys work more ;-)
1211* edx stares on his feet
1212<Bagder> hehe
1213* dw|gone is _NOT_ here ;)
1214<Bagder> the win32 build broke, didn't it?
1215<edx> huh?
1216<Bagder> I think I broke it
1217<edx> didnt try (even more staring to my feet)
1218* Bagder pleads guilty
1219<edx> congrats :P
1220<Bagder> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily/changes-20020615.txt
1221<Bagder> read the first change mentioned ;-)
1222<edx> LOL
1223<edx> *compiling*
1224<edx> one unresolved external... :)
1225<edx> what file is this/
1226<edx> ?
1227<Bagder> current_tick, right?
1228<edx> sure hehe
1229<edx> what file is it in and what shall it do?
1230<Bagder> I "fake" it, check uisim/x11/thread.c
1231<Bagder> just increase it every now and then ;-)
1232<edx> k
1233<Bagder> in target it is incremented by the timer interrupt
1234<edx> in what timespan is the interrupt called
1235<Bagder> I'm not sure, but it might be something like 50ms between
1236<edx> when do you increase it?
1237<Bagder> on yield() and on sleep()
1238<Bagder> I just add 3 in yeild and 5 in sleep()
1239<edx> aha
1240<Bagder> just to make it continue "growing"
1241<edx> ill set up a timer :)
1242<edx> hmm this is a variable or a function (just a variable, right?)
1243<Bagder> you could do that, if you think that'll be more fun ;-)
1244<Bagder> just a variable, yes
1245<edx> more code more fun lol
1246<Bagder> hehe
1247<edx> where is current_tick declared (header file..)?
1248<Bagder> kernel.h
1249<edx> (ok.. works)
1250<Bagder> neato
1251<edx> hey cool.. the scroll character for the recorder changed. nice
1252<Bagder> yeah
1253<Bagder> I never liked using only a minus
1254<edx> for the player its a questionmark on the simulator... is that correct ?!
1255<Bagder> yes
1256<Bagder> we should fix that too
1257<Bagder> it's a special character on the target
1258<edx> ok
1259<Bagder> we just don't have that in the simulator charset
1260<Bagder> seen the new link on the compile status table too?
1261<edx> .. no?
1262<Bagder> it makes it easy to see which changes that were committed just before the automatic build
1263<edx> changelog you mean?
1264<edx> that is great
1265<Bagder> no I meant down in the "CVS compile status" table
1266<Bagder> the "batch" dates are now links
1267<edx> cool.. it colors warnings :)
1268<Bagder> yeps
1269<edx> .. could you do me a favour?
1270<Bagder> sure, what?
1271<edx> http://codeforce.d2g.com/new/ this page.. does it look ok in linux?
1272<edx> (heh.. i registered a channel on openprojects.net as well lol... this irc is really useful)
1273<Bagder> looks fine
1274<edx> ok.. thanks
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1277--- edx is now known as edx|eating
1278* Bagder commits
1279--- edx|eating is now known as edx
1280<edx> broken my build again?! hehe
1281<Bagder> heh, no, I made it nicer ;-)
1282<Bagder> fixed the cursor on the simulated player
1283<edx> (my build?!) hehe...
1284<edx> ah cool
1285<edx> thats good
1286<Bagder> should work fine for you too
1287<edx> hmm we should add win32 simulator for the daily page :)
1288<edx> but i see no way how this would be possible :/
1289<Bagder> there's no x11 simulator build daily either
1290<Bagder> only automaticly for the build status one
1291<Bagder> maybe that's what you meant?
1292<edx> yea
1293<edx> but theres a report for the sim
1294<Bagder> yes
1295<Bagder> it's easy to build automaticly
1296<edx> and why is there a P-Old sim.. thats the same as p-sim, right?
1297<Bagder> hehe, yes it should be pretty much exactly the same ;-)
1298<edx> (why is tehre a p-old at all.. its only one step)
1299<Bagder> p-old has a different lcd
1300<edx> oh.. ok
1301<Bagder> that's why
1302<edx> maybe i could provide a daily build page for the win32 simulator on my server.
1303<Bagder> sure!
1304<edx> but i couldn't get it update automatically i guess (i could update it everytime i change something)
1305<Bagder> but then we won't see it break if someone else change something...
1306<edx> hmm yea
1307<edx> the problem is that my server doesnt have visual studio installed...
1308<edx> .. well i have an idea.. but it needs a testing.. maybe i could get it to work
1309<edx> it would need to checkout, compile, generate a webpage...
1310<edx> that's gets less and less a problem the more i think about it
1311<edx> be right back.
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1313<Bagder> :-)
1314--- edx|brb is now known as edx
1315<edx> Bagder: I am trying to get things compiled on my server now, if it works, i'll set up a page which updates hourly and contains the last 24 compilation reports
1316<Bagder> cool!
1317<edx> i hope it work if i just copy some files and dont intsall visual studio
1318* Bagder writes new screen savers ;-)
1319<dw|gone> YAY!
1320<dw|gone> :D
1321<Bagder> hehe
1322<Bagder> hey, I *am* an old demo coder ;-)
1323<edx> lol .. write the sine wave for rockbox hehe
1324<Bagder> I do!
1325<edx> cool :)
1326<edx> screensave should be activated automatically after 5 mins of non-action lol
1327<Bagder> right now, I have a 'R' that flies around the screen in a circle ;-)
1328<edx> hehe
1329<dw|gone> Whoa
1330<dw|gone> evil stuff ):
1331<dw|gone> ):
1332<dw|gone> ):
1333<dw|gone> :)
1334<dw|gone> <-- is mongo today
1335<Bagder> it looks pretty cool
1336<dw|gone> flies around?
1337<Bagder> yeah, "ROCKbox"
1338<Bagder> all letters independently
1339<dw|gone> cool :)
1340<Bagder> on a sine wave
1341<dw|gone> I guess I'll have to see it for myself
1342<dw|gone> I'll check the build on monday morning
1343<Bagder> hm, I wonder if I can make the rockbox logo be in the background...
1344<dw|gone> hehe :)
1345<dw|gone> demo coding for the archos
1346<dw|gone> perfect for some wild compo ;)
1347<Bagder> hahaha
1348<dw|gone> Well, at least, the music is not a problem ;)
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1352<Bagder> it does require some minor lcd fixes... :-)
1353* Bagder jumps in
1354<Bagder> time to try on target
1355* dw|gone is trying to focus on the code, and not on the fact that he's hungry like a wolf
1356<Bagder> rock!
1357<Bagder> http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
1358<dw|gone> *yawn*
1359<dw|gone> I'll test it, just for your sake ;)
1360<Bagder> hehe
1361<Bagder> it is just totally useless, but its fun ;-)
1362<Bagder> I'm considering a game now ;-)
1363<dw|gone> what about fixing broken code? :)
1364<Bagder> nah, not as fun
1365<Bagder> hehe
1366<Bagder> like what code are you referring to?
1367<dw|gone> dunno :)
1368<dw|gone> Sometimes it locks when I start fiddling with the volume
1369<dw|gone> hahaha
1370<dw|gone> you are really sick :)
1371* Bagder grins
1372<dw|gone> really neat :)
1373<Bagder> and they fly! ;-)
1374<dw|gone> How come the directory browsing is 100 times faster with rockbox?
1375<Bagder> no idea
1376<dw|gone> I mean, when entering new dirs
1377<Bagder> they must be doing something terrible
1378<dw|gone> yeah
1379<dw|gone> and the scroller still scrolls when going across dirs :)
1380<dw|gone> If the LCD flickering stops and we get mp3 decoding, I'll start using it rightaway :)
1381<Bagder> I agree
1382<dw|gone> pok?mon instead of pokémon
1383<Bagder> with our playlist support too, it'll be a killer
1384<dw|gone> yeah
1385<Bagder> yeah, we have no such letter
1386<dw|gone> aren't you using the built in font?
1387<Bagder> there is no built-in on the recorder
1388<dw|gone> ah...
1389<Bagder> 100% "home made" ;-)
1390<dw|gone> ah, that's why it's butt ugly ;)
1391* Bagder nods
1392<dw|gone> 5x7 in a 6x8 space?
1393<Bagder> yes
1394<dw|gone> Less than 7 pixels vertical will not look good, but I guess it's possible to narrow it down a bit horizontally
1395<Bagder> Yes, at least some letters
1396<dw|gone> The main issue is long filenames
1397<dw|gone> !¤"#! archos firmware won't even show the entire filenames ,)
1398<dw|gone> is it possible to have 2+ simultaneous scrollers?
1399<Bagder> edx: around?
1400<Bagder> dw|gone: oh sure
1401<dw|gone> with the current code, thatis
1402<dw|gone> how do you keep the scroller running while accessing the disk at the same time?
1403<Bagder> we use several threads
1404<Bagder> the scrolling is in its own thread
1405<dw|gone> Do you think the archos firmware has threading?
1406<Bagder> I don't think so
1407<Bagder> but they could and perhaps have other limits on their threads than we do
1408<dw|gone> how big is the firmware without the padding atm?
1409<Bagder> lemme check
1410<Bagder> hm
1411<Bagder> I don't quite get the map file
1412<dw|gone> mkay
1413<dw|gone> well, approx 20k?
1414<Bagder> when loaded, we use 4de4c ram
1415<dw|gone> 320k
1416<dw|gone> do you know how much the original firmware uses?
1417<Bagder> no
1418<Bagder> I guess I could figure out by checking my dissassembly
1419<Bagder> anyway, included in those 320K is our malloc heap etc
1420<Bagder> currently we have no code that use malloc() ;-)
1421<Bagder> the code is about 32700 bytes
1422<Bagder> in this recorder build
1423<Bagder> ouch, yellow alert!
1424<elinenbe> Badger: you want to program a game -- try sokoban :)
1425<Bagder> hehehe
1426<Bagder> I'm thinking pong...
1427<dw|gone> what is sokoban?
1428<dw|gone> what about arkanoid? :)
1429<Bagder> http://verde666.org/sed/sokoban/
1430<dw|gone> and has Linus started looking on the decoder chip?
1431<Bagder> its written using 'sed'
1432<Bagder> yes
1433* dw|gone is like a kid in a candy store
1434<dw|gone> Rockbox already rocks without any music ;D
1435<dw|gone> erhgm
1436<dw|gone> With a screenshot, I STILL DON'T understadn sokoban :)
1437<Bagder> its just the ultimate geek thing, to write a game using a tool meant for search/replace
1438<dw|gone> aaaah :)
1439<dw|gone> I see
1440<Bagder> I never played it ;-)
1441<dw|gone> I test it now :)
1442<dw|gone> There was a port for gameboy called boxxle
1443<dw|gone> fancy :)
1444<dw|gone> Darn
1445<dw|gone> 16:00
1446<dw|gone> I should finish what I'm working on and go homo
1447<dw|gone> home ;)
1448<dw|gone> hah
1449<Bagder> freudian slip? ;-)
1450<dw|gone> hehe
1451<dw|gone> dunno
1452<dw|gone> how many entries does the playlist support by default?
1453<Bagder> you mean non-rockbox?
1454<dw|gone> no, rockbox :)
1455<Bagder> 10000
1456<edx> Does anyone of you know Java a little?
1457<dw|gone> mkay
1458<Bagder> edx: euuh, a little, yes ;-)
1459<dw|gone> great :D
1460<dw|gone> I'll test loading a huge playlist
1461<edx> Bagder: what does thius line do:
1462<Bagder> dw|gone: Björn has 40GB, he has no more than 5500 songs ;-)
1463<edx> inURL = new URL(getCodeBase(), infile);
1464<dw|gone> it constructs a url
1465<edx> ok thats what i know as well.. what will the url look like?
1466<dw|gone> codebase sounds JSP'ish
1467<dw|gone> I dunno if it does some base64 encoding too perhaps
1468<edx> ahhh .. i think i got it.
1469<edx> thanks
1470<dw|gone> heh.. thanks for nothing ;)
1471<Bagder> edx: .. eeeeh... uuuuh. "win32 simulator break alert" :-)
1472<Bagder> is there any way I can add a file to your build?
1473<dw|gone> is rockbox capable of building playlists by itself yet?
1474<Bagder> no
1475<Bagder> we don't even have the write() function enabled
1476<dw|gone> aah
1477<dw|gone> smart
1478<Bagder> yeah, its for safety
1479<Bagder> we have no functions for altering disk contents yet
1480<dw|gone> I like the boot speed of rockbox
1481* Bagder agrees
1482<dw|gone> Would be neat to know what exactly the archos firmware does that takes so much time
1483<Bagder> yes
1484<Bagder> it is possible we might need to do a few of those things too in the future
1485<dw|gone> any ideas of what?
1486<dw|gone> it shows the disk label as a file btw
1487<Bagder> I have no clue really, I just mean that we haven't quite investigated everything yet
1488<dw|gone> "INSANITY.!"
1489<dw|gone> true, true
1490<dw|gone> it's not possible to switch it off with the power cord in
1491<Bagder> no
1492<dw|gone> Time to check how fast it loads a 3000 track playlist
1493<dw|gone> whoa
1494<dw|gone> it interprets #-lines as files
1495<Bagder> yes
1496<Bagder> right
1497<Bagder> I fix
1498<Bagder> do they all start with # in the first column?
1499<dw|gone> yeah
1500<dw|gone> winamp-style
1501<dw|gone> it loads the playlist FAAAAAAAST! :D
1502<dw|gone> In just a couple of seconds
1503<Bagder> about 1000 songs per second
1504<Bagder> that is many many times faster than the built-in
1505<dw|gone> hehe
1506<dw|gone> yeah
1507<dw|gone> 1 song per second is the firmware default ;)
1508<dw|gone> or perhaps 10
1509<dw|gone> but that's not close to 1000 ;)
1510<Bagder> it is an amazingly huge diff actually
1511<dw|gone> what happens when the unit runs of battery?
1512<dw|gone> with rockbox firmware, that is
1513<Bagder> it dies ;-)
1514<Bagder> I mean run out of battery
1515<Bagder> just running on battery is no diff than with power cord
1516<dw|gone> I just wonder if there is some kind of shutdown procedure required not to harm the hard disk
1517<Bagder> well
1518<Bagder> I think we should try to do that, yes
1519<Bagder> # support added
1520<dw|gone> yay ;D
1521<dw|gone> is the directory browser 100%?
1522<dw|gone> I mean, showing every file and such
1523<Bagder> yes, there's a maximum amount of files in a single dir I believe though
1524<dw|gone> I have a dir with 4 dirs and 1 pls
1525<dw|gone> it didn't show the pls
1526<dw|gone> m3u
1527<Bagder> !
1528<Bagder> what is the playlist called?
1529<dw|gone> Everything.m3u
1530<dw|gone> in my dir "Electronica"
1531<Bagder> weird
1532<Bagder> and it happens all the time?
1533<dw|gone> nope only once
1534<dw|gone> now it shows " - Der Sinn d" instead of Welle erdball
1535<Bagder> ok
1536<dw|gone> Der Sinn des Lebens is a subdir in "Welle erdball"
1537<Bagder> hm
1538<dw|gone> oops
1539<dw|gone> I just caused a hang
1540<Bagder> I wonder if there's some bug in the target dir read code
1541<dw|gone> Trying to load a m3u with
1542<dw|gone> \ in the filename
1543<dw|gone> argh
1544<dw|gone> it's a live
1545<Bagder> it died while loading the playlist?
1546<dw|gone> it died for a lot of seconds
1547<dw|gone> then it began to live again
1548* elinenbe decide to go run 100 miles while gcc builds... and then MAYBE it will be done.
1549<Bagder> hehe, yeah it can take a while ;-)
1550<elinenbe> not as long as anything that is qt/kde
1551<Bagder> heheh
1552<elinenbe> koffice took forever on a 2x1500mhz pc
1553<Bagder> luckily, rockbox builds blazingly fast ;-)
1554<dw|gone> :)
1555<elinenbe> Badger: if I want to add " -I/usr/include " to the makefile, where would I put it?
1556<Bagder> firmware/Makefile and apps/Makefile
1557<elinenbe> I am compiling under cygwin and for some reason it does not find the header files.
1558<elinenbe> yeah, but how do I add it into the makefile?
1559<Bagder> both of them have a line like "INCLUDES=" where you can add that extra -I
1560<Bagder> if this is a problem to more people, we could probably fix this better
1561<elinenbe> the apps makefiles does, but the tools/makefile does not.
1562<elinenbe> It is for anyone compiling under cygwin
1563<Bagder> not tools, firmware
1564<elinenbe> g003y had this problem
1565<Bagder> hm, ok
1566<elinenbe> too
1567<Bagder> I think I know the fix for this problem
1568<Bagder> we must add header files to our project, since we don't use newlib anymore
1569<elinenbe> that could be the thing
1570<Bagder> you build without newlib, right?
1571<elinenbe> yeah
1572<elinenbe> I did not donload it or anything.
1573<Bagder> so that's it
1574<Bagder> we need to supply a bunch of headers ourselves
1575<elinenbe> huff.. when I do a make all
1576<elinenbe> I get this garbage
1577<elinenbe> Eric@VIOLET ~/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools
1578<elinenbe> $ make all
1579<elinenbe> make -C ../firmware TARGET=-DARCHOS_RECORDER NODEBUG=1 OBJDIR="/home/Eric/rockbo
1580<elinenbe> x-daily-20020615/tools"
1581<elinenbe> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware'
1582<elinenbe> Updating dependencies for thread.c
1583<elinenbe> Updating dependencies for system.c
1584<elinenbe> system.c:19:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory
1585<elinenbe> Updating dependencies for settings.c
1586<elinenbe> settings.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory
1587<elinenbe> Updating dependencies for panic.c
1588<elinenbe> panic.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory
1589<elinenbe> and more and more of that...
1590<elinenbe> it can not find the standard header files at all
1591<Bagder> right, that's why we need to provide our own
1592<elinenbe> is there any way around this for me?
1593<Bagder> did you add -I/usr/include in the firmware/Makefile ?
1594<elinenbe> yeah
1595<elinenbe> hold on...
1596<elinenbe> I added a /usr/includes by mistake
1597<Bagder> ah
1598<elinenbe> in tools I did a 'make clean'
1599<elinenbe> make all
1600<elinenbe> and then still get an error...
1601<elinenbe> this is witht the most recent tarball
1602<elinenbe> make[1]: sh-elf-a: Command not found
1603<elinenbe> make[1]: *** [/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools/librockbox.a] Error 127
1604<elinenbe> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware'
1605<elinenbe> make: *** [firmware] Error 2
1606<Bagder> !
1607<Bagder> in tools?
1608<elinenbe> I am just doing a make clean
1609<elinenbe> make install
1610<elinenbe> in the toold directory <-- that should build everything -- right?
1611<Bagder> hm
1612<elinenbe> but the make gives me that error.
1613<Bagder> did you run the configure script in the tools directory?
1614<elinenbe> yeah
1615<elinenbe> I'll do that again to make sure everything is cool
1616<Bagder> you should rather create a separate build directory and run the configure script there
1617<elinenbe> ok
1618<Bagder> mkdir ../build; cd ../build; ../tools/configure
1619<elinenbe> I get the same thing
1620<elinenbe> "sh-elf-a: command not found"
1621<Bagder> is your PATH setup to include the dir with the sh-gcc tools?
1622<elinenbe> lemme check
1623<elinenbe> I followed the direction on the web page... the path should be something like "~/sh1/bin"
1624<elinenbe> well, that is in the path
1625<Bagder> make sure it is $HOME/ and not ~/
1626<Bagder> or full path
1627<elinenbe> it is $HOME
1628<elinenbe> acutally the full path
1629<Bagder> ok
1630<elinenbe> in /sh1/bin I do not have a sh-elf-a, I have sh-elf-ar and sh-elf-as though
1631<Bagder> yeah
1632<Bagder> but if you check the Makefile, it uses as and ar only
1633<elinenbe> ok
1634<Bagder> seems to be the ar line that goes wrong
1635<Bagder> it compiles all c source first, doesn't it?
1636<elinenbe> the ar line in the makefile is messed up;
1637<elinenbe> AR = sh-elf-a
1638<elinenbe> that is what it says
1639<Bagder> in the Makefile?
1640<elinenbe> yeah, all the C code is great
1641<elinenbe> yeah
1642<Bagder> your Makefile must've been ruined somehow
1643<elinenbe> in firmware/Makefile
1644<Bagder> should be -ar
1645<elinenbe> well, I just got it from the tarball...
1646<Bagder> odd
1647<Bagder> I'll check the tarball
1648<elinenbe> i just checked it -- it is there
1649<elinenbe> I must have messed oit up.
1650<Bagder> ah, ok
1651<elinenbe> thanks for the help
1652<Bagder> no problems
1653<elinenbe> now my enviroment is all nice :)
1654<elinenbe> there we go...
1655<Bagder> we'll sort out the include problem too
1656<elinenbe> no problem.
1657<elinenbe> it works fine with the include added to the makefile. Is that not an ok solution?
1658<Bagder> sure its ok
1659<Bagder> when it makes it annoying if you wanna update often
1660<Bagder> s/when/but
1661<elinenbe> one last thing: how do I compile the scramble.c file?
1662<Bagder> when you ran configure in that dir, the original Makefile was overwritten. Get the orginal one back and run make in there
1663<elinenbe> ok
1664<elinenbe> will do.
1665<elinenbe> Badger: thanks so much, everything is going great
1666<Bagder> goodie
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1685<g003y> heya bagder
1686<Bagder> hey ho
1687<g003y> nice work on that include issue
1688<Bagder> thanks, but we're not quite there yet ;-)
1689<g003y> does the -I/to/whatever still need to be added to the makefiles?
1690<Bagder> yes, I didn't really change this yet
1691<g003y> ahhhh
1692<g003y> ok
1693<Bagder> I'm only preparing
1694<g003y> well at least you figured out the prob
1695<g003y> All I knew was the -I fixed it for me :D
1696<Bagder> :-)
1697<g003y> but I figured it was cygwin being all dumb on win32
1698<Bagder> so is your "play-screen" coming anywhere?
1699<g003y> well I haven't done a ton of work recently.
1700<g003y> I did get setup on source forge
1701<g003y> basically right now I can compile to choose between a file scroll or id3 display
1702<g003y> though I'm looking into modding the settings to store it and make it user selectable
1703<Bagder> user settable is nice
1704<g003y> then I will add a 3rd set of logic that will attempt to pull apart directory/filename for information
1705<g003y> so it looks id3 ish
1706<Bagder> remember that we can't yet store anything on disk
1707<g003y> yup
1708<g003y> I see the writes still return 1l
1709<g003y> without doing anything :D
1710<Bagder> hehe
1711<g003y> so what I will do now is make the default option switchable on compile
1712<g003y> then ppl will just be able to change it on the fly if they need to
1713<Bagder> sounds fine
1714<g003y> question for ya
1715<g003y> do the playlists actually play?
1716<Bagder> yes
1717<g003y> dang....
1718<g003y> for some reason I can't get mine going
1719<g003y> it scans it and just sits there
1720<Bagder> oh
1721<g003y> I tried making with vi, a script and winamp
1722<g003y> nothing worked for me as of a couple days ago
1723<Bagder> well, to tell you the truth, I wrote the code but I have a recorder so I can't really try it on target yet ;-)
1724<g003y> hahahahahahahaha
1725<g003y> well I haven't really debugged into it, but the logic looks correct
1726<Bagder> we might need to get someone with gdb to look at it
1727<g003y> yeah I've just been "printfing" to the screen for debugging output :D
1728<Bagder> yeah, and the simulators are usually pretty good too to try stuff on
1729<Bagder> but not when it comes to actual mp3 playback
1730<g003y> I haven't gotten mine to succesfully compile yet
1731<g003y> so like the old COBOL days.... I try to get it right on the first try :D
1732<Bagder> the win32 one?
1733<g003y> yeah
1734<g003y> but it's probably just me
1735<Bagder> I wouldn't know, I've never tried ;-)
1736<Bagder> I'm on the x11 one
1737<g003y> the x11 seems to have more compile directions
1738<g003y> I got it to compile once when I first got the firmware.
1739<g003y> though now... eh.
1740<g003y> I just outright forgot how I managed it
1741<g003y> I'll have to try again.
1742<Bagder> it would be neat to get a cygwin version Makefile for the win32 simulator
1743<g003y> oh hey.
1744<g003y> there it goes with current
1745<g003y> ok I was being a llame :D
1746<g003y> llama that is
1747<g003y> cute....
1748<g003y> I need to compile the player
1749<g003y> version though
1750<Bagder> yes
1751<Bagder> it should be possible
1752<g003y> ok so it pulls apps logic from the apps directory right?
1753<Bagder> yes
1754<g003y> good
1755<g003y> no screwing around then :D
1756<Bagder> the apps should run pretty much unaltered in target and simulators
1757<g003y> _should_ hehehehheh
1758<g003y> the true beauty of C :D
1759<Bagder> right, we can never be completely sure
1760<Bagder> hey, I wrote my flying rockbox this afternoon
1761<Bagder> all in simulator
1762<Bagder> worked on first attempt on target
1763<g003y> flying rockbox?
1764<Bagder> you should see it ;-)
1765<Bagder> kind of a screensaver, totally useless
1766<g003y> you mean the logo?
1767<g003y> ha
1768<g003y> that will only work on the recorder right?
1769<Bagder> no, the text Rockbox flying around on sine waves
1770<Bagder> yes
1771<g003y> hhahahahah... cool.
1772<Bagder> if you get the simulator working, you'll see it ;-)
1773<elinenbe2> Badger: will that be included in the tarball tonight?
1774<Bagder> hm, no
1775<elinenbe2> that is a shame
1776<Bagder> or what did you mean?
1777<Bagder> the includes right?
1778<elinenbe2> no, your sine rockbox
1779<Bagder> ah, that'll be included
1780<g003y> yeah only the important stuff first :D
1781<Bagder> hehe
1782<elinenbe2> I am building a sokoban clone.
1783<elinenbe2> I will get it done within a day or two.
1784<Bagder> we could pretend it is useful as it tests the lcd functions properly ;-)
1785<elinenbe2> yeah :)
1786<g003y> hey I think it's cool so it needs to be included anyway :D
1787<elinenbe2> g003y: everything is up and running great under cugwin here... Badger helped me earlier today.
1788<g003y> coool
1789<g003y> what was the last you needed to do?
1790<elinenbe2> I had to add the included to the Makefiles.
1791<elinenbe2> that was about it.
1792<g003y> yeah
1793<g003y> thats what I was saying yesterday
1794<g003y> a -I/usr/include right?
1795<elinenbe2> ya
1796<g003y> good deal. good to see you're up & running
1797<elinenbe2> I am partially throguh a sokoban clone
1798<elinenbe2> but, it is slow as I am running everything on the target. I am not able to compile the simulator.
1799<g003y> I just got it to compile from current myself
1800<elinenbe2> how were you able to do that?
1801<g003y> I sync to cvs tree
1802<elinenbe2> the windows simulator?
1803<elinenbe2> ah... but what did you use to compile?
1804<g003y> yeah I just tried with the latest source
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1806<g003y> nmake from a dos window
1807<elinenbe> oh
1808<g003y> I have vc installed with all the paths
1809<PsycoXul> so uh heh nobody's interested in writing a proper text viewer for the player's huh?
1810<elinenbe> so do I, but no nmake.
1811<Bagder> a text viewer should be really simple to write
1812<g003y> you probably don't have all the paths registered in your environment for dos
1813<PsycoXul> yeah it should be...
1814<PsycoXul> i haven't had much luck with it though heh
1815<g003y> you need to run the vcvars.bat which is somehere in the vc install dir
1816<g003y> then run nmake in the uisimulator->win32 dir
1817<elinenbe> ok
1818<elinenbe> I will try that :)
1819<g003y> text viewer?
1820<g003y> like a text file?
1821<PsycoXul> yeah
1822<g003y> joc- why?
1823<g003y> what you doing?
1824<PsycoXul> huh? wanting to view text files?
1825<PsycoXul> heh
1826<g003y> yeah but just for the heck of it?
1827<PsycoXul> no... for the ability to read books i've got on my archos while listening to music on it heh
1828<g003y> ahhhhhhhh
1829<elinenbe> I still can't run nmake.
1830<g003y> thats some small text though. you'll be scrolling from here to kingdom come
1831<PsycoXul> yes
1832<PsycoXul> well you only really need 1 line...
1833<g003y> yeah but you'd only get some many characters wide on that display
1834<PsycoXul> i figure it'd be pretty usable if it scrolled by word
1835<PsycoXul> except for words >11 chars
1836<PsycoXul> heh
1837<g003y> heheh
1838<g003y> yeah you could scroll it, but I bet after all the work it wouldn't really be usable
1839<g003y> in that sense
1840<PsycoXul> nah i've played with a few different methods for it
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1842<PsycoXul> and even scrolling by char isn't unusable
1843<g003y> hmmm ok
1844<g003y> you're a freak :D
1845<PsycoXul> heh yeah
1846<g003y> though a text viewer could be used in many interesting wayts
1847<Bagder> on the recorder it could be neat
1848<g003y> VI for Archos :D
1849<PsycoXul> but i'm just a lousy coder who can't really do it "proper" with good memory management and such like that
1850<g003y> yeah the recorder has the kind of display you could pull it off with
1851<PsycoXul> yeah
1852<PsycoXul> well doesn't archos' firmware for the recorder already display text? i read it did...
1853<Bagder> hm, perhaps it does ;-)
1854<Bagder> I haven't tried it
1855<PsycoXul> i figured the best player text viewer would have selectable modes
1856<PsycoXul> like a 'less' style mode that gives an 11x2 window and lets you scroll around
1857<g003y> yeah true
1858<PsycoXul> a book mode that goes by-word scrolling
1859<PsycoXul> etc
1860<PsycoXul> and a bookmark feature would also be handy
1861<PsycoXul> but unfortunately my skills as a coder aren't such that i know how about going about such a thing... heh
1862<g003y> well you'd need a buffer and a file handle to get yourself started :D
1863<Bagder> I think it should scroll automaticly and you'd only control the speed and pause/play
1864<g003y> yup the scroll api is really nice
1865<PsycoXul> my attempts at just making a simplistic by-word scrolling viewer with no fancy features have been nasty little pieces that didn't really work heh
1866<PsycoXul> Bagder: thats a good idea
1867<PsycoXul> save a lot of wear on the buttons heh
1868<Bagder> yeah
1869<PsycoXul> and fingers
1870<Bagder> you'd only make it run as fast as you wanna read, and then lean back ;-)
1871<g003y> or lean in :D
1872<PsycoXul> heh
1873<PsycoXul> but what is memory availability like for other tasks while mp3's are playing?
1874<g003y> well you're only looking at one line of text right?
1875<Bagder> the mp3 buffers are never available to anyone else, so the situation is the same all the time
1876<g003y> you shouldn't eat up much memory doing it.
1877<PsycoXul> yeah
1878<Bagder> it would need *some* to prevent it from reading from disk all the time
1879<PsycoXul> but we don't wanna keep reading from disk all the time either
1880<g003y> well you will need an optimal character buffer
1881<Bagder> how fast can a person read? how many words a minute do an average?
1882<g003y> but you're gonna have to take the hit on disk read anyway
1883<Bagder> 200-300?
1884<PsycoXul> Bagder: i dunno, i think it varies pretty widely
1885<Bagder> I guess
1886<Bagder> just trying to estimate buffers... :-)
1887<PsycoXul> there's also going backwards.. sometimes you just gotta go back and re-read something, or maybe you missed a word, etc
1888<PsycoXul> and i dunno how to handle that sorta stuff with buffers heh
1889<PsycoXul> like nicely anyways
1890<g003y> you would need to define what going back means
1891<g003y> 1 line or word at a time?
1892<PsycoXul> *shrug* i guess going backwards would probably be good going a whole line or so back per backwards press
1893<PsycoXul> the way i see it maybe as far as the interface is in autoscrolling the - decreases speed and + increases it, and then play/pause does just that, and in pause mode -/+ might jump backwards/forwards a line.. or something
1894<Bagder> not a bad idea
1895<g003y> that could work
1896<Bagder> ok, should it just output one word at a time, or try to "fill up" ?
1897<PsycoXul> well i think it should try to fill at least 1 line...
1898<Bagder> and 2 if there's a single word that is >11 letters?
1899<PsycoXul> for book purposes i don't really see the need for filling both lines.. i played with that a bit and it didn't really improve readability
1900<g003y> gotta idle
1901<PsycoXul> yeah
1902<PsycoXul> the 2nd line could also display something like i dunno possition or some useful thing most of the time, and a long-word wrap around like you said would probably be good
1903<Bagder> true
1904<PsycoXul> bookmarking could probably be just storing an offset somewhere.. like maybe a similarly named file that you could then select to go to its stored spot in the text file or something? ...
1905<Bagder> yes
1906<PsycoXul> but i suppose thats gotta wait for writing heh
1907<Bagder> :-)
1908<PsycoXul> so should the buffer be a fixed size or maybe scale with scrollspeed or something?
1909<Bagder> fixed probably easiest and probably good enough
1910* Bagder has an embryo now
1911<PsycoXul> wow
1912<Bagder> ok, it works a little now
1913<Bagder> I added it to CVS
1914<Bagder> it isn't actually used yet though
1915<Bagder> night
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1917<g003y> bagder has an embryo? interesting.
1918<PsycoXul> hehe
1919<g003y> I idle for a little while and you guys get him pregnant?
1920<PsycoXul> yep
1921<PsycoXul> well you helped i think
1922<g003y> hahaha
1923<g003y> I'm not paying child support. I was tricked :D
1924<PsycoXul> hehe
1925<PsycoXul> but hey its cool
1926<PsycoXul> textshow.c
1927<g003y> did you get it working?
1928<PsycoXul> i haven't tried it
1929<PsycoXul> just looked at it for the first time a second ago
1930<PsycoXul> heh
1931<PsycoXul> looks like much cleaner code than anything i've tried to do heh
1932<g003y> heh
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1958<Lear> Hi, gave a rockbox nightly build a test spin. Now, how do I turn it off? :)
1959<Hadaka> plug the archos into the computer, then turn it on and then remove the file
1960<Hadaka> optionally copy in a normal firmware from archos if you don't want to use the flashrom one
1961<Lear> To turn it on, I need to turn it off first... That's the problem. And nothing happens when I plug in the USB cable.
1962<Hadaka> err, unplug the charger cable
1963<Hadaka> and then hold the off button for a second or two
1964<Hadaka> then plug in the USB cable (not the charger cable)
1965<Hadaka> make sure that the USB cable is plugged in to the computer as well
1966<Hadaka> and then turn it on
1967<Hadaka> it should go into the USB mode
1968<Hadaka> and after that you can plug in the charger cabel
1969<Lear> ah, so the charger cable caused the problem. not very obvious, imho. :)
1970<Hadaka> well yes
1971<Hadaka> the problem being that the charger cable forces the jukebox to be on - so the hard power off doesn't work
1972<Hadaka> I found out that way before I got into rockbox - but someone should write something about that on the rockbox site
1973<Hadaka> like "How do I uninstall?"
1974<Lear> yeah, typical FAQ stuff.
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2009<elinenbe2> is anyone here?
2010<Lear> yep
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2013<elinenbe> again, is anyone here.
2014<Lear> elinebe: guess you don't hear me then :)
2015<elinenbe> ah...
2016<elinenbe> by any chance do you have the win32 recorder dimulator compiled?
2017<Lear> nope, just tried rockbox today. :)
2018<elinenbe> oh... ok
2019<Lear> and I have a studio...
2020<elinenbe> thanks anyway
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2025<elinenbe> there seems to be some sort of bug with lcd_fillrect() at least it does not seem to work for me properly. (This is on the recorder) I get the LED light blinking.
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2027<myshkin> c'est moi, adam, gidday
2028* myshkin quaffs a Jolt cola
2029<myshkin> :P
2030<webmind_> what?
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2034<green_> the h/d on my jukebox 6000 is messed up
2035<green_> I got a h/d disk error while using it yesterday
2036<green_> Neither Windows nor Linux can mount it.
2037<green_> I thought I would just try reformating it...
2038<green_> ..but I'm not sure how.
2039<elinenbe> if you cant mount it, then it will be quite hard to format it!
2040<green_> I figured it out.
2041<green_> mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sdc1
2042<green_> I was missing the "-F 32" part.
2043<green_> It's playing mp3 files again... phew!
2044<PsycoXul> you sure the batteries weren't just low?
2045<elinenbe> PaycoXul: I am almost done with sokoban for the Rockbox (recorder only!)
2046<PsycoXul> heh
2047<PsycoXul> well good for you, and the recorder :p
2048<elinenbe> you know that game?
2049<PsycoXul> i've heard of it, i don't recall what it is though
2050<elinenbe> finished my first beta
2051<green_> hmmm - when I copy my files from Linux to mounted jukebox file names get truncated to 8.3. How do you avoid this/
2052<green_> ?
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2056<g003y> I must keep missing Zagor this weekend
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2060<PsycoXul> green_: are you mounting it as vfat or msdos?
2061<elinenbe> anyone who has a recorder can now plasy sokoban on it :)
2062<elinenbe> s/plasy/play
2063<green_> PsycoXul: msdos
2064<green_> should I use vfat?
2065<green_> I just tried vfat. Much better!
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2068<elinenbe> edx!!!
2069<elinenbe> hey there.
2070<elinenbe> I need some helps
2071<elinenbe> can you send me a compiled win32 simulator? For some reason I can not get it to compile using nmake.
2072<edx> ..
2073<edx> why not (whats the error it gives you?)
2074<elinenbe> my msvc is messed up.
2075<elinenbe> it is nothing wrong with your package.
2076<edx> it might not work at all hehe
2077<edx> recorder or player compilation
2078<elinenbe> I just made a sokoban clone for the rockbox, and it is kind of a pain loading it onto the AJBR every time.
2079<elinenbe> I need both to tell you the truth
2080<edx> ok wait a second
2081<elinenbe> you can either email or DCC
2082<edx> are you behind a firewall (or a server) or can i send files via irc?
2083<elinenbe> I am behind a firewall, but it should work :()
2084<elinenbe> :)
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2087<edx> i am sorry.. i had to kill mirc
2088<elinenbe> no problem.
2089<edx> do you get the request (if not i'll mail you)
2090<elinenbe> yeah I got the request, but I do not think the DCC is going to work
2091<elinenbe> just email them.
2092<elinenbe> that would be great
2093<edx> adress? :)
2094<elinenbe> elinenbe@umich.edu
2095<edx> there it goes... 256 kb if that is ok..
2096<elinenbe> no prob.
2097<elinenbe> that is great
2098<elinenbe> where are you located?
2099<edx> you did the sokoban :)
2100<elinenbe> yeah
2101<edx> Germany
2102<elinenbe> it is fun
2103<edx> has it been uploaded, yet?
2104<elinenbe> but you know what I just made it better. I put a dealy on key presses. It works more nicely
2105<edx> where are you located?
2106<elinenbe> s/dealy/delay
2107<elinenbe> Ann Arbor, MI, USA
2108<elinenbe> and I can only have 4 levels. if I have more then 4 leves I get complie errors.
2109<edx> i dont know sokoban... is it integratet into the source yet?
2110<elinenbe> no, but you can get it at my www page.
2111<edx> what's the site's address?
2112<ironi> heh i just used PalmVNC
2113<ironi> cool stuff =)
2114<elinenbe> that is a cool program
2115<elinenbe> do you have a palm phone?
2116<ironi> but its sooo slow
2117<ironi> no i dont
2118<edx> no i dont.. i have used vnc tho
2119<ironi> i have aplain old palm III
2120<elinenbe> www.umich.edu/~elinenbe/ajbrec.ajz
2121<elinenbe> how do I use the recorder?
2122<edx> yup
2123<elinenbe> the simulator I mean
2124<elinenbe> how does it load the firmware?
2125<edx> the firmware is compiled into it
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2127<elinenbe> oh
2128<ironi> but even through GPRS it's way too slow
2129<elinenbe> hey g003y
2130<edx> i can make a compilation with your sokoba if you have source where a main function exists
2131<g003y> heya
2132<edx> sokoban...
2133<edx> hi
2134<g003y> see you got your clone working.
2135<g003y> unfortunately I don't have a recorder :(
2136<elinenbe> dont worry about it I will get it into the CVS
2137<elinenbe> do you have CVS access?
2138<g003y> only anonymous still
2139<g003y> I contacted Zagor, but haven't heard back
2140<edx> hmm i'll compile sokoban for the simulator.. :)
2141<ironi> what's up with this clone?
2142<g003y> it works :D
2143<elinenbe> I just made a sokoban clone for the recorder.
2144<g003y> I think...
2145<edx> now i know what sokoban is.. damn that rocks
2146<edx> i compiled a win32 sim with it
2147<edx> interested anyone? :)
2148<edx> i'll put it on my webserver and post the address in the mailing list lol
2149<elinenbe> well, the sokoban is only 4 levels. I could not make it more.
2150<elinenbe> something about confliction addresses.
2151<edx> hmm
2152<edx> i like it very much
2153<edx> it's a cool game! :) great design
2154<edx> http://codeforce.d2g.com/rockbox/sokoban(win32sim).exe
2155<edx> unforutnalely it doesnt seem to work at the moment
2156<edx> (the address i mean)
2157<edx> i have to leave now... good night
2158<g003y> see ya
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2160<ironi> well
2161<ironi> hm
2162<ironi> id love to make an arkanoid game for the player
2163<g003y> oh yeah
2164<ironi> but is i tpossible to control the dots?
2165<g003y> the player is not as flexible as the record that way
2166<ironi> or is it just possible to use symbols int he different squares
2167<elinenbe> you could possibly do something like arkanoid on the player
2168<elinenbe> it would be much harder though
2169<g003y> yup
2170<ironi> so the player display only accepts symbols?
2171<ironi> i.e. i cant control every one of the ....lets say 9 dots in every char
2172<ironi> separately
2173<g003y> only accepts a set of valid characters as defined in the characters table
2174<g003y> I believe
2175<g003y> it's not bitmap based like the recorder
2176<g003y> hence why all these cool little games are happening for the recorder
2177<elinenbe> well, the characters are 7x9 or something likee that -- rihgt?
2178<g003y> but the player mod can play mp3s at least :D
2179<g003y> soemthing like that... I'd have to look at the code
2180<elinenbe> that is true, but soon so will the recorder.
2181<g003y> yeah anyword on that ?
2182<elinenbe> nothing definitly
2183<g003y> too bad archos didn't use the same chipsets. it would probably have it already then
2184<Hadaka> I think I might be making a demo on a recorder for a party that's sometime next year
2185<elinenbe> go for it. That would be great.
2186<elinenbe> I think I am going to do a vector engine.
2187<g003y> asteroids !
2188<g003y> :D
2189<elinenbe> then you would have to do sin tables and stuff like that.
2190<elinenbe> maybe I won't do that...
2191<g003y> heheheheheehe
2192<g003y> starts to sound more like work than fun eh?
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2198<g003y> netsplit
2199<g003y> love those. they are like virtual roller coaster rides :D
2200<ironi> hehe
2201<ironi> well i dont get very excited though :-P
2202<g003y> heheh
2203<g003y> w00t... my stuff almost works :D
2204<g003y> just a bit of tweaking on the string parsing and menu exit & done
2205<ironi> what is it that you are doing?
2206<g003y> making a user selectable mp3 play display
2207<g003y> the mod right now only does id3
2208<g003y> I'm adding a couple more options to this
2209<g003y> one is scroll the filename ala classic firmware
2210<g003y> and two is more of a path parsing to pull out relevant information
2211<g003y> as well as maintain the option of id3 tag display
2212<ironi> is that just for recorder?
2213<g003y> no player
2214<g003y> I only have a player right now
2215<ironi> great
2216<ironi> i have player
2217<g003y> I may leave the recorder implementation up to someone else :D
2218<ironi> so can you pleas emake the recation on click when scrolling a bit delayed
2219<g003y> plus I will have to integrate this with playlist functionality once it's done
2220<ironi> as it is now its way too fast
2221<ironi> reaction
2222<ironi> i'd love to try what you have done
2223<ironi> to give you feedback
2224<g003y> I'm sure it could be tweaked, but I don't have ssh access to the tree did
2225<g003y> yeah I'll post it
2226<g003y> I just have to get the menu exit right.
2227<ironi> i haven't set up a compile environment, really
2228<ironi> :P
2229<ironi> maybe i should
2230<g003y> are you on win32?
2231<ironi> yup
2232<g003y> then it's as easy as Zagor's directions
2233<g003y> so long as you install cygwin
2234<ironi> i do have a linux box, but it's just 486 dx4/100
2235<ironi> maybe too slow
2236<g003y> hahaha... wow been awhile since I've seen one of those
2237<ironi> I was considering vmware
2238<g003y> depends on how fast you want your mod file :D
2239<g003y> anyway I'm compiling on win32/cygwin myself
2240<ironi> i have it installed already
2241<ironi> yeah? well isnt it so much more convenient to do it in linux?
2242<g003y> it doesn't matter tome
2243<g003y> cygwin gives ya a bash shell
2244<g003y> from there it all feels the same
2245<g003y> works the same as well
2246<ironi> oh really
2247<g003y> you should have the same tools at your disposal as a linux install
2248<ironi> lemme see
2249<g003y> yup
2250<ironi> The new v0202 version now uses MinGW instead of Cygwin.
2251<ironi> should i get the new one then?
2252<g003y> huh?
2253<g003y> v0202 of what?
2254<ironi> gnush toolchain
2255<g003y> I don't use gnush toolchain
2256<ironi> but what then
2257<g003y> that is only another way to do it, but it was more difficult to setup IMO
2258<ironi> that is the instructions on the rockbox page
2259<ironi> ok tlel me what to do
2260<ironi> tell
2261<g003y> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html
2262<g003y> install cygwin
2263<g003y> then do that from the shell
2264<ironi> ok brb
2265<g003y> I belive edx is using the gnush
2266<g003y> toolkit
2267<g003y> elinenbe did it my way with success as well
2268<g003y> well really Zagor's way :D
2269<ironi> cygwin installer is a mess
2270<g003y> it's not that bad.
2271<g003y> you just have to select things ala the package menu
2272<ironi> well
2273<ironi> i dont knwo what i need
2274<ironi> now it froze
2275<g003y> ouch
2276<ironi> i dont understand a thing from the packae install
2277<ironi> prev curr exp
2278<ironi> previous current expected?
2279<ironi> but what?
2280<g003y> I go with current myself
2281<g003y> exp probably is experimental
2282<ironi> can i actually install X here?
2283<ironi> and run it under iwndows
2284<g003y> IDK... I don't do X
2285<g003y> I doubt it though
2286<ironi> ok
2287<ironi> well it wa sin the options
2288<ironi> it seems like one can install a complete linux system to run under windows
2289<g003y> well maybe you can, but I've never tried it nor have I known anyone to do it that wayy
2290<ironi> ok
2291<ironi> well ill skip it for now
2292<g003y> good choice :D
2293<ironi> oh i need ot get binutils and stuff
2294<g003y> you do all that after you install cgywin to get it updated
2295<g003y> you'll need to recompile gcc per his directions on the website.
2296<g003y> which means you will need gcc & make and all that installed
2297<g003y> you can get the tarballs for the stuff from Gnu.
2298<ironi> ok cygwin instaslled
2299<ironi> so now what
2300<ironi> update it?
2301<g003y> follow the directions on the url I posted
2302<ironi> wooo
2303<ironi> this is soo cool
2304<g003y> yeah *nix shell on win32 :). spooky even.
2305<ironi> well it seems terribly slow though
2306<g003y> what is terribly slow?
2307<ironi> or this is maybe a very old version of wget
2308<g003y> no probs here
2309<g003y> though I just went to the gnu site, and fetched it with IE. Saved it to the proper directory and extracted it all from the cygwin shell
2310<ironi> oh really
2311<g003y> yeha
2312<ironi> yeah i guess that can be done hehe
2313<g003y> you got unixy power and ease of IE available to you :D
2314<ironi> then i can use d/l accelerator
2315<ironi> way faster
2316<g003y> sure whatever floats your boat
2317<g003y> don't attempt to extract the tarballs with winzip though. It's lame about it all
2318<g003y> do it the way the website shows, but from the cygwin shell so you get all the tools you need.
2319<ironi> i see
2320<ironi> well im familiar with linux
2321<g003y> alright then you should be ok
2322<ironi> i dont like the look of this bash shell
2323<ironi> i want directory
2324<g003y> well then set it up the way you want it :D
2325<ironi> heh actually never done that
2326<ironi> well llook into it later
2327<ironi> gdb i s jsut for remote debugging right?
2328<g003y> yeah
2329<g003y> I didn't set that up
2330<ironi> k
2331<g003y> I do it the painful way
2332<ironi> compile an dcopy to the archos?
2333<ironi> and
2334<g003y> yup :D
2335<g003y> like the old cobol days
2336<ironi> but is remote debugging possible in window stoo?
2337<g003y> IDK
2338<g003y> probably
2339<ironi> cc not found
2340<g003y> change CC=cc to CC=gcc in the makefile
2341<ironi> k
2342<ironi> ah
2343<ironi> text editor
2344<ironi> none
2345<g003y> vi
2346<g003y> not there?
2347<ironi> no :/
2348<g003y> stupid cygwin
2349<g003y> you should be able to go back and install that package
2350<ironi> ill just use my win text editor
2351<g003y> that shoudl workd
2352<ironi> yup
2353<ironi> so i change it to gcc and try configure again
2354<g003y> yeah
2355<ironi> well i didnt have gcc either
2356<g003y> oh well install it :D
2357<g003y> you need a current rev to get yourself started
2358<ironi> i tell you, cygwin installer suxx
2359<g003y> I don't like the package selection either
2360<g003y> but once it's installed it works
2361<ironi> well yes
2362<ironi> it owuld be coolt with an apt-like system heh
2363<ironi> cyg-get gcc
2364<ironi> =)
2365<g003y> yes
2366<g003y> that would be nice
2367<ironi> wouldnt be too har dot accomplish sinc eit already is installing by downloading packages
2368<ironi> prolly possible to fix in a perl script
2369<g003y> does it have one once you install the main portion of cygwin?
2370<g003y> I've never seen one, but it might exist :D
2371<ironi> im trying aain
2372<ironi> again
2373<g003y> and again :D
2374<ironi> it seems to be able to configure now
2375<ironi> but its acting like a p133 or something
2376<g003y> eww
2377<ironi> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/screenshots/cygwin-xfree86-wmaker.png
2378<ironi> i have to try X under cygwin
2379<ironi> prolly slow
2380<g003y> probably
2381<g003y> but it is kind of funny
2382<ironi> eyeah
2383<ironi> well its kinda stupid when one looks at vmware
2384<ironi> i wish there was a open source vmware clone
2385<ironi> u still there g003y
2386<ironi> damn
2387<ironi> my cygwin dir is 300 mb now
2388<ironi> that sucls
2389<adi|home> anyone know off hand who commited bounce.[ch]?
2390<adi|home> nm
2391<ironi> http://www.spiegel.de/img/0%2c1020%2c190869%2c00.jpg
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2396<ivana-87-> | PS | -| PS |
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2398<g003y> was that random or just a bot?
2399<g003y> :D
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2407<dwihno> Yay, sokoban rules :D
2408--> myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox
2409<myshkin> lo
2410* myshkin notes twin is cool :p
2411<myshkin> a good escape from lame X11
2412<dwihno> is it good? :)
2413<dwihno> I never tried it, I've always sticked to screen
2414<myshkin> heh
2415<myshkin> it's funky
2416<myshkin> I like it...
2417<myshkin> I still use screen ;p
2418<dwihno> I'll try to compile it and test it out
2419<myshkin> heh
2420<myshkin> using debian?
2421<myshkin> if so, there is a decent package for it.
2422<myshkin> I compiled my own, out of sheer boredom
2423* myshkin quaffs a jolt cola
2424<myshkin> oh yeah, this is me, adam, or kitsune, or whatever
2425<myshkin> I've settled on this name, for now ;)
2426<dwihno> mkay
2427<myshkin> twsetroot == funny, I've got my ascii art motd as a 'background'
2428<dwihno> yay
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2431<adi|dads> anyone around or everyone sleeping?
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2436<Bagder> moo
2437<dwihno> YIKES!
2438* dwihno jumps high
2439* dwihno ends up sitting in a tree
2440<Bagder> :-)
2441<dwihno> Did you enjoy the weekend?
2442<Bagder> I certainly did
2443<Bagder> you?
2444<dwihno> Hmm. I spent the saturday working on a project, and yesterday I did my laundry and cleaned my appartment ;)
2445<dwihno> I guess there are funnier things to do, but at least, it's done.
2446<dwihno> "I brännvin ska du bada, i Bacchi lada"
2447<Bagder> the build is.... *red*
2448<dwihno> :O
2449<dwihno> OH MY GOOOOD! :(
2450<dwihno> Call in the TASK FORCE!
2451* Bagder dials 911
2452* dwihno dials 1-800-BAGDER
2453<dwihno> :D
2454* dwihno dials 1-800-ZAGOR
2455* dwihno dials 1-800-LINUS
2456<dwihno> Hmm, "numret du ringer har flyttat, men saknar referens" :)
2457--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
2458<dwihno> Good morning Linus, welcome back to the wonderful world of ROCKBOX! :D
2459<Linus> Thank you! :-)
2460<Bagder> hey Linus
2461<Bagder> Linus: I don't really undertand the current compile-status link breakage, can you have a look at it?
2462<elinenbe> hello there
2463<Bagder> morning elinenbe
2464<Linus> It means that the pad section overlaps the rodata section
2465<Linus> the pad section is located at an absolute address
2466<Bagder> but what is the pad section for?
2467<Linus> remove it
2468<elinenbe> would it be possible to get CVS access?
2469<Linus> the pad section is for ....padding...
2470<Linus> you know the minimum size thing
2471<Bagder> padding what?
2472<Bagder> aaah
2473<Linus> the archos firmware doesn't load very small .mod files
2474<elinenbe> 2:30 am -- US vs. Mexico! I am holding out here.
2475<Linus> DERBY!
2476<elinenbe> hey, what is up with fillrect() -- I tried to use this on the recorder, and it just gave me a blinking led light
2477<Linus> Oh, we accidentally misspelled the lcd_blink() function.
2478<Linus> Sorry, couldn't resist... :-)
2479* dwihno loves the sokoban gokomuku game! :D
2480<Bagder> elinenbe: mail your sf account user name to Björn to get cvs access
2481<Linus> elinenbe: no text on screen?
2482<elinenbe> Badger: will do.
2483<elinenbe> Linus: what do you mean no text on screen?
2484<elinenbe> I was just making that little sokoban game, and I attempted to use fill_rect() (something like that) and it never worked properly.
2485<Bagder> elinenbe: did you try to fill a big rectangle?
2486<elinenbe> not at all..
2487<Linus> elinenbe: I mean "no error message?"
2488<elinenbe> maybe 4x4 pixels
2489<Bagder> oh
2490<elinenbe> oh. yeah there was NO error message
2491<Bagder> btw, I think I've broken lcd_invertrect()
2492<Bagder> whatever that function is supposed to be good for
2493<elinenbe> that worked in my game. I used it for the winning screen
2494<elinenbe> it gives a nice flash effect
2495<Bagder> well, were you using the cvs sources?
2496<elinenbe> no -- yesterdays tarball
2497<Bagder> ok
2498<Bagder> I modified the behavior on saturday
2499<elinenbe> Badger: what happened to Sweden in the Cup?
2500<Bagder> lost against Senegal
2501<Bagder> yesterday
2502<dwihno> yeah :(
2503<dwihno> Such a sad moment!
2504<Linus> Bagder: only the recorder has reached the minimum size
2505<Bagder> oh
2506<Bagder> eh
2507<dwihno> Andersson did a really cool circus number trying to score
2508<Bagder> can we make it conditional somehow?
2509<Linus> I don't think so, we may need two lds files
2510<Bagder> or can we have multiple -T options perhaps?
2511<Linus> multiple?
2512<Bagder> I hate having two files almost identical
2513<Bagder> would be better if the pad thing could be included with a second -T optin
2514<elinenbe> When I tried to compile more levels into the sokoban game, it gave me an error -- is there a maximum size for variables or something like that?
2515<Bagder> elinenbe: we're fixing that just noww
2516<elinenbe> oh great. that is nice.
2517<Linus> elinenbe: quick fix: cvs update firmware/app.lds
2518<Bagder> I made a separate lds file now
2519<Bagder> elinenbe: you did notice your added files make the build go yellow? ;-)
2520<elinenbe> yeah -- there was a sprintf
2521<elinenbe> or something like that. I will fix it.
2522<Bagder> have Björn add you to the dev team first, then you can do it yourself with cvs
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2524<Bagder> hey green
2525* Bagder runs off to fill up more coffee
2526<elinenbe> yeah I will do that.
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2529<Bagder> hey ho Z
2530<Zagor> hey
2531--- Received a CTCP VERSION from l_9_l (to #rockbox)
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2533* Bagder hms
2534<Bagder> he comes here CTCP-versioning us all and then leaves...
2535<Zagor> looking for vulns, no doubt
2536<Bagder> indeed
2537<dwihno> damn those h4x0rs
2538<Zagor> oooh, sokoban :)
2539* Zagor is reading his mail
2540<dwihno> Zagor: I'm WAAAAY ahead of you! :D
2541<Bagder> you absent person ;-)
2542<Zagor> yeah, i was /away this weekend
2543<Bagder> Zagor: you need to add elinenbe to the sf project so that he can fix the yellow build ;-)
2544<Zagor> righty, what's his sf username?
2545<Bagder> elinenbe: booo! here?
2546<Zagor> two klez mails for the list blocked already
2547<Bagder> yeah, but one true spam got through... :-/
2548<Zagor> yup
2549<Bagder> cought in my filter though ;-)
2550<Bagder> caught
2551<Bagder> X-Spam-Because: subject matched regex "[A-Z0-9]+.*[A-Z]{3,}.*[A-Z]{5,}.*[A-Z]{3,}"
2552<Bagder> !!
2553<dwihno> the range {3,} means unlimited?
2554<Bagder> 3 to to unlimited, yes
2555<dwihno> mkay
2556* dwihno just learned something new
2557* dwihno fixes some code rightaway ;D
2558<Bagder> haha
2559<dwihno> :)
2560<Bagder> Zagor: we should evaluate SpamAssasin for filtering the list
2561<Zagor> have you looked at it?
2562<Bagder> no, but I've read a bunch of good things about it
2563<Bagder> seems to be about the same concept like my blockspam
2564<Bagder> but better implemented
2565<Zagor> ok
2566<dwihno> as long as it has 50+ command line options, it ruulez ;)
2567<dwihno> software with less = bad :)
2568<Bagder> curl --help | grep - -- | wc -l
2569<Bagder> 79
2570<Bagder> :-)
2571<dwihno> :D
2572<Zagor> have any of you guys had a problem starting the archos firmware once you've ran rockbox?
2573<Bagder> nope
2574<Zagor> some people in the yahoo list indicates problems of that kind
2575<elinenbe> I am hgere
2576<elinenbe> I am here
2577<elinenbe> I just watched USA beat Mexico 2-0!!!!
2578<Bagder> elinenbe: tell Zagor your sf account name
2579<Zagor> hey, elinenbe. what's your sf name?
2580<elinenbe> I am most positive it is elinenbe
2581<Zagor> ok
2582<Linus> I have had the restart problem in my recorder
2583<Linus> it turns out that the extension of the firmware has a meaning
2584<Bagder> how did you solve it?
2585<Linus> The only firmware file on my recorder was ajbrec.ejz
2586<Zagor> elinenbe: you're added
2587<elinenbe> thanks. what is the meaning of the firmware extension?
2588<Linus> i copied it to ajbrec_orig.ejz and copied the new ajbrec.ajz to the HD
2589<Linus> worked OK
2590<Bagder> yes, that .ejz file is mysterious
2591<Linus> then i wanted to go back to the original
2592<Linus> so i removed the ajbrec.ajz and copied the ajbrec_orig.ejz to ajbrec.ejz
2593<Linus> no go. it booted from the ROM
2594<Linus> i renamed ajbrec.ejz to ajbrec.ajz. no go
2595<Linus> i had to download a new ajbrec.ajz from archos web site
2596<Linus> really strange
2597<Bagder> no, .ejz and .ajz are not the same kinds of files
2598<Bagder> they look very different
2599<Zagor> interesting
2600<Zagor> i didn't know that
2601<Linus> i wonder what the difference is
2602<Zagor> do any of you have an .ejz file we can look at?
2603<Bagder> I do
2604<Linus> maybe it is descrambled?
2605<Bagder> my thoughts too
2606<Bagder> but there's no strings at all visisble for example
2607<elinenbe> Linus: what is the status of audio on the recorder?
2608<Zagor> but then why doesn't it work when you replace it?
2609<Bagder> they are also differently sized
2610<Bagder> -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 111130 Apr 8 23:48 AJBREC.ajz
2611<Bagder> -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 136938 Apr 8 23:48 ajbrec.ejz
2612<Zagor> it sure looks unscrambled
2613<Linus> elinenbe: patience, Grasshopper...
2614<dwihno> No status at all ? :-)
2615<Zagor> at least the vector table appears intact
2616* dwihno is tiny grasshopper too
2617<Linus> I have I2C contact with the chip.
2618<elinenbe> Grasshopper?
2619<Zagor> nah, the vector table is not right
2620<Linus> elinenbe: A line from a kung-fu TV series. I have forgotten its' name.
2621<Bagder> Zagor: did you notice the "ARCH" text in the beginning?
2622<dwihno> it's always grasshoppers in the kung-fu movies
2623<Zagor> yes
2624<dwihno> Zagor is grasshopper too
2625<elinenbe> brb
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2628<Bagder> need... more... coffee
2629<Linus> Actually, the name of the TV series _is_ "Kung Fu".
2630<Linus> The apprentice is called Caine, and his master is called Master Kan or something
2631<Linus> A real classic
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2634<Zagor> brb
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2637<ironi> Zagor
2638<Zagor> mm?
2639<ironi> hi! =)
2640<Zagor> ah :)
2641<Bagder> Zagor: checked that FAT bug report yet?
2642<Zagor> nope, will do
2643<Zagor> just got a core when shuffling the playlist...
2644<Bagder> oh
2645<Zagor> deep in X
2646<Bagder> hua
2647--- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch
2648<Zagor> the ATA bug report is wrong
2649<Bagder> oh
2650<Zagor> we do use 'startsector', only not where he thought it would be
2651<Zagor> he had to make the change because he disabled caching
2652<Bagder> well, fine then ;-)
2653<ironi> i built the compiling ewnvironment using cygwin
2654<ironi> it worked fine
2655<Bagder> neato
2656<Bagder> no include warnings?
2657<Bagder> did you build with newlib or not?
2658<ironi> well m y point was that cygwin just messed up and i deleted it
2659<ironi> cause it sucks.
2660<ironi> but it's acool idea.
2661<ironi> now im going for vmware instead.
2662<ironi> =)
2663<Bagder> heh
2664<ironi> real linux :-P
2665<ironi> its kinda cool that you can assign a iso image as the cdrom for the virtual machine
2666<Bagder> It Works Better (tm)
2667<ironi> vmware in general impresses me a lot.
2668<Bagder> its cool enough
2669<ironi> something else taht is cool is PalmVNC
2670<ironi> with the scaling-enabled VNC server
2671<ironi> you can even get the desktop scaled to fit on the pal m screen, heh
2672<ironi> people come up with the neatest things
2673<Bagder> :-)
2674<Zagor> hmm, should FAT shortnames be all uppercase or all lowercase?
2675<Bagder> no idea
2676<Bagder> I like lowercase better of course
2677<Zagor> I just created "allfiles.m3u" and it became all uppercase and thus not recognized as a playlist :)
2678<Bagder> hehe
2679<Bagder> not case insensitive yet, huh? ;-)
2680<Zagor> btw, I think we should jump through some hoops to support winamp-generated playlists. i.e. handle backslash, no preceding slash and also disk names.
2681<Bagder> well
2682<Bagder> the paths will be wrong anyway, won't they?
2683<Zagor> why?
2684<Bagder> because winamp will use the full path to the tracks
2685<Bagder> and we won't use the same paths
2686<Bagder> or maybe we will
2687<Bagder> if we cut off the disk name
2688<Zagor> yeah, but the archos is a new disk (F: for example) so the path will be ok
2689<Zagor> exactly
2690<Bagder> good point
2691<Bagder> so yes, we should convert slashes and ignore disk names
2692<Bagder> I made it ignore #-lines the other day
2693<Zagor> good
2694<Zagor> for some reason, winamp creates one # line for every file when creating a new list. there's no info on the line, just the filename...
2695<Bagder> it supposedly can store time info etc there
2696<Bagder> song lengths
2697<Zagor> i'll make them lowercase
2698<Zagor> umm, or maybe not. lowercasing CP437 is not so fun...
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2701<calpefrosch> hi
2702<Bagder> hi calpefrosch
2703<Zagor> heyyy, froggie! :)
2704<calpefrosch> the list of users has grown
2705<calpefrosch> since I went in holidays
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2707--- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus
2708<Zagor> Bagder: what is the idea with this code:
2709<Zagor> if('/' == now_playing[1])
2710<Zagor> return &now_playing[1];
2711<Zagor> when will the second character be a slash?
2712<Bagder> to prevent two initial slashes
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2714<Bagder> it usually is
2715<Zagor> usually?
2716<Bagder> if the file name was an absolute path
2717<Bagder> it loads the file name from position 1
2718<Bagder> s/from/at
2719<Zagor> ah, yes. missed that.
2720<Bagder> we might not want that safety precautions
2721<Zagor> why not?
2722<Bagder> its just a matter of where to draw the line
2723<Bagder> adding a preceeding slash will hardly make us find the right file anyway
2724<Bagder> if the playlist uses relative paths
2725<Zagor> in my test case it would work, so I'd say it has a value
2726<Bagder> so leave it
2727<Bagder> I mean, leave it in there
2728<Zagor> yes
2729<Zagor> this should make most winamp playlists work
2730<Linus> I just tried the PLAY key in the recorder. It doesn't work. Why?
2731<Zagor> because we now only check for the RIGHT key. it was part of the #ifdef cleanup.
2732<Zagor> yes, it's wrong :(
2733<Zagor> :)
2734<Zagor> uh, my recorder menu key stopped working???
2735<Zagor> sim
2736<Zagor> bah, my silly X doesn't send the events!
2737<ironi> heh
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2742<Bagder> yoyo?
2743<Bagder> :-)
2744<Linus> Zagor: it sucks to have a modem, right? :-)
2745<Zagor> yeah, trying to get a new kernel on this damn redhat box but the initrd junk barfs on me
2746<Zagor> is there a point to sokoban.c having #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP around the whole code?
2747<Zagor> i'm removing it
2748<Bagder> no point
2749* Zagor is listening to whole-disk random playback. And smiles.
2750<Bagder> I think g003y said he couldn't make playlist work this weekend
2751<Bagder> was that the play button not doing right?
2752<Zagor> yeah, some ppl on yahoo said that too. i think it was probably us being picky about playlist formwat
2753<Zagor> that's fixed now
2754<Bagder> so you tried making a playlist with winamp and play it yet?
2755<Zagor> yep, that's what I'm playing now
2756<Bagder> ok
2757<Bagder> coolio
2758<Bagder> wow, going towards a green build again
2759<Zagor> and having shuffle as an option makes a lot more sense, I think
2760<dwihno> yay
2761<Bagder> Zagor: it does
2762<Bagder> however, now you can't re-shuffle, can you?
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2764<alkorr> hi !
2765<Zagor> just start the list again
2766<Bagder> Zagor: so it re-seeds on playlist load?
2767<Bagder> hi alan
2768<alkorr> i'm learning now that we don' need newlib any longer to compile rockbox :)
2769<Zagor> Bagder: yes, using current_tick
2770<Bagder> ok
2771<Bagder> we should remake the makefiles to use the include files I added
2772<Zagor> Linus: can I get my player-new some day, for testing?
2773<Zagor> hmm, what happens if a playlist file isn't found?
2774<Zagor> it stops
2775<Bagder> it won't be loaded ;-P
2776<alkorr> in fact, we should have keep includes but just change add our own headers for non-simulator part
2777<alkorr> but never mind
2778<alkorr> :)
2779<Bagder> I'll rebuild my gcc without newlib
2780<alkorr> what ? "permission denied" ???
2781<Bagder> ?
2782<Zagor> hehe, the scroll is quite slow while loading mp3 data :)
2783<alkorr> i cannot access cvs !?
2784<Linus> Zagor: no way. I sold it. :-)
2785<alkorr> cvs -z9 update -P (in directory E:\rockbox\apps\)
2786<alkorr> Permission denied, please try again.
2787<alkorr> Permission denied, please try again.
2788<alkorr> Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive).
2789<Zagor> strange
2790<Bagder> I haven't had any problems
2791<alkorr> i try again
2792<Bagder> caps lock? :-)
2793<alkorr> aahh good idea
2794<alkorr> nope, i'm really in trouble
2795<Bagder> hey, did you check the "bounce" screen? ;-)
2796<alkorr> "bounce" ?
2797<Bagder> I had a little time over this weekend... hehe
2798<Bagder> got to excercise the lcd api a bit
2799<Zagor> Linus: boohoo! how about some chicken lunch tomorrow?
2800<Bagder> damned gcc
2801<alkorr> i'm trying to login sourceforge.net to check
2802<Linus> Zagor: great idea! 11:30?
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2804<Bagder> /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s: Assembler messages:
2805<Bagder> /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:2: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'.
2806<Bagder> /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:3: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'.
2807<Bagder> /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:4: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'.
2808<Bagder> fun huh?
2809<Bagder> :-/
2810<alkorr> what are the lines ?
2811<Bagder> no idea, the file is generated and then removed when I wanna check it out
2812<Bagder> /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:47: Error: no such 386 instruction: `rotcl'
2813<alkorr> -save-temp
2814<alkorr> ahahaha
2815<Bagder> it seems to be a confusion to which cpu it is for
2816<alkorr> 386 !?
2817<Bagder> yeah
2818<Bagder> --target=sh-elf
2819<alkorr> ok i know
2820<alkorr> you are calling the bad 'as'
2821<Bagder> "the bad as" ?
2822<alkorr> it must be 'sh-elf-as'
2823<alkorr> yes it seems it calls not the right 'as' (assembler)
2824<Bagder> all I do is invoke configure
2825<Bagder> and then make
2826<alkorr> oh you mean it doesn't come from the rockbox source ?
2827<Bagder> this is gcc
2828<Bagder> 3.0.3
2829<Bagder> I'm trying to build a cross compiler without newlib
2830<alkorr> when you compile gcc 3.0.3 ? huh... i don't remember to have the same error...
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2832<alkorr> well i compile gcc 3.0.3 but i fail to compile newlib, even when i asked not to add it
2833<alkorr> compiled
2834<alkorr> but as it compiled gcc before
2835<alkorr> well i just make a 'make install' and it looks as if working
2836<Zagor> does anyone know any unfixed bugs right now?
2837* Bagder shakes his head
2838<Bagder> thinking og 1.1 release?
2839<Bagder> of
2840<Zagor> yes
2841<alkorr> normally i followed the instructions given by Linus
2842<Zagor> it's been over two weeks
2843<Bagder> yeah, its time
2844<Zagor> since 1.0 and over one week since we met the roadmap for 1.1
2845<alkorr> and my only problem came from newlib compilation, not during gcc
2846<Bagder> I'll sort it out
2847<alkorr> when you compile, just try to configure without any SH binary paths added in PATH
2848<alkorr> no it is stupid for me
2849<alkorr> it is the contrary
2850<alkorr> you must add the as,ld, etc. for SH target in PATH when configuring and compiling gcc
2851<alkorr> did you make it ?
2852<Bagder> yes
2853<alkorr> strange...
2854<alkorr> yes but for as or sh-elf-as ?
2855<Bagder> sh-elf-as is the SH versin, as is the native version
2856<alkorr> because i put the path where to find sh-elf-as
2857<Bagder> I have them all
2858<alkorr> weird...
2859<Bagder> I have a theory I'm trying out now
2860<alkorr> zagor: password for cvs is the same for sourceforge.net login ???
2861<Zagor> yes
2862<alkorr> OK
2863<alkorr> I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS
2864<alkorr> I MUST INVERT CASE
2865<alkorr> IT IS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A new keyboard, very weird !!!!
2866<Zagor> Bagder: the ejz file, was it the one that came with your archos?
2867<Bagder> yes
2868<alkorr> aaahh i happen to get managed with downloading them. I was afraid. :/
2869<alkorr> ok try them. CU !
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2871<Bagder> hm, right
2872<Bagder> --prefix has to match the binutils path when I build gcc
2873<Bagder> Zagor: you ready to cut off the newlib headers?
2874<Zagor> i haven't looked at it in a while. are we there?
2875<Bagder> yes
2876<Zagor> excellent. i am ready
2877<Bagder> but I thought I'd install a newlib-less gcc too
2878<Bagder> so that I can see for myself
2879* Bagder installs
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2881<Zagor> yes, good idea
2882<Bagder> since elinbe and g003y both installed without newlib
2883<Bagder> they got include errors when compiling
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2885<plmirc> hi
2886<Bagder> hey ho plmirc
2887<plmirc> want to test something on a archos 10G ?
2888<Bagder> nothing in particular right now, I think, get the latest binary and play around and see if it works!
2889<plmirc> ata -2
2890<plmirc> with the last one
2891<Bagder> gosh!
2892<plmirc> the only one which work is the one that linus send me
2893<Bagder> hm
2894<Bagder> I thought we added Linus' check
2895<plmirc> me too
2896<Bagder> Zagor: any clues?
2897<Zagor> hmmm
2898<Zagor> odd
2899<Zagor> the check is added
2900<Zagor> where did linus go?
2901<Bagder> dunno
2902<plmirc> why isn't there a firmware for today about recorder version ?
2903<Zagor> *someone* broke it...
2904<plmirc> the last one is for yesterday
2905<Bagder> plmirc: if you check the build status at the bottom, you can see the red boxes...
2906<Zagor> look further down on the page and you see that the recorder build failed in the 23:40 build
2907<Bagder> Zagor: with our own "libc" headers in include/ we could move a few dir.h and file.h etc protos into the "regular" header files
2908<Zagor> yup
2909<plmirc> i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 linse
2910<plmirc> i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 line
2911<Zagor> yes but the daily build is made at 06:00
2912<Bagder> 04:00 GMT actually
2913<Zagor> right
2914<plmirc> so we have wait to 2 hours before have the daily build for recorder
2915<Zagor> we have to wait 14 hours for the next build
2916<Zagor> daily means "once per day". and that once is 04:00 GMT
2917<plmirc> hmm ok
2918<plmirc> and if one crash.. there is anything for the day
2919<Zagor> but you can grab my latest at bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz
2920<plmirc> oki
2921<Zagor> we make more frequent development builds, but there is little point in publishing them
2922<Bagder> uff
2923<Bagder> sim build died
2924<Zagor> I can imagine
2925<plmirc> ata -2
2926<plmirc> again ... :'(
2927<Zagor> plmirc: ok
2928<Bagder> ok, it seems to work now
2929<Bagder> no newlib headers
2930<Zagor> nice
2931<Bagder> and the replacement ones are really small
2932<Zagor> i'm removing newlib from the gcc instructions, then
2933<Bagder> yep
2934<Zagor> do you specify --without-newlib or nothing at all?
2935<Zagor> when compiling gcc
2936<Bagder> nothing at all
2937<Zagor> ok
2938<Zagor> updated
2939<Bagder> dang
2940<Bagder> red builds red builds
2941<Bagder> ctype
2942<Zagor> booo!
2943<Zagor> we need ctype for strcasecmp later anyway
2944<Bagder> yeah
2945<Zagor> this shuffle playback rocks!
2946<plmirc> zagor : you want a retest it now ?
2947<plmirc> zagor : you want I retest it now ?
2948<Zagor> plmirc: no, i haven't done any changes. I need to speak to Linus first, to see what he had in the build he gave to you
2949<plmirc> hm ok
2950<Zagor> obviously, his code was not the same as he checked into cvs
2951<plmirc> visually...
2952<Bagder> Zagor: the copying file should be in FILES too, right?
2953<Zagor> yes
2954<Bagder> all green again
2955<Zagor> goodie
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2957<edx> hi
2958<Bagder> hi
2959<Zagor> ironi: what's your real name (for credits)
2960<Bagder> "Tome Cvitan" I guess
2961<Zagor> ok
2962<Bagder> he posted to the list once
2963<Zagor> ah
2964<Zagor> I'm listing three changes since 1.0:
2965<Zagor> scrolling, playlist, shuffle
2966<Zagor> have we done anything else? :-)
2967<Bagder> not that is visible in the players
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2969<dwihno> Zagor: Any enlightenment regarding the LCD flickering?
2970<Zagor> no
2971--> mecrawnicknack (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox
2972<dwihno> Really strange.
2973<Zagor> we'll be testing with some faster forms of scrolling later, that might solve it
2974<Bagder> we do *two* updates when we scroll one line
2975<Zagor> really?
2976<Zagor> that's bad
2977<Bagder> that's probably why
2978<Bagder> I'll make a breakpoint and check wherefrom
2979<Zagor> how do you get it to two? there's only one in scroll_thread()
2980<Bagder> well, lcd_update() gets called twice ;-)
2981<dwihno> :)
2982<dwihno> Bagder - master of debugging
2983<dwihno> We are all tiny grasshoppers in his presence
2984<Bagder> first: tree.c:155 and then at tree.c:366
2985<Zagor> right
2986<Bagder> showdir() should probably not do lcd_update()
2987<Zagor> how sily
2988<Zagor> ll
2989<dwihno> :D
2990<dwihno> You guys are <----- this -----> great coders :)
2991<dwihno> Just idling in this channel, I learn lots of stuff ):
2992<dwihno> :)
2993* Bagder blushes
2994<Bagder> Zagor: you fix?
2995<Zagor> yup
2996<Bagder> fine
2997* dwihno learned more about regexp today :)
2998<Bagder> I think this is the flicker
2999<Bagder> regexes rock
3000* dwihno starts the drumroll - will the LCD get fix0red...
3001<edx> lol
3002<Zagor> try this build, guys: http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz
3003* dwihno fetches
3004<elinenbe|sleepin> morning all.
3005--- elinenbe|sleepin is now known as elinebe|class
3006<Bagder> morning elinenbe
3007<Bagder> much better in the simulator at least
3008<elinebe|class> what have you guys been working on last night?
3009<Zagor> you sim guys, when will we get player icons in the simulators? :)
3010<Bagder> can you fix us a good closeup picture showing them?
3011<dwihno> IT'S FIXED!
3012<dwihno> DAMN!
3013<Zagor> nope :)
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3015<Bagder> and an api that uses them
3016<dwihno> YOU RULES! :D
3017<edx> hmm the icons.. hm
3018<Bagder> *cool*
3019<dwihno> the button management is smoother too, I think... Am I right?
3020<Bagder> dwihno: so it looks fine now when scrolling?
3021<alkorr> zagor, is it you in charge of FAT ?
3022<Zagor> yes
3023<dwihno> Bagder: not a single flicker! :D
3024<dwihno> Bagder: it's ... perfect! :D
3025<dwihno> MY PRECIOUS! :D
3026<Zagor> dwihno: nice
3027<alkorr> there is two way to handle FAT
3028<alkorr> mirroring FAT or just select the active FAT
3029<alkorr> you use which one ?
3030* dwihno would like a sorting which places dirs first, and then the files ;)
3031<elinebe|class> did you guys ever figure out the .ejz thing?
3032<Bagder> elinebe|class: nope
3033<alkorr> that sorting by type could be easily done if you prefix string with one byte
3034<Bagder> we use qsort, we don't have to prefix, we have structs
3035<Bagder> its just that the sort function ignores type atm
3036<alkorr> you mean you use a comp function pointer given to qsort ?
3037<Bagder> yeps
3038<Bagder> and it compares names only
3039<alkorr> oh yeah
3040<alkorr> more dynamic
3041<alkorr> you could give to user the choice for kind of sorting :)
3042<Bagder> indeed
3043<Zagor> alkorr: actually, I use neither method. I use the first fat, always :)
3044<Zagor> i sense a bug here :)
3045<alkorr> okay, i suggest to use the active FAT on the first FAT
3046<alkorr> that way, Windows knows the other FAT are not mirrored
3047<Zagor> yes. still it shouldn't be much of a problem until we start writing on the disk
3048<alkorr> yes i know, it is only a suggestion if you don't like to be forced to mirror the fats
3049<Zagor> yes, i think it's a good suggestion
3050<alkorr> there is a way to be sure that Windows and jukebox are synched
3051<alkorr> to use the active fat
3052<alkorr> but to tell the truth, i seldom see one fat partition use this mode.
3053<alkorr> never i should say :)
3054<Zagor> this is a little black magic. the specs say one thing, but what does windows actually do?
3055<alkorr> i just know this option exists
3056<alkorr> the only difficult part is that : can windows change the active fat without our demand ?
3057<alkorr> huh, i mean : can Windows selects another active FAT without our demand
3058<dwihno> alkorr: Today is a good day - the LCD glitch is removed! :D
3059<alkorr> glitch ?
3060<dwihno> yeah
3061<alkorr> what does that mean ?
3062<dwihno> like visible vsync's on the recorder
3063<dwihno> a double lcd_update()
3064<dwihno> so the scrolling is now flawless (up&down)
3065<Zagor> dwihno: how does the side scroll look?
3066<dwihno> Lemme check
3067<alkorr> strange, i remember this word but i cannot find its meaning in my dictionnary :/
3068<alkorr> ok, understood
3069<dwihno> Zagor: lookín' good!
3070<alkorr> it remembers me some old story when i had a 8086 ;)
3071<Bagder> Zagor: about the 1.1 release, you could point out how cool our playlist support is already ;-)
3072<dwihno> But the directory reading still appears a bit broken
3073<Zagor> dwihno: that's really strange. I can't repeat that no matter what I do
3074<dwihno> Hmm... Weird :/
3075<dwihno> I'll let you have a look at my unit when I get to stockholm in july if the problem hasn't been solved by then ;)
3076<alkorr> Zagor: my suggestion is just that at booting, if jukebox sees the FAT partition is mirroring, it sets first FAT active.
3077* Bagder sense another devcon ;-)
3078<dwihno> play should also allow entering a directory/play a file
3079<dwihno> YAY! DEVCON! :D
3080<Zagor> Bagder: yeah, i'm raving a bit about that :)
3081<Zagor> alkorr: yes
3082* Bagder is going home, see ya
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3084<Zagor> i'm thinking if we should wait for the recorder ata fix or release 1.1 without it
3085<dwihno> the scroll is so darn cool!
3086<dwihno> Kudos to the scrolly ppl!
3087<alkorr> Zagor: no problem, just a recall for future
3088<Zagor> dwihno: hehe, glad you like it
3089<dwihno> :D
3090<dwihno> I'm not mentioned in the credits :¨¨(
3091* dwihno plays some sokoban and gets happy again
3092<alkorr> dwihno: watch the jukebox power ;)
3093<dwihno> yay! :)
3094<alkorr> huh can you really watch the power bar ?
3095<Zagor> no
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3097<alkorr> ok a future TODO...
3098<Zagor> ooh, matsl!
3099<dwihno> matsl = ?
3100<Zagor> a coworker of mine
3101<dwihno> secret undercover archos employee!
3102<dwihno> secret undercover archos employee!
3103<dwihno> secret undercover archos employee!
3104<dwihno> :)
3105<edx> cool co-workers only talk via irc :)
3106<matsl> Hi there! Is there a todo-list for the player somewhere?
3107<Zagor> matsl: not really, we make it up as we go along :)
3108<matsl> ok. Any suggestion for a small first hack?
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3111<alan> ???
3112<dwihno> matsl: do you have an archos too? :)
3113<matsl> jupp
3114<alan> matsl: your domain ?
3115<dwihno> Darn, 75% of contactor are cool ;D
3116<dwihno> I guess Zagor has promoted it widely ;)
3117<Zagor> dwihno: what's wrong with the others? ;)
3118<dwihno> Zagor: they are secret undercover dudes and girls!
3119<matsl> Domain???
3120<alan> i mean your skills
3121<alan> are you electroncians, programmer, etc.
3122<matsl> Programmer
3123<alan> you bought a jukebox because of Vjörn ? :)
3124<alan> s/V/B
3125<Zagor> matsl: i can't think of any small isolated things. what we need right now (after 1.1 release) is improved UI.
3126<matsl> OK
3127<Zagor> we need to get back to viewing the id3 tag while playing, simpler volume adjustment, next/prev track etc.
3128<alan> BTW, what is the status of Rockbox with Recorder ? oh yes cannot play with mpeg (missing MAS stuff)
3129<dwihno> Patience, grasshopper ;)
3130<Zagor> alan: yes. also it seems the rec6/10 ata problem is not completely solved yet. plmirc can't get his started.
3131<Zagor> we haven't been able to reach linus since lunch, so we don't know what he did. his build is the only one that works for plmirc...
3132<alan> just a question, the ATA addresses are all 3xx for Rec6/10 and 2xx for Rec20 ?
3133<Zagor> no, just the CONTROL and STATUS
3134<alan> okay, it is the problem
3135<Zagor> ??
3136<alan> all the address must be 3xx or 2xx. There must be no mixing of 3xx and 2xx addresses
3137<Zagor> no, but that's ok. there is only 3 or 2.
3138<matsl> OK. Bye folks. See you later.
3139<Zagor> the rest of the registers use 1
3140<Zagor> bye mats
3141<alan> oh yes
3142<alan> ALTSTAT you mean
3143<alan> sorry :)
3144<Zagor> yes
3145<alan> yes you are totally right
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3148<jedix> hey guys
3149<Zagor> hi
3150<jedix> whats up?
3151<Zagor> preparing for 1.1 relase. fixed some playlist issues
3152<jedix> if nibbles isn't implemented I'm not going to be happy
3153<Zagor> nibbles?
3154<miah> i'd rather see features than games..
3155<miah> games == waste of time
3156<miah> listening to music while riding the T == good thing
3157<Zagor> the current player is definitely T material, with the playlist support
3158<dwihno> :D
3159<dwihno> yeah, especially the recorder build ;D
3160<Zagor> the recorder is getting games because we're all waiting for the MAS code to be ready
3161<dwihno> A little poll... What kind of ear/headphones do you guys have?
3162<Zagor> and, face it, the recorder is too fun to leave alone :)
3163<Zagor> Sony EX70
3164<miah> i have those sony wrap arounds
3165<Zagor> big poll :)
3166<dwihno> :)
3167<dwihno> yeah
3168<dwihno> :)
3169<dwihno> I'm impressed, are you impressed?
3170<dwihno> I'm Mike Levy, for amazing discoveries!
3171<dwihno> *do the hand thing in the air*
3172<dwihno> those earphones look really weird Zagor
3173<miah> when rockbox has equilizer support (like the archos does, adjust bass, trebil, etc) then i'll be happy..
3174<Zagor> they rule
3175<Zagor> miah: it already has
3176<miah> oh? its implemented now?
3177<miah> i havnt looked since 1.0
3178<dwihno> it's in the menu
3179<Zagor> 1.0 had it. "sound" in the menu.
3180<miah> nice
3181<miah> ah, imust have missed it
3182<dwihno> Zagor: how expensive were the phones?
3183<miah> damn, boards of canada has a trippy site
3184<alan> very very hot, i swear ;////
3185<alan> cu
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3187<Zagor> dwihno: something like 500 SEK i think
3188<dwihno> Whoa
3189<dwihno> what makes them so special?
3190<dwihno> I'm quite satisfied with my sony blahblah-something for 350 SEK
3191<Zagor> the sound, simply... they have awesome sound
3192<dwihno> Well, you must let me test them on DEVCON, mkay? :)
3193<Zagor> yeah, so was I until I tried these
3194<Zagor> hehe, sure
3195<edx> what headfones are they
3196<edx> (product name..)
3197<Zagor> Sony EX70
3198* dwihno has some sony stuff for biking and sennheiser HD 570 for "comfortable" listening
3199<edx> ah those.. for 40 Euros.. (or where thos diffrerent ones)
3200<dwihno> Zagor: how is the bass?
3201* dwihno listens much to evil dance beats
3202<Zagor> dwihno: the best. seriously. I keep it at ~10% setting on the recorder, and that's plenty
3203<dwihno> :)
3204* edx needs those headphones
3205<dwihno> Darn... My laptop purchase will leave me broke for a decade :)
3206<Zagor> hehe
3207<dwihno> But at least, I can play q3a :)
3208<dwihno> I was thinking about making a HD swap (laptop <--> archos) :)
3209<Zagor> hehe
3210<miah> heh
3211<dwihno> then I realized I need to get a bigger disk
3212<dwihno> 30 gig is not enough
3213<miah> i'd much rather have 30gigs in my laptop
3214<dwihno> yeah
3215<dwihno> I'll get a 40 gig disk for the archos
3216<dwihno> and keep all music in that
3217<dwihno> then I'll keep all code and stuff in the laptop
3218<miah> the only thing i hate about archos is FAT32
3219<miah> and defraging over USB
3220<Zagor> seriously, fat32 isn't such a bad choice for this kind of device.
3221<miah> yea
3222<miah> i know, but fragmentation sucks ass
3223<Zagor> it's plain and simple, no fuss no special features
3224<Zagor> fragmentation, with 3+ meg files?
3225<miah> yep
3226<miah> most of my mp3's are 6-10megs
3227<Zagor> you must be doing a LOT of back-and-forth:ing...
3228* dwihno agrees to Zagor
3229<miah> not really, but i havnt defrag'd in over a year, and i can tell you, songs skip now
3230<dwihno> they do?
3231<dwihno> what model do you have?
3232<miah> 6000
3233<dwihno> ah, mkay
3234<Zagor> weird
3235<miah> but after i defrag, its all happy
3236<dwihno> What amount of buffer is it in the 6000?
3237<miah> 2meg i think
3238<Zagor> yep, same as the others
3239<dwihno> defrag:ing once a year is something you do when you're at your friend's place (Zagor, hehe) with an USB2 interface ;)
3240<miah> i encode all my mp3's with vbr, and alot of the songs i listen to are really long (lots of autechre, squarepusher, boards of canada, and other strangeness)
3241<miah> so they're long
3242<miah> and big files.. the songs i have that are 128k and small (punk stuff) playback pretty well, i dont have many problems with them
3243<Zagor> miah: you could try running an analysis on it and see. i still thing it sounds odd to get fragmentation problems on this big files
3244<miah> yea
3245<miah> i make sure to run scandisk/norton disk doctor on it every now and then
3246<Zagor> i never do that :)
3247<edx> Zagor: Are those yours: MDR-EX70LP
3248<Zagor> yup
3249<edx> cool %0$
3250<edx> 50
3251<edx> .. hmm gotta have them.. i use the standrd archos headphones right now..
3252<dwihno> they remind me of earplugs :)
3253<dwihno> ouch
3254<dwihno> you need to replace those headphones!
3255<edx> with the volume control they really suck LOL
3256<edx> i know
3257<dwihno> My boss got my archos headphones ):
3258<dwihno> :)
3259<dwihno> He said "the sound quality is good"
3260<dwihno> Then I just smiled
3261<edx> guess i'll change the style of music i listen to if i change my headphones haha
3262<Zagor> gotta go. see you tomorrow, guys!
3263<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting")
3264<dwihno> I should go too
3265<dwihno> But I need to fix some code first
3266<dwihno> Otherwise I'll have to spend time tomorrow to get in synch with the coding
3267--- jedix is now known as jedi|lunch
3268<edx> dwihno: the bass gets down to 6 HZ with those head phones :)
3269<dwihno> whoaaaaaa :D~~
3270* dwihno is looking forward to DEVCON, so I can test Zagor's headgear
3271<edx> they really must rock
3272<edx> i'll order them today i guess hehe
3273<dwihno> you rich pants dude! :)
3274<dwihno> How long is the delivery?
3275<dwihno> I'd like to hear your opinion about the headphones too :)
3276<edx> i dont knwo .. a few days (delviery)
3277<dwihno> I want my laptop! :(
3278<dwihno> They haven't even confirmed the order yet :(
3279<edx> heh i want to buy head phones for at least half a year now..
3280<edx> your laptop rocks ;)
3281<edx> hehe
3282<dwihno> It sure will rock - for at least three years
3283<edx> hehe
3284<dwihno> Stupid of me to think so, huh ;) ?
3285<edx> nah.. i guess it will last at least two years in a really acceptable speed and it'll certainly still be "enough" after 4 years.. :)
3286<dwihno> yeah :)
3287<dwihno> Then I'll sell my soul once again and get a new one ;)
3288<edx> hehe
3289* dwihno looks in the crystal ball... I see... A P6 6,2GHz, 2 gigs of RAM and 2tb disk :)
3290<edx> 4 gigs ram.. my guess :)
3291<dwihno> hehe ;)
3292<dwihno> 40 gig of RAM in the box, 40 gigs of RAM, if one would fail or starting to bail, then there'll be 39 gigs of RAM in the box
3293<dwihno> ;)
3294<edx> hhe
3295<edx> NICK edxUSER OKE60 "" "irc.dal.net" :edx
3296<edx> lol
3297<edx> geht schon so ein bisschen LOL
3298<dwihno> Was machst du?
3299<edx> wtf..
3300<edx> wrong channel window
3301<edx> i am sorry
3302<edx> im currently writing a proxy program and im debugging :)
3303<dwihno> ah
3304<dwihno> Aber was machst du?
3305<-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
3306<dwihno> Hast du der Ober heute gesehen?
3307--> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
3308<edx> lol..
3309<Bagder2> moo
3310<edx> "der Ober" whats that supposed to mean
3311<edx> hi bagder
3312<dwihno> howdy ho, mr bagder
3313<dwihno> mr. bagdad :)
3314<edx> Ober.. there is a word.. lkike "waiter
3315<edx> "
3316<edx> ?
3317<dwihno> yup :)
3318<edx> then it is:
3319<edx> "Hast du den Ober heute gesehen"
3320<edx> hehe
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3322<dwihno> Me + grammars = BAAAD combination
3323<dwihno> One house, two house :)
3324<edx> heh
3325<edx> one sheep two sheep.. that works out ;)
3326<dwihno> :)
3327<dwihno> two sheeps! :;)
3328<edx> two sheep.
3329<Bagder2> too cheap
3330<dwihno> haha
3331<edx> (anyone *really* English here?)
3332<edx> btw.. just found the Sony headphonse for 38Euros..
3333<Bagder2> been a while since wavey was around
3334<edx> about to buy them :)(
3335* Bagder2 's mp3sync-script rocks
3336<Bagder2> keeps my archos synced with my local mp3 collection
3337<edx> hehe
3338<dwihno> how does it work?
3339<dwihno> edx: cool! buy me some and I'll wear a "Felix kick arse" sweater all summer, deal? :)
3340<Bagder2> it checks if all my local mp3s are on the archos, and if I removed any local ones I should remove on the archos too
3341<edx> hehehe..
3342<dwihno> Bagder2: so the local copy is a master?
3343<Bagder2> yes
3344<Bagder2> exactly
3345<dwihno> I'm --> <-- this close to finish off for the night
3346--> mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox
3347--- jedi|lunch is now known as jedix
3348* edx has just ordered his Sony MDR-EX70LP :)
3349<dwihno> :D
3350<dwihno> Now you're a copy of Zagor!
3351<dwihno> * edx is now known as Zagor-edx
3352<edx> LOL
3353<dwihno> Darn
3354<dwihno> I want one of those too
3355<dwihno> When I get rich
3356--- edx is now known as edx|Zagor
3357<dwihno> WHOA!
3358<edx|Zagor> you get a laptop for 2500 Bucks... be quiet :)
3359--- edx|Zagor is now known as edx
3360<dwihno> Welcome to the twilight zone!
3361<edx> lol
3362<dwihno> Welcome, to the edx zone! For the next 20 seconds, he will control everything you see and hear ;)
3363<edx> *beeb*
3364* Bagder2 felt controlled
3365* edx controlled bagder... and dwihno
3366<dwihno> Where am I? Who are you?
3367<dwihno> And why am I wearing pantyhoses? :)
3368<ironi> hehe
3369<ironi> hi there
3370<dwihno> hellojs ironi
3371<dwihno> dokthar irouni
3372<ironi> dwihno: one of those situations again, huh?
3373<dwihno> <-- masters the persian language
3374<dwihno> tavalod moborak!
3375<ironi> but
3376<ironi> t they'r ejust $49.95
3377<ironi> not very expensive
3378<ironi> i still think my headphones rulle the planet when it comes to price/performance/cool design
3379<ironi> Koss PortaPro
3380<dwihno> My Sennheiser HD570 pumps the jam quite nicely too ;D
3381<ironi> but they are not really portable
3382<ironi> and sennheiser cant deliver base
3383<dwihno> these babies can :)
3384<ironi> btw, if you want earplugs, you should consider the koss ksc-35
3385<ironi> they're cheap but supposedly MEAN
3386<ironi> uhm i mean like not earplugs but on the ear phones without bygel =)
3387<ironi> dwihno: let me win you over: http://www.ljudman.se/portapro.htm
3388<ironi> or perhaps http://www.ljudman.se/ksc35.htm
3389<ironi> now i gotta rest, im kinda sick
3390* ironi is gone, *sick* [l/on p/on]
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3394<-- elinebe|class has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby")
3395--- edx is now known as edx|eatz
3396--- dwihno is now known as dw|gone0r
3397--- Bagder2 is now known as Bagder
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3399--- edx|eatz is now known as edx
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3401--> dfg (~prv@209.166.235.91) has joined #rockbox
3402--> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox
3403<g003y> sup alll?
3404<-- jedix has quit ("and then, just like that, he dissapeared")
3405<g003y> dang my playlists never play. They load, but never really play.
3406<-- edx has quit ("good night")
3407<-- ironi has quit ("zzz <k!15b8>")
3408<-- dfg has quit ("Client Exiting")
3409<g003y> anyone awakre?
3410<g003y> awake that is
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3412--> motiv01 (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP291.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox
3413<elinenbe> hello there
3414<PsycoXul> no, hello here
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3417<g003y> hello all
3418<g003y> acck....
3419<g003y> what did they do to the current tree?
3420--> motiv01_ (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP243.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox
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3422--- dw|gone0r is now known as dwihn0r
3423* adi|home screams softly into the night
3424--> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox
3425* dwihn0r sings the rockbox anthem
3426--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
3427<dwihn0r> Hellojs Bagder
3428<Bagder> morning
3429--- dwihn0r is now known as dwihno
3430<Bagder> bad apache
3431* Bagder rebuilds
3432* Bagder installs
3433--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
3434<Bagder> morning Linus
3435<Linus> morning
3436<Linus> Did you find out anything about the .ejz files yesterday?
3437<Bagder> no
3438<Bagder> but we fixed the flicker
3439<Linus> oh. too many redraws?
3440<Bagder> yeps
3441<Bagder> one extra
3442<Bagder> looks a lot better now
3443<Linus> great
3444<dwihno> :D
3445<dwihno> Looks awesome!
3446<Linus> How is sokoban?
3447<dwihno> Kickass! :)
3448<Linus> R00lz!
3449<dwihno> The key code needs an overhaul though
3450<dwihno> http://robotron.ton.tut.fi/love_on_video/koto_-_jabdah_(formel_eins).mpg
3451<Linus> the key code? You mean the bouncing?
3452<dwihno> bouncing?
3453<Linus> or what did you mean?
3454<adi|home> anyone played with the rockbox on the recorder yet?
3455<dwihno> <-- did
3456<dwihno> hmm
3457* Bagder did too
3458<dwihno> on the recorder, the button processing code is fishy, sometimes when I press once, it does the button action twice etc.
3459<adi|home> did you find that the reboots seem to happen even with the dc in?
3460<Linus> dwihno: that's contact bouncing
3461<Bagder> reboots?
3462<Bagder> I got no reboots
3463<adi|home> the battery issue
3464<adi|home> when i have the dc in, i still seem to get reboots
3465<Linus> that sucks
3466<Linus> adi|home: that _could_ be a grounding problem
3467<adi|home> hmmm.. ok
3468<adi|home> ideas on a solution?
3469<g003y> hmph... all these recorder types.
3470<g003y> :)
3471<Linus> g003y: I take it you're a Player owner... :-)
3472<g003y> yeah
3473<Linus> me too. I have both :-)
3474<g003y> though wish I had that nice bitmap screen :D
3475<Bagder> g003y: you cvsup'ed recently?
3476<g003y> a few hours ago
3477<g003y> but my build is all jacked now
3478<Bagder> oh
3479<Linus> g003y: See it from the bright side, you can at least play music on your box.
3480<Bagder> I had a go a the include issue yday
3481<g003y> haheheehhe... just wish I could get the playlist to actually work
3482<g003y> I noticed that
3483<Bagder> we should dig into that problem of yours
3484<Bagder> Björn played an all-disk playlist yesterday on his player fine
3485<g003y> I see the includes but now time.h begs for machine/somthing.h
3486<Bagder> uh
3487<g003y> bagder - I think I'm still doing something wrong with the playlists
3488<Bagder> how did you make your playlist?
3489<g003y> tried a number of ways so far.
3490<g003y> 1) Vi
3491<g003y> 2) Winamp
3492<g003y> 3) Sonqiue
3493<g003y> 4) a script on the file system
3494<Bagder> because staring only yesterday we support windows drive names and backslashes
3495<Bagder> i also believe that the file names are case sensitive
3496<g003y> well I tried the 17th compile from work today, but no luck
3497<Bagder> ok
3498<g003y> that was with a drag n drop from the drive to winamp
3499<g003y> I know PsycoXul was having probs before, but he hasn't been back to confirm if it started working for him.
3500<Bagder> well, I guess Zagor must show you a version working for him and then you can try that
3501<Bagder> I have no player, I can't play at all ;-)
3502<dwihno> Linus: contact bouncing?
3503<g003y> yeah a working example would be nice.
3504<Bagder> dwihno: yes, when one keypress kind of "jumps" on the contact so that it gets registered as two or more
3505<g003y> thats been resolved?
3506<dwihno> Bagder: I never have that problem with the archos firmware :)
3507<Bagder> dwihno: no, because they "debounce"
3508<adi|home> did i miss any of the core apis getting changed?
3509<g003y> archos has all the docs the bastards :D
3510<adi|home> namely, the rectangle functions?
3511<Bagder> cheaters ;-)
3512<Bagder> adi|home: they changed?
3513<adi|home> i don't know
3514<Bagder> hm
3515<adi|home> suddenly boxes isn't working
3516<Bagder> I might be responsible
3517<adi|home> what was 'screensaver'
3518<adi|home> it works.. but not properly
3519<adi|home> what didyou change?
3520* dwihno will write a polite e-mail to the archos dudes asking for docs and how they do the battery stuff
3521<Bagder> did it use the XOR feature?
3522<adi|home> nope
3523<Bagder> ok, then I don't think its me ;-)
3524<Bagder> so what doesn't work?
3525<adi|home> im trying to figure out what went wrong
3526<adi|home> but the'shrinking' boxes aren't displaying
3527<Bagder> it works in my simulator right now
3528<adi|home> really?
3529<Bagder> yeps
3530<adi|home> the boxes grow and shrink?
3531<Bagder> yeps
3532<adi|home> when did you last do a cvs update?
3533<Bagder> just now
3534<adi|home> ill update again
3535<adi|home> i noticed it because the firmware on the website doesn't do it properly
3536<Bagder> the daily one?
3537<adi|home> yup
3538<adi|home> btw.. how do i remove a file from cvs?
3539<Bagder> odd
3540<adi|home> screensaver.[ch] don't need to be there anymore
3541<Bagder> rm file; cvs rm file
3542<Bagder> cvs ci file
3543<g003y> ahhh... current compiles for me again after a cvs update
3544<Bagder> goodie
3545<adi|home> god i love the world cup
3546* adi|home smiles happily
3547<g003y> oh crap.... I think I spoke too soon on current. crap :/
3548--> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
3549<Zagor> hey there
3550<Bagder> g003y: what fails then?
3551<Bagder> hey Zagor, g003y has problems with playlists
3552<g003y> well I do a clean get.
3553* dwihno has no problems with rockbox
3554<g003y> and it says it can't find machine/types.h
3555<dwihno> other than the fishy filename thing
3556<g003y> I used to do the -I/usr/include hack on the makefile
3557<Bagder> uh, remove that machine/types thing
3558<g003y> but now you have all the includy stuff going on
3559<Bagder> I'll do it now
3560<g003y> it's in time.h
3561<g003y> which was added recently
3562<Bagder> I know, gone now ;-)
3563<g003y> cool
3564<g003y> why did you add it ?
3565<g003y> can recorder tell time?
3566<g003y> :D
3567<Zagor> yes it can
3568<Bagder> we use that include file, that's why I added it
3569<g003y> but the player can't right?
3570<Zagor> but we haven't implemented it yet
3571<Zagor> right
3572<g003y> damn.... another reason to buy the recorder
3573* adi|home screams
3574<Bagder> I made a find and grepped out all libc headers we used and made sure I provided all them
3575<adi|home> bagder
3576* Bagder looks at adi|home
3577<adi|home> there is NO way you have a upto date cvs
3578<adi|home> boxes isn't working proper
3579<adi|home> im tellign you
3580<g003y> hahahahahahahahaha
3581* adi|home is _not_ insane
3582<Bagder> I can't but to cvs up
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3584<g003y> zagor: can you provide me with a smallish example working m3u you've been using?
3585<Zagor> adi|home: boxes work for me in sim at least
3586<g003y> I would like to verify if I'm an idiot
3587<adi|home> Zagor.. you have a recorder?
3588<Zagor> yes
3589<adi|home> test the latest daily build
3590<adi|home> check the boxes
3591<Zagor> g003y: F:\Film/Soundtrack - Cast Away (End Credits) - Silvestri.mp3
3592<Zagor> Always (Song Duet).mp3
3593<Zagor> Reunion.mp3
3594<adi|home> it _doesnt'_ work
3595<Zagor> oops, stripped leding slashes :)
3596<Zagor> adi|home: ok, will test
3597<adi|home> thank you :)
3598<Zagor> g003y: what is the problem you get?
3599* adi|home places the pistol to his tempel
3600<adi|home> go ahead.. tell me im crazy...
3601<adi|home> i dare you
3602<g003y> well playlist appears to load, but then just sits at the <no artist> <no title>
3603* adi|home whinces.... blinks.. turns the gun around
3604<adi|home> barrel end has the bullets
3605<Zagor> adi|home: i fixed dynamic IRC page yesterday, so you only have to add the log file now, not update the page
3606* adi|home make a mental note
3607<adi|home> sweet
3608<adi|home> i have to update the log from this weekend
3609<Bagder> the playlist playing doesn't update the screen to anything, does it?
3610<Bagder> g003y: and you name your file whatever.m3u ?
3611<g003y> blah.m3u
3612<Zagor> Bagder: no it doesn't
3613<Bagder> g003y: it saying <no artist> indicates that it doesn't think it is a playlist
3614<g003y> hmmm
3615<g003y> ok
3616<g003y> well I must've f'd up somehow then
3617<Zagor> g003y: is it lowercase?
3618<g003y> the whole filename?
3619<Linus> Zagor: I forgot your NewPlayer this morning
3620<Bagder> the extension
3621<g003y> zagor: the whole filename is lowercase
3622<Zagor> Linus: bah! no chicken for you!!! :)
3623<Zagor> g003y: strange
3624<Linus> Zagor: Pleeeeze. Have some chicken with me....!
3625<g003y> zagor: I know... thats why I think it's user error still
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