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2 | --> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.204) has joined #rockbox | ||
3 | --- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ | ||
4 | --- Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20 | ||
5 | --- You are now known as adi|home | ||
6 | --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
7 | <elinenbe> hello there | ||
8 | <elinenbe> here is a little something hard drive mp3 player related... | ||
9 | <elinenbe> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=70&e=4&cid=70&u=/cn/20020612/tc_cn/935202 | ||
10 | --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
11 | <Bagder> moo | ||
12 | <adi|home> AHHHH | ||
13 | <adi|home> Bagder: is back!!! | ||
14 | * adi|home runs away screaming | ||
15 | * Bagder stands tall and watches adiamas run away | ||
16 | --> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
17 | <Bagder> hey Z | ||
18 | <Zagor> hey all | ||
19 | <Zagor> everyone in the office is looking at the world cup... /me can't be bothered. | ||
20 | * Bagder agrees | ||
21 | <Zagor> Bagder: could we change the changelog file to changes-<date>.txt? apparently MSIE refuses to display .log files in the browser. at least I fail. | ||
22 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
23 | <Bagder> noooo :-) | ||
24 | <Zagor> for some reason I can't even persuade Opera to do the right thing :( | ||
25 | <Bagder> m m m mozilla | ||
26 | <Zagor> yeah, but there's the rest of the world too :) | ||
27 | * Bagder takes up the fight against the world | ||
28 | <Bagder> ok, so exactly the same only .txt instead of .log? | ||
29 | <webmind> hmm | ||
30 | <webmind> isnt that the server ? | ||
31 | <webmind> that gives out a wrong mime format? | ||
32 | <Zagor> no, the mime type is correct. MSIE ignores mime types. | ||
33 | <webmind> owh.. jolly :) | ||
34 | <Zagor> Bagder: yes please | ||
35 | <Bagder> coming right up | ||
36 | <Bagder> there | ||
37 | <webmind> u could make a symlink called: msie-change-<date>.txt | ||
38 | <webmind> :) | ||
39 | <Zagor> works in MSIE now | ||
40 | <Bagder> i-am-a-looser-gimme-that-ie-link.txt | ||
41 | <Zagor> Opera still won't display it. very strange | ||
42 | <webmind> opera6? | ||
43 | <webmind> opera does weird things | ||
44 | <Bagder> Zagor: you should check for .log *or* .txt for now | ||
45 | <Zagor> ok | ||
46 | <Bagder> Zagor: the older ones are still .log | ||
47 | <Zagor> opera mostly does The Right Thing, sometimes more than you want... | ||
48 | <webmind> uhm yeah | ||
49 | <webmind> ans sometimes completely not | ||
50 | <Zagor> don't confuse "won | ||
51 | <Zagor> ah, never mind | ||
52 | * adi|home pokes you in the head | ||
53 | <adi|home> so i never got a full answer.. what type of files are accpectable playlist? | ||
54 | <adi|home> .m2u? | ||
55 | <adi|home> m3u rather | ||
56 | <Bagder> .m3u | ||
57 | <Bagder> full path names | ||
58 | <adi|home> anything else? | ||
59 | <Bagder> nope | ||
60 | <Bagder> lf or crlf separated | ||
61 | <adi|home> right.. | ||
62 | <adi|home> okay... | ||
63 | <adi|home> grrrrr... 2 world cup games on at once.. this is tough | ||
64 | --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
65 | <Zagor> hey linus | ||
66 | <adi|home> and both games i wanna see :( | ||
67 | <Linus> moo | ||
68 | <adi|home> zag.. did you see the FAQ? | ||
69 | <adi|home> I put the stuf in from you /. email | ||
70 | <adi|home> wanted to know if things make sense | ||
71 | <Zagor> adi|home: nice. i'll take a look | ||
72 | <adi|home> k | ||
73 | <adi|home> let me know if there is anything we're missing | ||
74 | <Zagor> yup | ||
75 | <adi|home> not that i will put it in.. but go ahead and tell me ;) | ||
76 | <Linus> Zagor: don't you think the FAQ should have the same blue background? | ||
77 | <adi|home> id agree | ||
78 | <adi|home> if you want.. i can purty it up and put it into html | ||
79 | <adi|home> can keep an html and text version if you like | ||
80 | <Zagor> hmm, i'd like to keep it one file | ||
81 | <Zagor> i'll try to make a perl hack to format the txt file into a html page | ||
82 | <adi|home> if your going to.. can you also toss in an auto index? | ||
83 | <Zagor> yup | ||
84 | <adi|home> all questions will be formated with Q#. on the first left col. | ||
85 | <Zagor> good | ||
86 | <adi|home> so just pull that and then link them to the actual question | ||
87 | <Zagor> and a clear line btwn questions | ||
88 | <adi|home> *nods* | ||
89 | <adi|home> all answers are A#. as well | ||
90 | <adi|home> and if you are really bored.. ;) | ||
91 | <adi|home> you could parse for http lines and make them links ;0 | ||
92 | <Bagder> he should | ||
93 | <adi|home> oh.. and last thing | ||
94 | <adi|home> i could _really_ use central air here.. so when ever you want to come over and put it in | ||
95 | <adi|home> id be ever so greatful | ||
96 | <Zagor> A18 should probably not be so Gatesy. wav is uncompressed simple PCM data. you're probably thinking of WMA files? | ||
97 | <adi|home> nah.. i wsa just being a dick :) | ||
98 | <adi|home> i fix :) | ||
99 | <Zagor> the answer is good, for WMA | ||
100 | <Zagor> :) | ||
101 | <adi|home> okay.. fixed | ||
102 | <Linus> I had my Recorder running the gdb stub for almost a whole day yesterday, connected to the charger | ||
103 | <Linus> and when i switched back to the original firmware, the battery meter was completely screwed up... | ||
104 | <Zagor> ooh. for starters, or after several minutes too? | ||
105 | <Linus> it is always empty when i boot it up, and then shows a normal setting | ||
106 | <Bagder> weeirdo | ||
107 | <Linus> and after a while it shows empty again | ||
108 | <Bagder> btw, the buttons are too sensitive | ||
109 | <Zagor> and stays empty? | ||
110 | <Linus> Zagor: i don't know. I had it in my pocket most of the time | ||
111 | <Linus> Bagder: bounces? | ||
112 | <adi|home> define too sensative | ||
113 | <Bagder> possibly, I just noticed that when I wanted to get into a directory | ||
114 | <Bagder> I often ended up going down two levels at once | ||
115 | <Linus> i have the same experience with the player | ||
116 | <Linus> we need debouncing of some kind | ||
117 | <Bagder> yeps | ||
118 | <Hadaka> hmm, why do the buttons bounce - does the hardware actually do that? | ||
119 | <Zagor> yes | ||
120 | <adi|home> ahh.. that just may be our timing Bagder | ||
121 | <Linus> most definitely | ||
122 | <Zagor> it's a standard problem for all buttons | ||
123 | <Hadaka> not on the arcade buttons I've dealt with ;) | ||
124 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
125 | <Zagor> that's because they added debounce, just like we need to | ||
126 | <Hadaka> hardware debounce? | ||
127 | <Zagor> we have to do it in software | ||
128 | <Hadaka> well ok, just as long as it allows me to press a button for 1/60th of a second and still get the press in | ||
129 | <Zagor> hehe. 60 Hz is quite a heavy load. I'd say 30 is more reasonable | ||
130 | <Zagor> oh well, we'll just test and adjust | ||
131 | <Hadaka> yeah | ||
132 | <adi|home> what exactly is debounce? | ||
133 | <Zagor> detection and suppression of (very) short double-presses | ||
134 | <adi|home> ahh.. k | ||
135 | <Zagor> it's due to there being noise in the button connection, so it sometimes electrically flip-flops several times per intended keypress | ||
136 | <Linus> adi|home: we compensate for the button bouncing by reading the buttons several times | ||
137 | <adi|home> *nods* | ||
138 | <adi|home> grrrrr.. screen redraw on th recorder is still not right | ||
139 | <Zagor> no? what happens? | ||
140 | <adi|home> well.. i have a short filename | ||
141 | <adi|home> and i have long filenames | ||
142 | <adi|home> all is fine till i scroll and bring the short file as the last one on te screen | ||
143 | <adi|home> it seems we aren't clearing the line before we draw the new text there | ||
144 | <adi|home> so you have remaining garbage | ||
145 | <Zagor> testing... | ||
146 | <adi|home> im tracking it now | ||
147 | <Bagder> try to repeat it in the simulator | ||
148 | <adi|home> i am now | ||
149 | <adi|home> its in the simulator that im getting it | ||
150 | <Bagder> aha | ||
151 | <Zagor> ok | ||
152 | <adi|home> what aha? | ||
153 | <Bagder> nothing, I just thought you saw in on target | ||
154 | <Bagder> s/in/it | ||
155 | <Zagor> I can't repeat the problem. I have a short file in the last line, no problem | ||
156 | <adi|home> you need to have the short file _not_ on the screen to begin with.. hold on.. ill get a screen shot for you | ||
157 | <Zagor> i didn't. it was song #15 | ||
158 | <adi|home> ill try a recompile | ||
159 | <adi|home> maybe i have an old obj file | ||
160 | <Zagor> adi|home: Q28 should read "is this legal" not "is that legal" | ||
161 | <adi|home> k | ||
162 | <Zagor> both "that" in Q28 should be "this" | ||
163 | <Zagor> A29 will fail parsing, since it contains blank lines | ||
164 | <adi|home> nope.. still getting it.. hmmm.. ill try and update again. | ||
165 | <adi|home> http://orion.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/shot.png | ||
166 | <adi|home> look at that | ||
167 | <Zagor> A30 should probably say something like "The first release is called 1.0 because it has a basic working feature set, that works and has no known bugs. That is what 1.0 means." | ||
168 | <Zagor> adi|home: looking. odd that I can't repeat it. | ||
169 | <Zagor> ah, got it. | ||
170 | <Zagor> the previous file has to scroll first, then when I scroll down I get the bug | ||
171 | <adi|home> ahh okay | ||
172 | <adi|home> so im not insane ;) | ||
173 | <Zagor> well I wouldn't rule that out just yet... | ||
174 | <adi|home> hehehe | ||
175 | * Bagder hears noise from the lab | ||
176 | <Bagder> there's a tv there | ||
177 | <Zagor> yeah, sweden scored a goal | ||
178 | <Bagder> I suspected that | ||
179 | <Linus> Yieeehaaaaa!!!!! | ||
180 | <adi|home> heheheh | ||
181 | <adi|home> yup | ||
182 | <adi|home> just saw replay | ||
183 | <adi|home> im watching the rong damn game | ||
184 | <Zagor> hehe | ||
185 | <adi|home> i want to watch england | ||
186 | <adi|home> and i want to watch argentina lose | ||
187 | <Bagder> wooo, playlist icon | ||
188 | * adi|home nods happily | ||
189 | <adi|home> we have it, why not use it? | ||
190 | <adi|home> FAQ fixed | ||
191 | <Zagor> yay, neato | ||
192 | <Bagder> did anyone try to play a playlist yet? | ||
193 | * adi|home is all about 1-3 line code additions ;) | ||
194 | <adi|home> hehe nope... | ||
195 | <Zagor> Bagder: nope :) | ||
196 | <adi|home> i don't want my recorder to explode ;) | ||
197 | <Bagder> haha | ||
198 | <adi|home> if someone gets me a nice new compile ill test it... | ||
199 | <Bagder> hehe, the recorder will happily ignore it | ||
200 | <adi|home> i havent built my cross compiler yet | ||
201 | <adi|home> ahh.. then nope... | ||
202 | <adi|home> okay.. bleary eyes.. and im still on call for another 3 hrs.. im off to bed... | ||
203 | <Bagder> night adi | ||
204 | <adi|home> if you have any toher FAQ changes.. post them.. ill get them in the (my) morning | ||
205 | <Zagor> looks good for now. thanks! | ||
206 | <Bagder> I'm not satisfied with the scroll | ||
207 | <Zagor> ok? | ||
208 | <Bagder> too much blanks | ||
209 | <Zagor> yes, I agree. looking at that now | ||
210 | <Bagder> neato | ||
211 | <Zagor> when the last char leaves the left side, the first should come in on the right. no "empty line" | ||
212 | <Zagor> or do you want it even tighter? | ||
213 | <Bagder> exactly | ||
214 | <Bagder> I could do with just X spaces in between | ||
215 | <Bagder> where X would be 2-3 | ||
216 | <Bagder> I mean between the last and the first | ||
217 | <Zagor> i think that might sometimes be confusing, as it wouldn't be obvious where the start is | ||
218 | <Zagor> i'll do the simple fix first | ||
219 | <Bagder> I think it is an improvment as it'll make more text readable at all times | ||
220 | <webmind> hmmm | ||
221 | <webmind> should any 60gb 2.5" hd work in a jukebox studio ? | ||
222 | <webmind> or 40gb | ||
223 | <Zagor> if it's 9.5mm, yes | ||
224 | <webmind> nice.. | ||
225 | <Zagor> just check the power requirements. the toshiba 60gig draws very much power at startup | ||
226 | <webmind> hm k | ||
227 | <webmind> woulkd take forever to fill though i think | ||
228 | <Zagor> it's not a problem, but it might make a difference in battery life | ||
229 | <webmind> uhuh | ||
230 | <webmind> and batterylife is already decreasing | ||
231 | <Bagder> Greg Haerr seems to be "mr Microwindows" | ||
232 | <Zagor> huh? | ||
233 | <Zagor> oh | ||
234 | <Zagor> cool | ||
235 | <Bagder> yeps | ||
236 | <Bagder> heh, Greg is good ;-) | ||
237 | <Zagor> yeah | ||
238 | <Zagor> yay, the new server hardware has arrived | ||
239 | <Bagder> yay! | ||
240 | <Zagor> dual Athlon MP 1600+ | ||
241 | <Bagder> 1600MHz, aren't they called 1800 or something? | ||
242 | <Zagor> ah, yes | ||
243 | <Zagor> those model names are confusing :) | ||
244 | <Bagder> indeed | ||
245 | <Zagor> uh, my scroll fix didn't look so good on the player... | ||
246 | <Bagder> ata_read_sectors() could be renamed to ata_read_sector() I guess and always read one | ||
247 | <Zagor> nah we'll just fix it instead | ||
248 | <Bagder> so you plan to use other than 1 too then | ||
249 | <Zagor> umm, maybe not. only the fat32 driver uses ata and that always just reads 1. | ||
250 | <Bagder> that's my point, if the reading works good today, then we don't need anything else but 1 | ||
251 | <Zagor> agreed | ||
252 | <Linus> Zagor: does the ATA read sector loop need to poll the DRQ bit for each sector? | ||
253 | <Zagor> ummm, don't remember | ||
254 | <Linus> it doesn't today | ||
255 | <Zagor> let's just skip the loop, we never read more than one anyway | ||
256 | <Linus> i'm fixing the bug Greg found | ||
257 | <Linus> we night gain some performance by reading several sectors at once | ||
258 | <Linus> might | ||
259 | <Linus> i am a moron | ||
260 | <Zagor> umm, yes. but our code doesn't... | ||
261 | <Linus> we do wait for DRQ | ||
262 | <Linus> I'll just add the buf += 512 and it should work | ||
263 | <Bagder> += SECTOR_SIZE | ||
264 | <Bagder> right? | ||
265 | <Linus> yeah | ||
266 | <Zagor> duh, i suck | ||
267 | <Bagder> hey, Anja loved Rockbox... she could play tetris ;-) | ||
268 | <Zagor> hehe | ||
269 | <Bagder> although the not playing music part was a bit hard to explain ;-) | ||
270 | <Bagder> "yes, this is an mp3 player but it can't play mp3" | ||
271 | <Zagor> haha | ||
272 | <Bagder> there are three threads right now, isn't it? with the new one being the lcd scroll? | ||
273 | <Zagor> yes. i'm writing a response to his mail :) | ||
274 | <Bagder> goodie | ||
275 | --> adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox | ||
276 | <adam> heh | ||
277 | <adam> X11 session from one Linux box to the Linux craptop | ||
278 | <adam> == amusing | ||
279 | <adam> prepped for the great LUG today | ||
280 | <adam> :P | ||
281 | <Bagder> :-) | ||
282 | <Bagder> what LUG is this? | ||
283 | <adam> I got a back ache when I brought my massive box last time | ||
284 | <adam> heh | ||
285 | <adam> a local LUG in Minneapolis | ||
286 | <adam> pretty unofficial ;p | ||
287 | <adam> we don't even have a website | ||
288 | <adam> I think anyone who says Linux has no use on laptops is a total dimwit | ||
289 | <Zagor> well whay else would you use? | ||
290 | <adam> they generally don't require one use some damned 'touchpad' 90% of the time | ||
291 | <Zagor> nintendo? | ||
292 | <adam> I'd generally prefer a big hulking tower for Linux | ||
293 | <adam> but I guess two reasons I'm REALLY liking it on this laptop | ||
294 | <adam> the network segment Windows 9x basically screwed up totally with the crappy pegasus chipset USB adapter | ||
295 | <adam> linux complains, but doesn't die. | ||
296 | <adam> which is a huge improvement | ||
297 | <adam> second off, this thing is old and slow. Linux makes it very usable. Windows does not. | ||
298 | <adam> 4:30 AM | ||
299 | <adam> my sanity apparently exited when I first moved into x86 | ||
300 | <adam> moving from a 68000 to a 68040 then to an 800mhz PIII :P | ||
301 | <Bagder> amiga? | ||
302 | <adam> heh, nope | ||
303 | <adam> amusing. running this xmms from a box on the other end of the home, displaying it an xserver on this laptop, then playing the sound via an icecasted stream. | ||
304 | * adam needs to become less lazy about setting up NFS | ||
305 | --> plmirc (plmirc@152.190.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #Rockbox | ||
306 | <adam> hi | ||
307 | <plmirc> Hi at all | ||
308 | <plmirc> just a very little question | ||
309 | <plmirc> hmm... | ||
310 | <Zagor> sure | ||
311 | <adam> why not a big interesting question? | ||
312 | <plmirc> why mean the message ata: -4 | ||
313 | <Bagder> it means you're using old software ;-) | ||
314 | <Zagor> it means the ata code bugs for recorder | ||
315 | <plmirc> I'm too hurry ? | ||
316 | <Zagor> try the latest daily build | ||
317 | <plmirc> it is this one I tried | ||
318 | <Linus> plmirc: what kind of recorder do you have? | ||
319 | <plmirc> archos20020612.ajz | ||
320 | <plmirc> I have the 10 G version | ||
321 | <Zagor> which recorder model do you have? | ||
322 | <Bagder> *plopp* | ||
323 | <Linus> i think we have found our man! | ||
324 | <Zagor> interesting! we have only tested with recorder20 so far. you can help! | ||
325 | <plmirc> oupsss | ||
326 | <Linus> plmirc: you are our hero! | ||
327 | <plmirc> ciao !!! | ||
328 | <Bagder> our man | ||
329 | <plmirc> really ? | ||
330 | <adam> heh | ||
331 | <plmirc> but why explain me ! | ||
332 | <Linus> yes! we have been looking for a guy with an older recorder | ||
333 | <plmirc> YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you the first enjoyed !! | ||
334 | <Linus> plmirc: are you willing to try a test version? | ||
335 | <plmirc> YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you, I'm the first enjoyed !! | ||
336 | <adam> ... | ||
337 | <plmirc> Yes I want ! | ||
338 | <Linus> hang on... | ||
339 | <plmirc> what do you want I do ? | ||
340 | <Linus> can I mail it to you? | ||
341 | <plmirc> y orginal firmware is the 1.24 | ||
342 | <plmirc> yes | ||
343 | <plmirc> My mail is | ||
344 | <adam> oh well. | ||
345 | * adam hits the hay | ||
346 | <adam> good night | ||
347 | <plmirc> p_lm@hotmail.com | ||
348 | <Linus> night | ||
349 | <-- adam has quit ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Atari 2600 today!") | ||
350 | <Zagor> night adam | ||
351 | <plmirc> night | ||
352 | <Linus> ok, plmirc. Hang on. | ||
353 | <plmirc> I wnat to say before continue that I really love your idea to create an open firmware for the archos mp3 player/recorder | ||
354 | <plmirc> And i really really want to encourage you !! | ||
355 | <Bagder> :-) | ||
356 | <plmirc> The World is needed men like you !!! | ||
357 | <Zagor> hehe. thanks | ||
358 | <Linus> thanks! | ||
359 | <plmirc> excuse my english.... | ||
360 | <Zagor> where are you from? | ||
361 | <plmirc> I'm french | ||
362 | <Zagor> ok | ||
363 | <plmirc> and you ? | ||
364 | <Zagor> we (the core team) are swedish | ||
365 | <plmirc> Congratulation for your football demonstration !! | ||
366 | <Zagor> but there are english, french and american contributors too | ||
367 | <Zagor> hehe, yeah they seem to be happy about it :) I'm not much into football myself. | ||
368 | <Linus> Go Sweden Go! | ||
369 | <plmirc> every body is into football when it is the world cup .. isn't it ? | ||
370 | <Linus> plmirc: i have mailed the test code | ||
371 | <Zagor> well some of us prefer hacking :) | ||
372 | <plmirc> oki | ||
373 | <Linus> plmirc: but i'm not sure how it works, i accidentally included some other non-working changes... | ||
374 | <plmirc> I check my mail box right now | ||
375 | <Linus> (the MAS3587F code) | ||
376 | <plmirc> yeah i have it | ||
377 | <Linus> good luck, and be careful out there... :-) | ||
378 | <plmirc> there is a big bad virus in that ?? | ||
379 | <Linus> :-) | ||
380 | <plmirc> no i'm kidding | ||
381 | <plmirc> but why it is so small | ||
382 | <Linus> surprised? | ||
383 | <plmirc> the official has a double size | ||
384 | <Linus> well, we are not done yet. | ||
385 | <plmirc> Are you limited by the size ? | ||
386 | <Linus> The limit is about 250Kb I believe | ||
387 | <plmirc> I connect my archos mp3 recorder 10 G version | ||
388 | <Linus> but we don't know for sure | ||
389 | <Linus> *boooom* | ||
390 | <plmirc> I copy your file.... | ||
391 | * Bagder awaits | ||
392 | <Linus> (drum roll) | ||
393 | <plmirc> yes i looked for this word, thx ! ;) | ||
394 | <plmirc> and....... | ||
395 | <plmirc> and ..... | ||
396 | <plmirc> and .. | ||
397 | <Bagder> *silence* | ||
398 | <plmirc> ok i deconnect and turn it off now | ||
399 | <Zagor> the suspense is KILLING me! :-) | ||
400 | <Linus> even more that the football game | ||
401 | <Zagor> and to think people found the world cup match exciting | ||
402 | <plmirc> hmmmm | ||
403 | <Linus> than | ||
404 | <Linus> don't say that | ||
405 | <plmirc> rockbox vs cvs is on the screen this time during a longer time | ||
406 | <plmirc> and yes i can now view all my files | ||
407 | <Linus> YIPPIE!!!! | ||
408 | <Bagder> *kewl* | ||
409 | <plmirc> what are you changing ? | ||
410 | <Zagor> YAY | ||
411 | <plmirc> what did you change ? | ||
412 | <Linus> The address encoding of the ATA registers is different in your version | ||
413 | <Bagder> so we need to autodetect that somehow | ||
414 | <Linus> I suspected this, and you made it possible to verify | ||
415 | <Linus> You saved my day! | ||
416 | <plmirc> I can go in and out directory whith ouot any problem ! | ||
417 | <plmirc> Good Job ! | ||
418 | <Linus> Don't try to play anything... | ||
419 | <Bagder> plmirc: now press the menu key and play tetris ;-) | ||
420 | <plmirc> oki | ||
421 | <plmirc> it is possible ? | ||
422 | <Linus> yes | ||
423 | <plmirc> no i don't beleive it | ||
424 | <Linus> no, playing mp3 is not possible | ||
425 | <plmirc> let's try ... | ||
426 | <Linus> yet | ||
427 | <Linus> OK. now we need a way to autodetect this | ||
428 | <plmirc> YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OU OU OU OU OU YEAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS WORKING I PLKAY TETRIS ON MY ARCHOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
429 | <Zagor> plmirc: press a menu key, then you can play tetris | ||
430 | <plmirc> WOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU §!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
431 | <Linus> maybe we can do the same as the master/slave detection? | ||
432 | * Bagder laughs | ||
433 | <plmirc> YES UES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
434 | <Zagor> Linus: what is the difference? | ||
435 | <plmirc> ou !!! | ||
436 | <plmirc> whowww !! it is fast | ||
437 | <plmirc> yeah !!!!!!!!!!! | ||
438 | <plmirc> it marvellous !!! | ||
439 | <plmirc> I love it | ||
440 | <plmirc> I made 0 line but I love it ! | ||
441 | <Linus> Zagor: what do you mean? | ||
442 | <Zagor> what's the difference in ATA adressing? | ||
443 | <Linus> The CONTROL/ALT_STATUS is at 0x61000306 in older versions, 0x61000206 in newer | ||
444 | <Linus> How lame | ||
445 | <Zagor> and it doesn't work to adress 306 in newer versions? | ||
446 | <Linus> no. | ||
447 | <Zagor> :( | ||
448 | <Linus> I wonder why they have changed the address encoding in only one specific version? | ||
449 | <Zagor> rec20 is obviously a major update | ||
450 | <Linus> They must have screwed up | ||
451 | <Linus> I mean, why have it at 206 in Player, change it to 306 in the recorder10, only to change it back in recorder20??? | ||
452 | <Linus> plmirc: can you be around for more tests in the future? | ||
453 | <Zagor> ah, you're right | ||
454 | <Zagor> I wonder what the recorder6 has | ||
455 | <Linus> 306 i guess | ||
456 | <Linus> the difference is probably only the HD | ||
457 | <Zagor> yse | ||
458 | <Zagor> yes | ||
459 | <plmirc> linus: yes I' ll be | ||
460 | <Linus> good. we need you | ||
461 | <Linus> Zagor: do you think we should autodetect or configure? | ||
462 | <Zagor> i'm not sure | ||
463 | <Zagor> it's a fourth target... | ||
464 | * Bagder hrmpfs | ||
465 | <Linus> if it's only the ATA I think we should autodetect | ||
466 | <Zagor> still, if we auto-detect this why wouldn't we auto-detect the player lcd? | ||
467 | <plmirc> just a little question.. again.. but songs can be played on the player version and not on the recorder version.... it will take a long time before recorder can play song too ?? Are you near of this result with recorder version ? | ||
468 | <Linus> I wonder if there are players around with 306 addressing=? | ||
469 | <Linus> plmirc: it's not far away | ||
470 | <Zagor> I think we'd have heard about that | ||
471 | <plmirc> oki thx linus | ||
472 | <Zagor> Bagder: was that hrmpf an opinion of some sort? | ||
473 | <Linus> Zagor: their firmware use variables for the ATA register addresses | ||
474 | <Zagor> yes of course. and for lcd function pointers | ||
475 | <Linus> "of course"? | ||
476 | <Bagder> Zagor: yes, I'd prefer autodetect of the ATA | ||
477 | <Zagor> so should we then autodetect the lcd too? | ||
478 | <Bagder> not necessarily | ||
479 | <Zagor> ...since? | ||
480 | <Linus> no we can't autodetect the lcd | ||
481 | <Bagder> the lcd differences are so huge | ||
482 | <Zagor> sure we can, just like the stock firmware does | ||
483 | <Linus> ah, the ond/new player lcd | ||
484 | <Linus> old | ||
485 | <Bagder> ah, that | ||
486 | <Zagor> yes | ||
487 | <Linus> i thought you meant the recorder..... | ||
488 | <Bagder> me too ;-) | ||
489 | <Bagder> I could very well have an player-LCD auto detect too, yes | ||
490 | <Linus> that would be nice | ||
491 | <plmirc> There is an other function which can be interesting, but maybe it is too early to think about it right now, can I tell it to you now or I have to wait before speaking about new function ? | ||
492 | <Linus> shoot! | ||
493 | <plmirc> shoot ? | ||
494 | <Zagor> go ahead and tell us | ||
495 | <plmirc> ok | ||
496 | <plmirc> sometimes when I'm listening a song I want to listen an other one in a other directory just after the ont which playing | ||
497 | <plmirc> it is possible to select the next song which will be playing during an other song is playing ? | ||
498 | <plmirc> it is like a playlist but in real time | ||
499 | <plmirc> I don't know if you know what I mean ? | ||
500 | <plmirc> and if you think it is really interesting ? | ||
501 | <Linus> Like the queue option in the Archos firmware? | ||
502 | <plmirc> yes but during a song is playing | ||
503 | <plmirc> not pre-determinated like a winamp playlist song | ||
504 | <Linus> Tha Archos firmware has exactly that, so I want that for Rockbox as well | ||
505 | <Zagor> yeah, that will probably come sooner or later | ||
506 | <plmirc> it is like when your listen a mp3 whith winamp and you select the next dropping the file in the queue | ||
507 | <plmirc> well.. it was the idea of the day, if you need me just call me... | ||
508 | <plmirc> going to sleep... but my computer stay online | ||
509 | --- plmirc is now known as plmirczzZZ | ||
510 | <Linus> night | ||
511 | <Zagor> Linus: is the mutex atomic? | ||
512 | <Linus> probably not | ||
513 | <Linus> why? | ||
514 | <Zagor> i was thinking about what greg said. since we use the queue code from both threads and interrupts, shouldn't the mutex be interrupt protected? | ||
515 | <Linus> the queue code doesn't use the mutex | ||
516 | <Zagor> ah, ok then | ||
517 | <Linus> it disables the irq | ||
518 | <Zagor> good | ||
519 | --- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch | ||
520 | --- plmirczzZZ is now known as plmirc|zzZZ | ||
521 | --- Linus is now known as Linus|meeting | ||
522 | --- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor | ||
523 | <-- dwihno|gone has quit (Remote closed the connection) | ||
524 | <Bagder> brb | ||
525 | <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox | ||
526 | --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
527 | --- plmirc|zzZZ is now known as plmirc | ||
528 | <plmirc> I just wake up and I made a dream.. I play Tetris on my archos with an other opposant through usb cable, it will be possible ? | ||
529 | <Zagor> no, usb is out of our control | ||
530 | <plmirc> snif :'( | ||
531 | <Zagor> it is only for harddisk access | ||
532 | <plmirc> there is the digital IN/out port !!!! | ||
533 | <Zagor> yes, it's a little boring | ||
534 | <Zagor> yes but that's only for sound data. we can't access it directly either | ||
535 | <plmirc> i know it is possible to have information from ear port | ||
536 | <Zagor> no, only to the port. not from. | ||
537 | <plmirc> it is the way of remote control | ||
538 | <Zagor> yes, but it's only one-way | ||
539 | <plmirc> hummm ok.... hmmm . there 's any port again... | ||
540 | <plmirc> :'( one-way, no way... | ||
541 | <plmirc> yeah !!! I found !!!!!!!! | ||
542 | <plmirc> why not use the line-in port for the one-way information and the ear port for the other-way information ??? | ||
543 | <Zagor> the ear port is the only port we can control. line is directly connected to the sound chip | ||
544 | <plmirc> dawn !!! | ||
545 | <plmirc> shit !! | ||
546 | <Zagor> now now, no foul languange necessary | ||
547 | <plmirc> sorry... :p | ||
548 | <Bagder> Zagor: so when's the server upgrade happening? | ||
549 | <Zagor> i'm thinking about doing it tomorrow morning, to minimise the impact | ||
550 | <Bagder> sounds wise | ||
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552 | <-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | ||
553 | <elinenbe> I was jsut reading thorough the logs.my recorder firmware is 1.17ia. I still get the ATA error with the dail builds | ||
554 | <Bagder> elinenbe: what recorder type? | ||
555 | <Zagor> elinenbe: the new ata code isn't in the daily yet. it was just a test. | ||
556 | <elinenbe> it ia a recorder 6GB | ||
557 | <Bagder> elinenbe: yes, that once will need a fix | ||
558 | <Bagder> that one | ||
559 | <elinenbe> have you figured out the problem with this version? | ||
560 | <Zagor> ok, so at least we know 6 and 10 are the same | ||
561 | <Bagder> yes | ||
562 | <elinenbe> send me the firmware and I will try it out. | ||
563 | <Bagder> Zagor: do you have any good idea on how to autodetect? | ||
564 | <Zagor> we could probably do something in the line of our master/slave detect. test the two addresses and see who responds correctly | ||
565 | <Zagor> elinenbe: are you prepared to test? | ||
566 | <elinenbe> I am always prepared. | ||
567 | <elinenbe> I am using chatzilla here though, so I have no DCC transfers. | ||
568 | <Zagor> no problem, i'm putting it on the web server | ||
569 | <elinenbe> you have to support the OSS movement. | ||
570 | <Zagor> the force is strong with you... :) | ||
571 | <elinenbe> I see the change logs have added a CR or a LF to the end. This makes windows users happy. | ||
572 | <Bagder> actually, the extension was changed and that's the only diff ;-) | ||
573 | <Zagor> it's just silly windows browsers that care about filenames instead of mime types | ||
574 | <elinenbe> true. It was changed from .log to .txt | ||
575 | <elinenbe> that is some stupid shit | ||
576 | <Zagor> that is msie for you... | ||
577 | <elinenbe> just tell me when it [the recorder firmware] is up on the web page. I will go to town with it. | ||
578 | <Bagder> it doesn't play any music yet though ;-) | ||
579 | <elinenbe> understandable... who needs to play mp3s anyway | ||
580 | <Zagor> tetris works, that's all you need :) | ||
581 | <elinenbe> true. | ||
582 | <Zagor> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz | ||
583 | <Zagor> go go go | ||
584 | <Zagor> noooo, won't work. stop | ||
585 | <Zagor> now | ||
586 | <Zagor> my fingers are quicker than my brain :) | ||
587 | <elinenbe> so, should I try it? | ||
588 | <Zagor> yes | ||
589 | <Zagor> i'll try it on my rec20 too | ||
590 | <Zagor> works for me. how about you? | ||
591 | * Bagder crosses his fingers | ||
592 | <elinenbe> Paraguay is now up 3-1 on Slovenia -- 3 goals in the 2nd half | ||
593 | <elinenbe> "ata: -4" | ||
594 | <elinenbe> :( | ||
595 | <Bagder> ough | ||
596 | <Zagor> hmm, ok new version. try again. | ||
597 | <Bagder> was that an autodetect attempt? | ||
598 | <Zagor> yes | ||
599 | <Zagor> worked for me, but I set one bit wrong | ||
600 | <elinenbe> on the player why dont you use the up down buttons to scroll through the directory? and the left right to go into/ out of the directory. | ||
601 | <elinenbe> it seems more logical | ||
602 | <Zagor> because it doesn't have up and down buttons. | ||
603 | <Zagor> people have used left/right (which are actually called -/+) for ages, they will scream bloody murder if we change that | ||
604 | <Zagor> look at the comparison and you'll see the player doesn't use the same cursor navigation concept as the recorder | ||
605 | <elinenbe> true. I forgot. I used to have a player, but I got one of the first recorders. | ||
606 | <Zagor> Linus|meeting: what were the addresses? you said 0x06100306 and 0x06100206 but the "old" code uses 0x06200206 | ||
607 | <Zagor> this last version gives me an ata: -4 too | ||
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609 | <edx> hi | ||
610 | <Bagder> hey | ||
611 | <elinenbe> hey there. | ||
612 | <edx> *fixing win32 code finally now..* | ||
613 | <Bagder> coolio | ||
614 | * elinenbe starts yelling "E-D-X" at the top of his lungs and wakes the neightbors! | ||
615 | <edx> lol | ||
616 | <elinenbe> after scrolling and playlist are added, just the playmodes need to be added and we almost have equal functionality to the original player! | ||
617 | <elinenbe> that is quite impressive. | ||
618 | <Zagor> yeah, it's gone quickly | ||
619 | <edx> heh has Archos ever contacted you Bjorn? | ||
620 | <Zagor> not about rockbox, no | ||
621 | <edx> hehe | ||
622 | <edx> whether they even know..? | ||
623 | <Zagor> they wanted my help developing the multimedia jukebox last summer, though... | ||
624 | <edx> cool | ||
625 | <elinenbe> are you serious? | ||
626 | <elinenbe> did you help? | ||
627 | <edx> this multimedia thing rocks. | ||
628 | <edx> how come they chose you? :) | ||
629 | <elinenbe> that multimedia thing has been delayed more than 6 months! | ||
630 | <Zagor> yup. but they bailed out when they saw my hourly rates :) | ||
631 | <edx> lol | ||
632 | <Zagor> they had seen my "dissecting the archos" page and the linux driver | ||
633 | <edx> ah | ||
634 | <elinenbe> well, at least they know where to look | ||
635 | <elinenbe> myabe they should have highered someone who request higher rates. | ||
636 | <Zagor> hehe | ||
637 | <elinenbe> there stuff is "quite" buggy | ||
638 | <elinenbe> I dont have a player so I have yet to test the recent functionality, but have you heard of any crashes -- (as inthe archos crashes where you have no clue what is going on) | ||
639 | <Zagor> no, we've had very little problems | ||
640 | <elinenbe> that is quite excellent. | ||
641 | <Bagder> I suspect that it isn't being used very heavily yet | ||
642 | <Zagor> yes, that's nice. we found and nailed a rather nasty bug just before release, so we've had a bit of luck too | ||
643 | <Bagder> when the playlists come, I think that'll improve | ||
644 | <Zagor> yup | ||
645 | <elinenbe> I was wondering if you would be able to have a "high-activity" buffering mode and a "low-activity" buffer mode? | ||
646 | <Zagor> are they playlists ready for random, bagder? | ||
647 | <Zagor> elinenbe: why? | ||
648 | <Bagder> Zagor: yes they are prepared, the code is all there | ||
649 | <elinenbe> by that I mean you can have redundant disk reads? like if you are running with the player. | ||
650 | <Zagor> we'll have to do lots of testing first, to see how (and even if) we can improve skipping | ||
651 | <elinenbe> then it could read the disk more often... and verify the data or try and reread the data, or just struggle with whatever data it is reading | ||
652 | <Zagor> Bagder: can we randomise the playlist while playing it? | ||
653 | <elinenbe> what will happen on the player if I shake the hell out of it while it is playing... for a few minutes? | ||
654 | <Zagor> (sorry haven't read the code very thoroughly) | ||
655 | <Bagder> Zagor: sure | ||
656 | <Zagor> elinenbe: i don't know :) | ||
657 | <Zagor> Bagder: so if I add a "randomize" entry to the menu, we're pretty much set? | ||
658 | <Bagder> Zagor: pretty much, we might want one option to toggle "shuffle" and perhaps another one for reshuffle | ||
659 | --> plmirc (plmirc@152.190.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #Rockbox | ||
660 | <Zagor> Bagder: umm, how do we turn off random? | ||
661 | --- plmirc is now known as plmirc|zzZZ | ||
662 | <Bagder> uh | ||
663 | <Bagder> ;-) | ||
664 | <Bagder> we'd need to reload the playlist | ||
665 | <Bagder> to get the correct order back | ||
666 | <Zagor> well, we don't have to support "un-randomizing" right now | ||
667 | <edx> hmm Bagder... | ||
668 | <Bagder> yes? | ||
669 | <edx> Bagder: lcd_init..what's that | ||
670 | <edx> I cant use that :P | ||
671 | <Zagor> starting the scroll thread | ||
672 | <edx> ah ok | ||
673 | <edx> then i can.. | ||
674 | <edx> sorry ;) | ||
675 | <Zagor> hehe | ||
676 | <elinenbe> I think in time a "The" filter should be added in... | ||
677 | <edx> what are the params of create_thread.... ? | ||
678 | <elinenbe> where files that start with "The" the "The" is ignored... | ||
679 | <Bagder> create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size) | ||
680 | <Bagder> function pointer, stack pointer, stack size | ||
681 | <edx> hmm ok | ||
682 | <Zagor> elinenbe: hehe | ||
683 | <Bagder> we need a generic "filter" to present song names shorter | ||
684 | <Bagder> I might have a go at someting like that soonish | ||
685 | <Zagor> it's an 1.2 feature anyway | ||
686 | <Bagder> yeah | ||
687 | <Bagder> but even 1.2 features need to be written ;-) | ||
688 | <Zagor> hehe, yup | ||
689 | <edx> Bagder.. what do you do with the stack pointer? | ||
690 | <Bagder> nothing | ||
691 | <edx> good | ||
692 | <edx> me neither lol | ||
693 | <Bagder> ;-) | ||
694 | <Bagder> pthreads usually have 2MB stack anyway | ||
695 | <edx> i use the stk_size variable though... | ||
696 | <Bagder> don't | ||
697 | <edx> what is init_threads supposed to do btw.. (why not?) | ||
698 | <Bagder> you're likely to use more stack than the target | ||
699 | <edx> ok | ||
700 | <Bagder> so the stack size will be tuned for target performance and may not be good enogh for hsot | ||
701 | <edx> hmmm with the linux simulator.. dont you get "mpeg_play undefined" or something like that? | ||
702 | <Bagder> no | ||
703 | <edx> ah | ||
704 | <edx> ok i see | ||
705 | <Bagder> I have a stub for it | ||
706 | <edx> you defined it | ||
707 | <edx> (ill just copy..) | ||
708 | <Bagder> there's a init_threads() too in the x11 sim | ||
709 | <edx> and then.. whats yield? | ||
710 | <Bagder> yield is: "now, someone else might want to run a while" | ||
711 | <Bagder> we have cooperative multitasking | ||
712 | <edx> aha | ||
713 | <Bagder> each thread must themselves let go | ||
714 | <edx> uhmm... where is it defined (and do i need a stub for it?) | ||
715 | <Bagder> you implement the thread layer | ||
716 | <Bagder> you need to provide yield | ||
717 | <edx> aha | ||
718 | <edx> i still dont get what its supposed to do | ||
719 | <Bagder> edx: you should make sure that only one thread at a time is running | ||
720 | <edx> and where is it defined for the target? | ||
721 | <Bagder> and when the thread calls yield(), another thread may start executing | ||
722 | <edx> ok.. start or continue? | ||
723 | <Bagder> yield() is in kernel.c | ||
724 | <edx> k | ||
725 | <Bagder> continue | ||
726 | <Bagder> create_thread() starts threads | ||
727 | <Bagder> all threads must call yield() | ||
728 | <edx> ok no problem then. | ||
729 | <edx> is there a stop_thread or somehting alike? | ||
730 | <Bagder> only when a thread calls yield will any other thread get to run | ||
731 | <Linus|meeting> No | ||
732 | --- Linus|meeting is now known as Linus | ||
733 | <Bagder> no stopping of threads, no | ||
734 | <edx> and why not? :) | ||
735 | <Bagder> we don't need it | ||
736 | <edx> (the scroll thread is always running..?.. yes) | ||
737 | <Bagder> if the need ever comes up, we'll add it | ||
738 | <Bagder> yes | ||
739 | <Linus> Watch my new cool commit | ||
740 | * Bagder switches to his rockboxcvs box | ||
741 | <Bagder> now come to papa | ||
742 | <Bagder> coolness | ||
743 | <Bagder> now, does it work? ;-) | ||
744 | <Zagor> Linus: bah, mine is a lot smaller | ||
745 | <Zagor> but it still doesn't work. | ||
746 | <Bagder> haha | ||
747 | <Linus> Mine works | ||
748 | <Zagor> for rec6? | ||
749 | <Linus> yes | ||
750 | <Linus> oh, sorry, i havent tried that | ||
751 | <Zagor> give it to elinenbe | ||
752 | <Linus> does he have a 0x306 box? | ||
753 | <Zagor> rec6, yes | ||
754 | <Bagder> yes | ||
755 | <Bagder> elinenbe: here? | ||
756 | <Zagor> why would the data stay on the bus when we have read lots of instructions inbetween the accesses? | ||
757 | <Linus> so you know that rec6 has 0x306 address encoding? | ||
758 | <elinenbe> I am here. | ||
759 | <Zagor> at gives ata: -4 anyway, which indicates it | ||
760 | <elinenbe> but leaving for class soon | ||
761 | <elinenbe> I have a rec6 | ||
762 | <Linus> because we don't execute code behind the ATA buffers | ||
763 | <Bagder> elinenbe, pick a recorder version here http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/ | ||
764 | <elinenbe> Badger: that version works. | ||
765 | <Linus> Zagor: it is not about data staying on the CPU data bus, it's about data staying on the ATA bus | ||
766 | <Bagder> *ding* | ||
767 | <Bagder> neato | ||
768 | <elinenbe> I can scroll through the songs! | ||
769 | <elinenbe> great! | ||
770 | <Zagor> nicers | ||
771 | <elinenbe> that is nice. | ||
772 | <Bagder> coolers boys | ||
773 | <Zagor> i still think we should combine the master/slave and version check :) | ||
774 | <Zagor> linus version is bloooooated ;) | ||
775 | <Bagder> haha | ||
776 | <Linus> What is bloated about it? | ||
777 | <Bagder> he still has 1 - 0 for making it work ;-) | ||
778 | <Zagor> just kidding, i did it like this: | ||
779 | <Zagor> /* check for master/slave on both control addresses */ | ||
780 | <Zagor> for ( control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR1; | ||
781 | <Zagor> control_addr !=(void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2; | ||
782 | <Zagor> control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2 ) { | ||
783 | <Zagor> that brings down the change to about 10 lines | ||
784 | <elinenbe> nice. can you get the scrolling faster? :) | ||
785 | <Zagor> elinenbe: go into the menu and set the speed yourself | ||
786 | <elinenbe> well, laters. congradualtion on the fine effort. | ||
787 | <edx> what does create_thread return on failure / success? | ||
788 | <Bagder> I want page down/up in three browser | ||
789 | <elinenbe> very nicely done. | ||
790 | <Bagder> tree | ||
791 | <Zagor> Bagder: yes, but that requires multiple keys which we don't support yet | ||
792 | <elinenbe> how about how soon it scrolls? -- like as soon as you put the curson on the filename. | ||
793 | <Linus> gotta go. bye! | ||
794 | <Bagder> ah | ||
795 | <Bagder> see ya Linus | ||
796 | <Zagor> elinenbe: that can't be changed yet | ||
797 | <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox | ||
798 | <elinenbe> I think a highly configuralbe firmware with some good default options will be awesome. | ||
799 | <Zagor> yep. it's called Rockbox :) | ||
800 | <elinenbe> much like the iriver/riovolt 250 firmwares... | ||
801 | <elinenbe> well, you know what I mean... options for everything. | ||
802 | <Zagor> i know | ||
803 | <edx> When one thread is started (begin_thread).. then all other threads are suspended, right? | ||
804 | <elinenbe> the first level of tetris is too fast :) | ||
805 | <elinenbe> hehe... | ||
806 | <elinenbe> later. | ||
807 | <Zagor> edx: yes | ||
808 | <Zagor> that's how it should be | ||
809 | <edx> ok | ||
810 | <edx> Zagor: what does beginthread return on success / failure? | ||
811 | <Bagder> it doesn't fail | ||
812 | <Zagor> beginthread? that's not in the api is it? | ||
813 | <Bagder> no | ||
814 | <edx> mine can fail. | ||
815 | <Bagder> then it can exit ;-) | ||
816 | <Zagor> Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0xc5) in reply type 0x0! | ||
817 | <Zagor> i still get a lot of X errors, bagder | ||
818 | <Zagor> X error in rockboxui: | ||
819 | <Zagor> X Error of failed request: 0 | ||
820 | <Zagor> Major opcode of failed request: 0 () | ||
821 | <Zagor> Serial number of failed request: 0 | ||
822 | <Zagor> Current serial number in output stream: 197 | ||
823 | <Bagder> weird I didn't get them at all yesterday | ||
824 | <Zagor> try running it remotely, that might trigger it | ||
825 | <Zagor> or else it's my starwin32 that's fooling around | ||
826 | <Bagder> I can't right now, my X redirect is messed up | ||
827 | <Zagor> ok | ||
828 | <Zagor> also I get an X beep for every keypress I do. very odd. | ||
829 | <Bagder> righ, I get that too at home | ||
830 | <Bagder> no idea why | ||
831 | <edx> jipie! reduced errors to one... | ||
832 | <Bagder> way to go | ||
833 | <edx> not with this one | ||
834 | <edx> *done* | ||
835 | <Bagder> cool, you are fast | ||
836 | <Bagder> will you remove the intptr_t from dir.h too? | ||
837 | <Zagor> and the .rc file | ||
838 | <edx> ... the rc file.. that was your mistake i think.. it had always been in the cvs... | ||
839 | <Bagder> but it doesn't compile | ||
840 | <Bagder> see Gary's mail | ||
841 | <edx> *great* why not? | ||
842 | <edx> i will... | ||
843 | <edx> in a sec | ||
844 | <Bagder> Greg's mail of course | ||
845 | * Bagder writes "Gary is not Greg" a 100 times | ||
846 | <edx> hehe | ||
847 | * edx didnt even notice you switched names ;) | ||
848 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
849 | * edx writes it 50 times | ||
850 | <edx> is scrolling used on the player? | ||
851 | <Zagor> yes | ||
852 | <edx> when? | ||
853 | <Zagor> i'm working on a better scroll, though | ||
854 | <edx> ... i would like to see scrolling... it doesnt scroll :) | ||
855 | <Bagder> it should scroll | ||
856 | <Zagor> short names don't scroll. find a long filename | ||
857 | <edx> folder name.. ? | ||
858 | <Zagor> file or folder | ||
859 | <edx> (long folder name wont scroll.. :() | ||
860 | <Zagor> then it's a bug | ||
861 | <Zagor> actually i found a bug with that. names only 1 char too long don't scroll. | ||
862 | <Zagor> the length calculation was wrong | ||
863 | <edx> uhm its much longer.. rather a uisw bug ;) | ||
864 | <Zagor> oh, doh, i forgot what you were working on :) | ||
865 | <edx> ok that sucks... the thread suspends itself :/ | ||
866 | <Bagder> hehe | ||
867 | <edx> not funny :P | ||
868 | <jedix> whats new? | ||
869 | <Zagor> we got the ata code working on all recorders now | ||
870 | <edx> it wont scroll! | ||
871 | <edx> scroll_count stays 0.. also for folders :/ | ||
872 | <Bagder> it scrolls on target | ||
873 | <Bagder> and in the X11 simulator | ||
874 | <edx> apps.. main.c needs to include thread.h for init_threads | ||
875 | <edx> main.c .. init must return a value | ||
876 | <Bagder> it must? | ||
877 | <edx> dont know.. vc says it must | ||
878 | <Bagder> right | ||
879 | <Bagder> should be a void | ||
880 | <edx> noo... | ||
881 | <edx> whats this | ||
882 | <edx> ah ok | ||
883 | <edx> recorder scrolls, too? | ||
884 | <Bagder> yes | ||
885 | <edx> (no, not on the simulator :/) | ||
886 | <Bagder> is too ;-) | ||
887 | <edx> bah | ||
888 | <edx> lol | ||
889 | <edx> how do i pop up the menu again :/ | ||
890 | <Bagder> Zagor: you added any randomize menu? | ||
891 | <Zagor> not yet, working on Scroller++ :) | ||
892 | <Bagder> edx: the - | ||
893 | <edx> (wont work) | ||
894 | <edx> what's all this lol | ||
895 | <Bagder> I'll go home, see ya later | ||
896 | <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox | ||
897 | <edx> why wont the menu show up??! | ||
898 | <Zagor> you must press F1 now, not F2 or F3 | ||
899 | <edx> ok | ||
900 | <Zagor> that is: you must press /, not * or - | ||
901 | <edx> ahhh | ||
902 | <edx> thanks | ||
903 | <edx> ok scrolling works in the menu! | ||
904 | <edx> not whilke browsing though | ||
905 | <Zagor> weird | ||
906 | <Zagor> add a debugf() in scroll_thread to see that it's running properly | ||
907 | <edx> pah who wokrs with debugf.. breakpoint there ... it works ;) | ||
908 | <Zagor> haha | ||
909 | <edx> scroll_count | ||
910 | <edx> that is 0... | ||
911 | <edx> hmm | ||
912 | <edx> lcd_puts_scroll sets it to 1... | ||
913 | <edx> now that's weird. | ||
914 | <edx> uhm | ||
915 | <edx> its 0 again... for some reason.. uhm.. well ill debug a little | ||
916 | <edx> why is lcd_stop_scroll called directly before putsscroll? | ||
917 | <edx> that's not wonder at all ... stop_scroll sets it to 0 again! | ||
918 | <Zagor> because stop_scroll restores the line. the next putsscroll starts scrolling on another line | ||
919 | <edx> hmmhm | ||
920 | <edx> but its called over and over again | ||
921 | <edx> (tree.c ln 366) | ||
922 | <Zagor> you have an old tree.c 366 is the last return | ||
923 | <edx> oh lol | ||
924 | <edx> ... | ||
925 | <edx> but there, too, lcd_stop_scroll is called over and over again | ||
926 | <-- plmirc|zzZZ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | ||
927 | <Zagor> where? | ||
928 | <Zagor> it's called once per screen update | ||
929 | <edx> ln 366... whats that | ||
930 | <edx> hum? | ||
931 | <Zagor> 366 is "return false;" | ||
932 | <edx> i just updated.. (i even deleted the whole folder and checked out again) | ||
933 | <edx> strange. | ||
934 | <Zagor> uh, lemme check | ||
935 | <Zagor> it's my version that's different. let me check it in. | ||
936 | <Zagor> now | ||
937 | <Zagor> also grab the new lcd.c | ||
938 | <edx> k | ||
939 | <edx> uhm.. its always set to 0 again :/ | ||
940 | <Zagor> strange. well it works in target and x11 simulator... | ||
941 | <edx> hah! setting scroll speed to 1.. then it works LOL | ||
942 | <edx> scroll_speed/2 .. that does not work according to c... for scroll_speed = 1 (1/2 = 0) | ||
943 | <Zagor> yes, don't use scroll_speed=1 | ||
944 | <edx> thats the only number it works for lol | ||
945 | <Zagor> eh? make it better :) | ||
946 | <edx> it's set to 0 (by scroll_stop) before the scroll function is called - how can this work whereever else..? | ||
947 | <Zagor> no, scroll_count is set to 0. not speed. | ||
948 | <edx> ok | ||
949 | <edx> whatever. | ||
950 | <edx> still... why? | ||
951 | <Zagor> well there's a difference :) | ||
952 | <Zagor> because by setting it to 0 the scroll stops | ||
953 | <edx> great. | ||
954 | <edx> then it stopsstopsstops ... | ||
955 | <edx> line 366 is called more than 10 times a sec... | ||
956 | <edx> is that correct? | ||
957 | <Zagor> 366 is "return false;" | ||
958 | <edx> *crying...* | ||
959 | <edx> lcd_stop_scroll(); | ||
960 | <edx> that's what it is | ||
961 | <Zagor> no, i don't get that called other than when the screen is scrolled or the cursor is moved | ||
962 | <Zagor> where is it called from? | ||
963 | <edx> ok.. now it is return false; (done another update) | ||
964 | <Zagor> returns? | ||
965 | <edx> still.. it wont scroll... | ||
966 | <Zagor> it's void. what are you doing? | ||
967 | <edx> now its line 359 i am talking about | ||
968 | <edx> tree.c ln 359 | ||
969 | <edx> is always called :( | ||
970 | <Zagor> check your button_get. if the argument is true, it's not supposed to return until you press a key. | ||
971 | <Zagor> that's probably it | ||
972 | <edx> ahhhhhhh | ||
973 | <edx> thats OF COURSE it ;) | ||
974 | <Zagor> ok, good! | ||
975 | <edx> who did put that argument in there? | ||
976 | <Zagor> i did | ||
977 | <edx> i am sorry for bothering you all the time.. :) | ||
978 | <Zagor> that was last week, i think. looong ago :) | ||
979 | <Zagor> no problem :) | ||
980 | <edx> now thats your own fault! | ||
981 | <edx> hehe | ||
982 | <Zagor> i have to rush. see you tomorrow! | ||
983 | <-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") | ||
984 | <edx> YEAY! | ||
985 | * edx got scroll to work! | ||
986 | --> dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) has joined #rockbox | ||
987 | --- edx is now known as edx|away | ||
988 | --> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
989 | <edx|away> Bagder2: are you the "real" Bagder? lol | ||
990 | <Bagder2> noooo, I'm 100% fake ;-) | ||
991 | <edx|away> was that ironi? lol if not then who are you :) | ||
992 | <Bagder2> you should recognize that I use the same host pattern as always | ||
993 | <Bagder2> should be an indication | ||
994 | <Bagder2> so yes, its me | ||
995 | <edx|away> in windows i can only see that if i really want to (and I had a look at it and rcognized name etc were correct.. but you can never be sure ;)) | ||
996 | <edx|away> got scrolling to work on the simulator | ||
997 | <Bagder2> cool | ||
998 | <Bagder2> I noticed your commits | ||
999 | <edx|away> was just teh button_get function which did not work for 1st argument = true | ||
1000 | <edx|away> hm.. gotta eat something... be right back | ||
1001 | --- edx|away is now known as edx|eats | ||
1002 | <Bagder2> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily.shtml | ||
1003 | <adi|work> edx i wanted to say.. good work on the windows side mate... | ||
1004 | <edx|eats> adi.. thanks :) | ||
1005 | --- edx|eats is now known as edx | ||
1006 | <adi|work> as for you Bagder2... well... atleast your swedish ;) | ||
1007 | <adi|work> has anyone else been really helping you? | ||
1008 | <Bagder2> edx, you should check the compile status page after you commit stuff... it broke again | ||
1009 | <Bagder2> fixed now | ||
1010 | <edx> ouh.. what was it? | ||
1011 | <Bagder2> different init protos in apps/main.c | ||
1012 | <edx> himhum.. think i fixed that (?) | ||
1013 | <Bagder2> yes, you fixed it for the simulator | ||
1014 | <Bagder2> and broke all non-sims ;-) | ||
1015 | <Bagder2> 6 red boxes | ||
1016 | <edx> ok... very sorry for that.. didnt know there was one for each (sim/target) | ||
1017 | <Bagder2> no worries | ||
1018 | <edx> next time i'll have a look at it | ||
1019 | <Bagder2> I just meant that as an advice | ||
1020 | <edx> .. and it's a good one ;) | ||
1021 | <edx> didnt know it would update that fast.. that's really cool what you did there :D | ||
1022 | <Bagder2> it updates every 20 minutes if there are changes done | ||
1023 | * Bagder2 bows | ||
1024 | * edx applauds | ||
1025 | * Bagder2 likes Björns scroll-fix | ||
1026 | <adi|work> that scroll does look good | ||
1027 | <adi|work> okay, who broke the sim? | ||
1028 | <adi|work> i can't get into the menu anymore | ||
1029 | <adi|work> for the recorder | ||
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1038 | <jedix> adi| whats your problem with the scroll? | ||
1039 | <adi|work> noting.. i like the scroll | ||
1040 | <adi|work> but the sim for some reason, doesnt' bring up the menu anymore... | ||
1041 | <adi|work> for the recorder | ||
1042 | <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox | ||
1043 | --> Coug (sometime@1Cust221.tnt1.coeur-dalene.id.da.uu.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1044 | <Coug> does anyone know how to install an archos driver when it says "you do not have sufficient security priveleges to install this hardware" in windows 2000 | ||
1045 | <Coug> yes.... I did get permission | ||
1046 | <edx> press / | ||
1047 | <edx> ... adi | ||
1048 | <edx> for the menu | ||
1049 | <-- jedix has quit ("Mozilla party!") | ||
1050 | --> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox | ||
1051 | <g003y> woo... busy today :D | ||
1052 | <-- g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has left #rockbox | ||
1053 | <-- edx has quit ("good night") | ||
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1055 | --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
1056 | <Bagder> hey | ||
1057 | <Linus> cuckoo! | ||
1058 | <Bagder> the builds went red again, but I got to turn them green ;-) | ||
1059 | <adi|work> aren't the sim for the recorders supposed to go into menu when you hit '*'? | ||
1060 | <Linus> red builds. oh my god! | ||
1061 | <adi|work> cause it seems it does it on '/' now. | ||
1062 | <Bagder> I think Björn moved that, on purpose or not | ||
1063 | <Linus> So did Zagor finally accept my ATA patch...? :-) | ||
1064 | <Linus> the bloated one | ||
1065 | <Bagder> hah | ||
1066 | <Bagder> he who writes the working code wins | ||
1067 | <Linus> :-) | ||
1068 | <Linus> BTW, did we give jedix credit for his work on the scroller? | ||
1069 | <Bagder> I don't think we did | ||
1070 | <adi|work> where do we need to give him credit? | ||
1071 | <adi|work> on the credits list? | ||
1072 | <Bagder> we should get Greg on IRC | ||
1073 | <adi|work> Greg? | ||
1074 | <Bagder> Haerr | ||
1075 | * adi|work doesn't recognize the name | ||
1076 | <Bagder> from the mailing list | ||
1077 | <adi|work> ahh..okay.. | ||
1078 | <Bagder> he posted like 7 times the last 24 hours | ||
1079 | <adi|work> that guy.. eheh okay | ||
1080 | <adi|work> :) | ||
1081 | <adi|work> just sent him an invite | ||
1082 | <Bagder> night | ||
1083 | <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox | ||
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1086 | <Linus> night | ||
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1093 | --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
1094 | <ironi> hey | ||
1095 | <ironi> björn you have klez =) | ||
1096 | <ironi> how did you get it in linux | ||
1097 | <ironi> hehe | ||
1098 | <ironi> oh | ||
1099 | <ironi> anyone awake? | ||
1100 | <ironi> wow | ||
1101 | <ironi> the firmware is getting really good | ||
1102 | <ironi> but the moving around is still wrong | ||
1103 | --> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-206-140-154.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1104 | <gregh> hello | ||
1105 | <gregh> is this the rockbox developer irc channel? | ||
1106 | <ironi> yepp | ||
1107 | <ironi> that's it? | ||
1108 | <ironi> all you had to ask? | ||
1109 | <ironi> =) | ||
1110 | <gregh> would you believe I've been hacking code for 20 years | ||
1111 | <gregh> and never used irc? | ||
1112 | <gregh> a few folks suggested I get on this channel | ||
1113 | <gregh> I was thinking of jumping in and hacking the windows | ||
1114 | <gregh> simulator version a bit... I'm stuck using windows | ||
1115 | <gregh> for now and its hard to dual boot... | ||
1116 | <ironi> heh =) | ||
1117 | <ironi> i see | ||
1118 | <ironi> well welcome to irc | ||
1119 | <ironi> you have missed out on something for the last...well not 20 but maybe 10 years | ||
1120 | <adi|work> hey gregh... glad you came over :) | ||
1121 | <adi|work> you just missed Bagder and Linus | ||
1122 | <gregh> who is adi|work? Is that edx? | ||
1123 | <adi|work> they went to sleep a bit ago.. | ||
1124 | <adi|work> adi|work: adiamas | ||
1125 | <gregh> oh shoot. | ||
1126 | <adi|work> adi|home: adiamas | ||
1127 | <adi|work> :) | ||
1128 | <adi|work> they are in sweden... | ||
1129 | <ironi> hm | ||
1130 | <ironi> and i am just a wannabe that has been around since day 1 of development | ||
1131 | <gregh> I'm thinking it would be fun to hack some code for the player | ||
1132 | <ironi> the only i have contributed with is the name "rockbox" and a bit of the website design | ||
1133 | <gregh> but I'm lazy and don't have time to cross compile so I've | ||
1134 | <gregh> got to get the windows simulator working great first... | ||
1135 | <gregh> ironi - well you did a good job on the name! | ||
1136 | <ironi> gregh: I'm kind of prud actually | ||
1137 | <ironi> hehe | ||
1138 | <ironi> I would hack code if I knew more | ||
1139 | <ironi> But I'll give it some more time | ||
1140 | <gregh> does everyone here use the x11 version, or instead | ||
1141 | <gregh> the actual target version? | ||
1142 | <ironi> heh gregh you dont need to press enter like that | ||
1143 | <ironi> =) | ||
1144 | <PsycoXul> haha | ||
1145 | <gregh> oh, were your screens scrolling? I double clicked on a few | ||
1146 | <gregh> peoples names... I don't quite know what I'm doing on IRC!! | ||
1147 | <PsycoXul> just type what you wanna say | ||
1148 | <PsycoXul> nothing special | ||
1149 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1150 | <gregh> it was interesting to see where everybody's IP address was | ||
1151 | <gregh> ok, I think I've got it back under control now... | ||
1152 | <gregh> so - what feature should I hack on first? | ||
1153 | <PsycoXul> you can put more on 1 line, rather than hitting enter between pieces ... | ||
1154 | <ironi> gregh: what client do you use? | ||
1155 | <gregh> I just pulled down mIRC. What do you recommend? I am hitting enter a bit frequently, I see | ||
1156 | <ironi> gregh: well mirc is good for beginners | ||
1157 | <ironi> stick to that for a while | ||
1158 | <ironi> i personally use xircon, another windows client | ||
1159 | <gregh> hehe | ||
1160 | * PsycoXul recomends *NIX clients :p | ||
1161 | <ironi> which i find better , but i guess that is just what im used to | ||
1162 | <ironi> PsycoXul: u think? for a newbie? | ||
1163 | <PsycoXul> well if he's on windows he can't very well use them so i guess he's better off sticking with mirc | ||
1164 | <ironi> gregh: well a few hints: you doint need to type the entire nick of someone you address, jsut type first letter then tab | ||
1165 | <PsycoXul> :p | ||
1166 | <ironi> or a few letters then : | ||
1167 | <gregh> mIRC requires payment after 30 days I think | ||
1168 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1169 | <PsycoXul> sure it does | ||
1170 | <PsycoXul> :p | ||
1171 | <gregh> I have to use windows for my damn email for the time being | ||
1172 | <ironi> /j to join /msg to private message /dns to see ip of a user, /notice to notice a user, /server to change server | ||
1173 | <ironi> the basic irc commands | ||
1174 | <ironi> =) | ||
1175 | <ironi> i cant beilieve there are actually ppl on this planet that have never used irc...today...2003 =) | ||
1176 | <ironi> no offence, gregh | ||
1177 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1178 | <PsycoXul> ironi: you get out much? | ||
1179 | <gregh> well, I spend too much time in the VI editor. | ||
1180 | <PsycoXul> lots of people haven't used irc :p | ||
1181 | <ironi> PsycoXul: wel i mean like programmers, computer-freaks etc | ||
1182 | <ironi> =) | ||
1183 | <gregh> I readily admitted my IRC failings so that you wouldn't think I'm completely out of it... | ||
1184 | <ironi> PsycoXul: yah i get out much but irc is a part of my life | ||
1185 | <PsycoXul> yeah | ||
1186 | <gregh> what happens if you're gone for a while and someone sends a message, etc? | ||
1187 | <PsycoXul> irc's funny like that | ||
1188 | <ironi> It sounds kinda geeky to say u have friends on irc, that you consider your friends. | ||
1189 | <PsycoXul> well if you're not connected then you're not on the network to get it | ||
1190 | <PsycoXul> it'll tell them you're not there | ||
1191 | <ironi> gregh: you can set your self away like /away reason bla bla | ||
1192 | <PsycoXul> if you are connected it'll scroll in your client, and depending on settings your client may log it for you | ||
1193 | <gregh> I can see that IRC is much more interactive than email, and you can get a better feel for the type of person you | ||
1194 | <gregh> re communicating with... | ||
1195 | <ironi> gregh: of course | ||
1196 | <PsycoXul> or it'll just be like in the scrollback | ||
1197 | <ironi> hell, I met my girlfriend on irc | ||
1198 | <ironi> hahaha | ||
1199 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1200 | <gregh> are the communications in IRC logged ? | ||
1201 | <ironi> gregh: you can log it, yes | ||
1202 | <gregh> (I wonder if I'll meet my future ex-girlfriend on IRC?) | ||
1203 | <gregh> I mean is there a master log for review? | ||
1204 | <ironi> gregh: optimistic, aye? | ||
1205 | <PsycoXul> servers don't log | ||
1206 | <ironi> gregh: I don't think so | ||
1207 | <PsycoXul> generaly | ||
1208 | <ironi> Never heard of it anyway | ||
1209 | <PsycoXul> other people connected and in the channel can log the chan though | ||
1210 | <ironi> gregh: well you wont find any girls (hardly) on this network =)( | ||
1211 | <PsycoXul> ironi: where will you find them? | ||
1212 | <gregh> ironi: yeah, I bet not ;-( | ||
1213 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1214 | <gregh> I meet girls with my rockbox, though =) | ||
1215 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1216 | <ironi> PsycoXul: i just meant there are other networks with channels that are more for "ordinary" ppl | ||
1217 | <ironi> chat channels | ||
1218 | <ironi> gregh: hehehe | ||
1219 | <PsycoXul> ah | ||
1220 | <PsycoXul> yeah but ordinary people suck :/ | ||
1221 | <ironi> well | ||
1222 | <ironi> gregh: another good irc network (i think) is efnet, weher eoyu can find a lot of good channels | ||
1223 | <PsycoXul> yeah efnet's huge | ||
1224 | <PsycoXul> lots of people, lots of chans | ||
1225 | <PsycoXul> i dunno that i'd call it a good network though | ||
1226 | <PsycoXul> :p | ||
1227 | <ironi> PsycoXul: well its a good balance between good topics and off-topic talk | ||
1228 | <ironi> if you know what i mean | ||
1229 | <PsycoXul> well that all depends on the chan | ||
1230 | <ironi> comparing to nets like dalnet =) | ||
1231 | <ironi> PsycoXul: of course | ||
1232 | <-- gregh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | ||
1233 | <ironi> well dalnet has some good linux channels | ||
1234 | <ironi> oops | ||
1235 | <ironi> there he went | ||
1236 | --> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1237 | <-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) | ||
1238 | <PsycoXul> whoa | ||
1239 | <ironi> PsycoXul: where are you located? | ||
1240 | <PsycoXul> he's in the same area as i am | ||
1241 | <ironi> whats that, los angeles? | ||
1242 | <ironi> lsan? | ||
1243 | --> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1244 | <PsycoXul> san bernardino county i guess | ||
1245 | <gregh> am I back, good god I just got cut off | ||
1246 | <ironi> oh really | ||
1247 | <PsycoXul> i'm in colton myself | ||
1248 | <ironi> gregh you nad PsycoXul seem to be neighbours | ||
1249 | <gregh> I am in newport beach right now | ||
1250 | <ironi> PsycoXul: is that california? =) | ||
1251 | <gregh> yepp | ||
1252 | * ironi has no clue | ||
1253 | <PsycoXul> yeah | ||
1254 | <ironi> gregh you can use /me to talk about yourself in third person | ||
1255 | <gregh> do you know why I was just disconnected with no warning? | ||
1256 | <ironi> so are you close? | ||
1257 | <PsycoXul> connection reset by peer | ||
1258 | <PsycoXul> well i guess not so close if he's on a beach | ||
1259 | <PsycoXul> i'm rather inland | ||
1260 | <ironi> newport beach and colton | ||
1261 | <gregh> where is PsycoXul? I missed the last 3 minutes | ||
1262 | <ironi> ok | ||
1263 | <gregh> where the heck is colton? | ||
1264 | <PsycoXul> near rialto | ||
1265 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1266 | <gregh> ok, where is rialto... | ||
1267 | <ironi> hahaha | ||
1268 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1269 | <gregh> I'm from salt lake city, actually | ||
1270 | <PsycoXul> san bernardino county | ||
1271 | <gregh> but hangin here in newport | ||
1272 | <ironi> well im in sweden | ||
1273 | <gregh> what time is it, ironi | ||
1274 | <PsycoXul> pretty close to riverside i think | ||
1275 | <ironi> i was in saint louis, MO for 5 months last year though | ||
1276 | <gregh> oh, then you are near chino? | ||
1277 | <ironi> 2:48 am | ||
1278 | <PsycoXul> i'm not sure where chino is | ||
1279 | <ironi> you guys haha | ||
1280 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1281 | <ironi> sometimes i forget how damn big usa is | ||
1282 | <gregh> he he, CA's too big a place | ||
1283 | <ironi> =) | ||
1284 | <ironi> it sure is | ||
1285 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1286 | <PsycoXul> yeah california could be 2 states | ||
1287 | <PsycoXul> and still be pretty big ones | ||
1288 | <PsycoXul> :p | ||
1289 | <gregh> probably will be someday | ||
1290 | <PsycoXul> yeah | ||
1291 | <ironi> but you both have *,dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net | ||
1292 | <PsycoXul> yeah | ||
1293 | <PsycoXul> pacbell's funky | ||
1294 | <ironi> sounds to me like you should be close :-P | ||
1295 | <PsycoXul> i'd think so too | ||
1296 | <ironi> i has swbell when i was in stl | ||
1297 | <ironi> had | ||
1298 | <gregh> ironi: i typed '/dns ironi' and nothing happened... | ||
1299 | <ironi> nothing? | ||
1300 | <ironi> strange | ||
1301 | <ironi> try /whois ironi | ||
1302 | <PsycoXul> since i've seen .dsl.XXXX.pacbell.net different one's for LA and san diego i figured lsan was san bernardino.. | ||
1303 | <ironi> not same thing | ||
1304 | <gregh> where's it supposed to put the info, on the line above? | ||
1305 | <ironi> on the line you type | ||
1306 | <ironi> oh oh | ||
1307 | <ironi> default mirc | ||
1308 | <ironi> in the status window | ||
1309 | <ironi> is where it gets put | ||
1310 | <ironi> damn default mirc is not all that funny | ||
1311 | <gregh> oh, yes, there it is, hidden behind my window | ||
1312 | <PsycoXul> and btw for unix/linux irc client i recomend irssi | ||
1313 | <ironi> I would recommend xircon if you want winsdows gui client | ||
1314 | <ironi> irssi rocks | ||
1315 | <ironi> but i like windows | ||
1316 | <ironi> to put 4 channels in a tile | ||
1317 | <ironi> so i can see all at once on my 19" | ||
1318 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1319 | <ironi> thats heaven for me :-P | ||
1320 | <ironi> actually 6 right now | ||
1321 | <gregh> ah yes, that sounds like a good idea for a long time IRC person | ||
1322 | <PsycoXul> you can have windows in irssi arranged how you like them | ||
1323 | <ironi> PsycoXul: nut in 2x2 | ||
1324 | <PsycoXul> really? | ||
1325 | <ironi> just above each other | ||
1326 | <PsycoXul> i use fullsize windows | ||
1327 | <ironi> as far as i know | ||
1328 | <ironi> you talking console irssi? | ||
1329 | <PsycoXul> 15 of them right now | ||
1330 | <gregh> any idea why I was disconnected without notice? | ||
1331 | <PsycoXul> though only 14 in use :p | ||
1332 | <ironi> ok wlel then you have to press buttons to change chans | ||
1333 | <PsycoXul> alt and a number | ||
1334 | <PsycoXul> big deal :p | ||
1335 | <PsycoXul> like my hands aren't already pressing buttons to be and chat on irc :p | ||
1336 | <ironi> gregh: connection reset by peer | ||
1337 | <PsycoXul> its more convenient than having to move a hand over to the mouse | ||
1338 | <gregh> you're talking a human or machine? You mean TCPIP reset by peer | ||
1339 | <PsycoXul> and i don't have the precious screen real estate to have them all visible at once | ||
1340 | <PsycoXul> ...especialy having 14 windows | ||
1341 | <PsycoXul> being on 4 different networks | ||
1342 | <gregh> control-shift-f6 will change between mdi windows in windows | ||
1343 | <ironi> gregh: if it happens sometimes, its just like that, it happens | ||
1344 | <PsycoXul> 10+ different channels | ||
1345 | <ironi> im on 2 networks | ||
1346 | <ironi> gregh: i would really recoomend xircon to you | ||
1347 | <ironi> its really nice | ||
1348 | <PsycoXul> yeah | ||
1349 | <ironi> for windows | ||
1350 | <gregh> I'll pull it down | ||
1351 | <ironi> you do need kano too | ||
1352 | <PsycoXul> xircon's the least-shitty windows irc client i've found | ||
1353 | <ironi> xircon raw is crap | ||
1354 | <PsycoXul> :p | ||
1355 | <ironi> PsycoXul: with kano its really extensive | ||
1356 | <ironi> the nick completion is unbeatable | ||
1357 | <PsycoXul> yeah i've seen kano | ||
1358 | <PsycoXul> i like irssi's nick completion | ||
1359 | <gregh> is kano an addon | ||
1360 | <PsycoXul> yeah its a script | ||
1361 | <ironi> http://www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE | ||
1362 | <ironi> install that first | ||
1363 | <PsycoXul> i'm not a big fan of tcl personally | ||
1364 | <ironi> dont bother to run it befor eyou install.... | ||
1365 | <ironi> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe | ||
1366 | <ironi> that | ||
1367 | <PsycoXul> i'm not really fond of perl either, but i respect it and its a lot better than tcl :p | ||
1368 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1369 | <ironi> when running the kano installer make sure you select the "first time install" | ||
1370 | <ironi> irssi is tcl or? | ||
1371 | <PsycoXul> irssi uses perl for its scripting | ||
1372 | <PsycoXul> xircon uses tcl | ||
1373 | <ironi> http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe | ||
1374 | <ironi> try that link for kano | ||
1375 | <ironi> the first one maybe didnt work | ||
1376 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1377 | <gregh> www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE | ||
1378 | <gregh> I had to repeat that since I finally got logging turned on | ||
1379 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1380 | <PsycoXul> ok | ||
1381 | <ironi> you can click that link to open broswer | ||
1382 | <ironi> at least in xircon | ||
1383 | <gregh> and I never know when I'll get a disconnected | ||
1384 | <ironi> gregh: heh that doesnt happen so often, and with xircon + kano the windows wont empty when you reconnect | ||
1385 | <gregh> oh.. | ||
1386 | <gregh> ok, got em both downloaded | ||
1387 | <ironi> even if oyu get kicked and rejoin | ||
1388 | <ironi> so install xircon first | ||
1389 | <ironi> then after that install kano and make sure you select the update settings box | ||
1390 | <gregh> shall I install it right now while I'm talkin with you guys? | ||
1391 | <ironi> makes some things easier | ||
1392 | <ironi> sure why not | ||
1393 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1394 | <gregh> here goes | ||
1395 | <gregh> heh | ||
1396 | <PsycoXul> imma go watch the conformavision | ||
1397 | <PsycoXul> bbl :p | ||
1398 | <gregh> xIRC installed | ||
1399 | <ironi> k | ||
1400 | <gregh> except no desktop icon, hm | ||
1401 | <ironi> its in the start menu | ||
1402 | <ironi> =) | ||
1403 | <ironi> well dont run it | ||
1404 | <ironi> install kano first | ||
1405 | <gregh> installing kano now... | ||
1406 | <ironi> k | ||
1407 | <ironi> now xirocn is a bit different but a lot easier to understand i think | ||
1408 | <ironi> especiallt he cinenct dialog | ||
1409 | <gregh> did you say I should check the "update settings" box? | ||
1410 | <ironi> yep | ||
1411 | <ironi> definitely | ||
1412 | <ironi> did you? | ||
1413 | <gregh> and all the other boxes? | ||
1414 | <ironi> yah i think so | ||
1415 | <ironi> dont rememberthe others | ||
1416 | <ironi> =) | ||
1417 | <gregh> ok kano installed | ||
1418 | <gregh> now what | ||
1419 | <ironi> so now start xircon | ||
1420 | <gregh> should i log in and keep connected here also? | ||
1421 | <gregh> can you run two clients? | ||
1422 | <ironi> yeah if its possible | ||
1423 | <ironi> well yes | ||
1424 | <gregh> ok, here goes...! | ||
1425 | <ironi> but sometimes a server doenst accept two conenctions | ||
1426 | <ironi> from same if | ||
1427 | <ironi> but if you conenct to irc.openprojects.org you wont always end up on the same | ||
1428 | <ironi> it redirects | ||
1429 | <gregh> i'm running it now, does it always take a bit after logging into the server to ask for the channel connection? | ||
1430 | <ironi> oh you mean the pop-up window? | ||
1431 | <gregh> yes, it's got a black (single) window | ||
1432 | <ironi> ok | ||
1433 | <ironi> you can use /j rockbox | ||
1434 | <ironi> /j is short for join | ||
1435 | <ironi> not working? | ||
1436 | --> new_gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1437 | <ironi> hehe | ||
1438 | <ironi> there u go | ||
1439 | <new_gregh> hehe | ||
1440 | <ironi> ok so there are a few things you should configure | ||
1441 | <ironi> if you right click in the channel | ||
1442 | <ironi> configure/options/kanos options | ||
1443 | <new_gregh> right click in the black window? | ||
1444 | <ironi> uncheck any box checked on the lower half on the middle section | ||
1445 | <ironi> yeah in the channel window you are talking in | ||
1446 | <new_gregh> there aren't checkboxes, just hierarchical menus... | ||
1447 | <ironi> well in the menu ther eis configure -> options -> kanos options | ||
1448 | <ironi> there i would recommend to unchek all boxes in the lower half on th emiddle section, like reprt fatal erros and so on | ||
1449 | <gregh> ok, I've got that up now | ||
1450 | <ironi> also set "autoaway" to "off", and "on nick highlight" to "echo in focused" | ||
1451 | <ironi> the hit ok | ||
1452 | <gregh> good god what a bunch of options...!! | ||
1453 | <ironi> then | ||
1454 | <ironi> yeah there is A LOT more | ||
1455 | <ironi> if you want | ||
1456 | <ironi> but you dont need to | ||
1457 | <gregh> ok, did all that | ||
1458 | <ironi> done? | ||
1459 | <ironi> ok | ||
1460 | <new_gregh> yep, here I am | ||
1461 | <ironi> configure -> options -> modules options | ||
1462 | <ironi> check automatically log all channels to dir | ||
1463 | <gregh> geez a zillion more options | ||
1464 | <ironi> its a grwat fnction that sorts logs , channels in one dir and querys (private conversations) in one | ||
1465 | <new_gregh> done | ||
1466 | <ironi> configure -> options -> addons options | ||
1467 | <gregh> ok | ||
1468 | <ironi> remove the bottow five checkboxes | ||
1469 | <ironi> they are annoying | ||
1470 | <ironi> well actually | ||
1471 | <new_gregh> done | ||
1472 | <ironi> if u want spellfix, keep it | ||
1473 | <ironi> i cant use it since i talk in swedish in some channels | ||
1474 | <new_gregh> no spell fix for now, I never make a mistrake ;-) | ||
1475 | <ironi> ok and now | ||
1476 | <ironi> mistrake | ||
1477 | <ironi> and now something | ||
1478 | <ironi> type /ncomp &n: | ||
1479 | <new_gregh> what? | ||
1480 | <ironi> /ncomp &n: | ||
1481 | <new_gregh> I did that | ||
1482 | <ironi> ok | ||
1483 | <ironi> new_gregh: This is what the nick comp is set to! | ||
1484 | <ironi> thats what u got? | ||
1485 | <new_gregh> yes | ||
1486 | <ironi> cause that is nick completion | ||
1487 | <ironi> try typing ir: | ||
1488 | <ironi> still there? | ||
1489 | <new_gregh> ironi: | ||
1490 | <ironi> you see? | ||
1491 | <ironi> =) | ||
1492 | <ironi> you can also try ir and press tab | ||
1493 | <ironi> it will complete the nick | ||
1494 | <new_gregh> ironi | ||
1495 | <ironi> kinda handy | ||
1496 | <ironi> for long nicks | ||
1497 | <new_gregh> what does the &n mean? | ||
1498 | <ironi> oh that was how it would complete | ||
1499 | <ironi> &n is the nick and : | ||
1500 | <new_gregh> OH I get it now... nick completion is nick followed by : | ||
1501 | <new_gregh> I said I'm new... | ||
1502 | <ironi> exactly | ||
1503 | <ironi> so i change my | ||
1504 | <ironi> new_gregh-baby: | ||
1505 | <ironi> heh | ||
1506 | <ironi> adi|work-baby: | ||
1507 | <ironi> /ncomp &n-baby: | ||
1508 | <ironi> =) | ||
1509 | <new_gregh> I suppose you can do /ncomp (eval fn(&n))? | ||
1510 | <ironi> its with an underscored : by default and a lot of ppl dont like that | ||
1511 | <ironi> hah | ||
1512 | <ironi> dunno | ||
1513 | <ironi> try /help ncomp | ||
1514 | <new_gregh> I'm going to change new_gregh back to gregh but can't since I'm running two clients right now | ||
1515 | <new_gregh> how do I setup for automatic login to rockbox on startup?" | ||
1516 | <ironi> no... close the first one and do /nick gregh | ||
1517 | <-- gregh has quit () | ||
1518 | --- new_gregh is now known as gregh | ||
1519 | <gregh> hello there | ||
1520 | <gregh> we're rockin now | ||
1521 | <ironi> right click in the channel, then do autojoin-> add to autojoins | ||
1522 | <ironi> autojoin->add current | ||
1523 | <ironi> yeah | ||
1524 | <ironi> do this | ||
1525 | <gregh> done | ||
1526 | <ironi> /theme bitchx | ||
1527 | <ironi> thats a nice theme i think | ||
1528 | <gregh> it didn't do anything yet | ||
1529 | <ironi> looks like BitchX, a *nix console irc client | ||
1530 | <ironi> didnt you get a popup where you could press ok? | ||
1531 | <gregh> it asked for the load, but no art changed... | ||
1532 | <gregh> yes | ||
1533 | <ironi> oh really | ||
1534 | <ironi> strange | ||
1535 | <ironi> maybe its default then | ||
1536 | <gregh> it says that it loaded it | ||
1537 | <gregh> what's another theme | ||
1538 | <ironi> strange | ||
1539 | <ironi> try /theme | ||
1540 | <ironi> then look in kano\themes | ||
1541 | <gregh> ok, i loaded Metal | ||
1542 | <gregh> what is supposed to change? | ||
1543 | <ironi> thatone is noce to | ||
1544 | <ironi> colors | ||
1545 | <gregh> just the text colors? | ||
1546 | <ironi> font colors | ||
1547 | <ironi> yeah | ||
1548 | <ironi> and a few other things | ||
1549 | <ironi> the "console" | ||
1550 | <ironi> you cna actually try yourself b using /kano | ||
1551 | <gregh> well, it's not too exciting over here | ||
1552 | <ironi> like /kano 0 | ||
1553 | * ironi is testing | ||
1554 | <gregh> I set a prompt | ||
1555 | <ironi> hm | ||
1556 | * ironi is testing | ||
1557 | <gregh> but don't see the prompt... | ||
1558 | <ironi> well its just when messgaes appear form the server, and so on | ||
1559 | <ironi> nevermind | ||
1560 | <gregh> that's ok, thanks | ||
1561 | <ironi> so anyway | ||
1562 | <ironi> you can do /ts | ||
1563 | <ironi> to get itmestamp | ||
1564 | <gregh> good | ||
1565 | <ironi> you have to do it individually for every channel | ||
1566 | <ironi> try pressing the little button with tools on top | ||
1567 | <ironi> you have a time format | ||
1568 | <ironi> you might want to change the time display layout | ||
1569 | <gregh> I see, my god what a configurable program | ||
1570 | <ironi> i have [%H:%M] | ||
1571 | <ironi> and also connecta t startup | ||
1572 | <ironi> might be handy | ||
1573 | <gregh> I set the connect at startup | ||
1574 | <ironi> now | ||
1575 | <gregh> well, before I go to bed tonight, I'll see if Linux or Bjorn are on | ||
1576 | <ironi> is this highlighted gregh | ||
1577 | <gregh> yes | ||
1578 | <ironi> good. | ||
1579 | <ironi> actually, minimize this program and look at your keyboard lamps | ||
1580 | <ironi> try that now | ||
1581 | <ironi> gregh | ||
1582 | <ironi> gregh | ||
1583 | <ironi> cool, isnt it? | ||
1584 | <ironi> gregh | ||
1585 | <ironi> =) | ||
1586 | <gregh> wow | ||
1587 | <ironi> the scroll lock is blinking , right? | ||
1588 | <ironi> =) | ||
1589 | <gregh> yes | ||
1590 | <ironi> i think that rocks, when im doing something else i can see someone needs me | ||
1591 | <gregh> how do you know if its addressed to you, or just the channel? | ||
1592 | <ironi> well kano is porlly the most complicated tcl script there is for irc | ||
1593 | <ironi> well it blinks when your name is said | ||
1594 | <ironi> thats the only occasion | ||
1595 | <gregh> oh my god | ||
1596 | <ironi> or when someone wites osmething to you in a private window | ||
1597 | <ironi> writes | ||
1598 | <gregh> and here I thought it was just when a message came through of any kind ... | ||
1599 | <ironi> no no | ||
1600 | <ironi> its a bit more sofisticated | ||
1601 | <ironi> anyway you can do most kano commands and options with / , you dnt have to use menus, which i think is handy | ||
1602 | <gregh> well, I better get something to eat and you better sleep... | ||
1603 | <ironi> if yu want to explore all the commands try typing /help | ||
1604 | <gregh> I will read up on this complicated thing... | ||
1605 | <ironi> and look onwards from there | ||
1606 | <gregh> I'll just leave this running, though | ||
1607 | <ironi> the commands that you do with / are called aliases btw | ||
1608 | <ironi> hehe do that | ||
1609 | <ironi> now waut | ||
1610 | <ironi> wait | ||
1611 | <ironi> try this /away food | ||
1612 | * gregh is away, food [l/on p/on] | ||
1613 | * ironi is gone, sleeping [l/on p/on] | ||
1614 | <ironi> =) | ||
1615 | <gregh> am I awa? | ||
1616 | <ironi> yep | ||
1617 | <gregh> away? | ||
1618 | * gregh has returned, [gone/1m 26s] | ||
1619 | <gregh> how do you get the private window? | ||
1620 | <ironi> you double click a user in the list | ||
1621 | <ironi> or if you want to do it the command line way you type /msg nickname text | ||
1622 | <ironi> the reply will still open up a new window | ||
1623 | <gregh> ok, I'm going to eat now, thanks alot for the info! | ||
1624 | <ironi> np | ||
1625 | * gregh is away, food+drinking [l/on p/on] | ||
1626 | <ironi> kano is huge, takes forever to learn all the nifty email-checkers and other built-in utils | ||
1627 | <gregh> s u later | ||
1628 | <ironi> but a tip is to rght click and go on help->aliases | ||
1629 | <ironi> ok take care | ||
1630 | <ironi> | ||
1631 | <ironi> | ||
1632 | <ironi> gregh: do u use emacs? | ||
1633 | <gregh> no | ||
1634 | <ironi> xircon supports some of it | ||
1635 | <ironi> ok | ||
1636 | <gregh> I'm a VI man | ||
1637 | <ironi> i think björn does | ||
1638 | <ironi> i have to tell him about it, i just found out | ||
1639 | <ironi> i haver used kano for 4 years, i keep finding new stuff | ||
1640 | <ironi> haha | ||
1641 | <gregh> isn't it about 3:30 in the morning now? | ||
1642 | <ironi> oh damn =) | ||
1643 | <ironi> i have to be up at 8 | ||
1644 | <ironi> bye =) | ||
1645 | <gregh> =) | ||
1646 | <-- gregh has quit (" <k!15b8>") | ||
1647 | --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1648 | <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | ||
1649 | <-- gregh has quit (" <k!15b8>") | ||
1650 | --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1651 | <-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) | ||
1652 | --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1653 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1654 | <gregh> yes i'm back | ||
1655 | --- dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno | ||
1656 | <PsycoXul> hmm | ||
1657 | <PsycoXul> http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm?terms=6609 | ||
1658 | <PsycoXul> are those too long? heh | ||
1659 | <PsycoXul> heh well... i guess they are | ||
1660 | <PsycoXul> thats kinda... heh | ||
1661 | <dwihno> Hmm, looks fishy | ||
1662 | <PsycoXul> well i measured my batteries | ||
1663 | <PsycoXul> they're only 2" | ||
1664 | <PsycoXul> those are 9/16" longer | ||
1665 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1666 | <dwihno> Well, you can always re-design your player to make it accept the bigger batteries ;) | ||
1667 | <dwihno> What kind of archos do you haev? | ||
1668 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1669 | <PsycoXul> studio20 | ||
1670 | <adi|home> gregh: about your logs question | ||
1671 | <adi|home> we have some of the irc conversation logs on the web site | ||
1672 | <adi|home> but no _everything_ | ||
1673 | <adi|home> and i met an ex on irc too ;) | ||
1674 | <adi|home> well.. chat room.. not irc ;) | ||
1675 | <dwihno> Does the archos firmware ever bug (major bugs, that is) for you? | ||
1676 | <dwihno> adi|home: internet is not for real(tm) :) | ||
1677 | <adi|home> dunno... havent' used it on my recorder | ||
1678 | <PsycoXul> well adding a whole dir to a playlist adds through to the end of the disk or more usualy the 999 limit | ||
1679 | <adi|home> thats not true dwihno | ||
1680 | <adi|home> we talked on line for 6 months or so... | ||
1681 | <dwihno> adi|home: The internet has you! | ||
1682 | <adi|home> talked on the phone for another 4 | ||
1683 | <PsycoXul> its a nice feature but not as nice as one that stops at the end of the dir :p | ||
1684 | <adi|home> then met in real life | ||
1685 | <dwihno> adi|home: nobody can be told what the internet is, you have to see it yourself! :) | ||
1686 | <PsycoXul> and the 999 limit's real annoying on a 20G drive | ||
1687 | <adi|home> we're 'togeather' for about a year | ||
1688 | <dwihno> PsycoXul: true, true | ||
1689 | <PsycoXul> the menus are a little random in their behaviour... they often don't return to where you expect them to | ||
1690 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1691 | <gregh> adi|home: which log question? | ||
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1693 | <adi|home> asking if there was a master list to irc | ||
1694 | <gregh> oh yes, I was going to see if catching up on irc logs was worthwhile | ||
1695 | <adi|home> i think just diving into the code and asking questions is your best shot | ||
1696 | <dwihno> adi|home: The internet has you!!! :O | ||
1697 | <adi|home> find something you want to fix/do and do it | ||
1698 | <adi|home> hehe damn right dwihno | ||
1699 | <adi|home> i mud | ||
1700 | <adi|home> i code | ||
1701 | <adi|home> i research | ||
1702 | <adi|home> i purchase | ||
1703 | <adi|home> i bank | ||
1704 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1705 | <adi|home> i talk with my gf | ||
1706 | <adi|home> i spend 'alone time' | ||
1707 | <adi|home> it has me ;) | ||
1708 | <gregh> i give $ to my gf | ||
1709 | <dwihno> :) | ||
1710 | <dwihno> MUD?! | ||
1711 | <adi|home> mud baby.. mud | ||
1712 | <dwihno> Hehe, I did that ages ago... Eww | ||
1713 | <gregh> I thought of a cool new feature for rockbox | ||
1714 | <dwihno> w | ||
1715 | <dwihno> w | ||
1716 | <dwihno> w | ||
1717 | <dwihno> forage | ||
1718 | <adi|home> hehehe yup | ||
1719 | <adi|home> w | ||
1720 | <adi|home> w | ||
1721 | <adi|home> e | ||
1722 | <adi|home> n | ||
1723 | <adi|home> n | ||
1724 | <g003y> who the heck has klez on the list? | ||
1725 | <dwihno> :) | ||
1726 | <adi|home> kill troll | ||
1727 | <adi|home> run west | ||
1728 | <adi|home> run west faster | ||
1729 | <adi|home> pray | ||
1730 | <adi|home> okya.. im off to quake a bit.. be back soon | ||
1731 | <dwihno> quakes0r! | ||
1732 | <dwihno> hm | ||
1733 | * dwihno goes to check the evil mailbox | ||
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1740 | <g003y> ok so now I know for sure I'm not the one with klez virus on my machine. | ||
1741 | <g003y> *back to your regular scheduled firmware hacking* | ||
1742 | --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
1743 | <adi|home> Bagder you check your mail recently? | ||
1744 | <Bagder> checking now | ||
1745 | <adi|home> k | ||
1746 | <adi|home> i want to know what you think of the guys question about his 'Archos Jukebox 6000' | ||
1747 | <adi|home> and my response, and then his response. | ||
1748 | * adi|home is feeling a bit peeved. | ||
1749 | <dwihno> Good morning Dr. Bagder | ||
1750 | <g003y> you mean the "mp3 no id3 info bug" one? | ||
1751 | <Bagder> his previous responses to other mails has proved him to be a bit "trigger happy" when it comes to reacting on mail content | ||
1752 | <adi|home> k... | ||
1753 | <adi|home> um.. am i out off line wanting to respond with 'fuck you' | ||
1754 | <adi|home> i won't.. | ||
1755 | <g003y> trigger happy... more like instant asshole. just add internet | ||
1756 | <adi|home> but im just asking | ||
1757 | <PsycoXul> hmm | ||
1758 | <adi|home> I mean.. am i wrong that his email doesn't make it obvious that he is using a studio? | ||
1759 | <PsycoXul> honestly i dunno what mp3 playback not working on the recorder has to do with a "No mp3 id info" message on a jukebox 6k... | ||
1760 | * adi|home wonders if he is supposed to have the _entire_ archos line memorized | ||
1761 | <PsycoXul> uh? | ||
1762 | <g003y> ya know what... don't waste anymore cycles on him. He can't even get on this irc server | ||
1763 | <PsycoXul> i think the lists getting too much crap lately | ||
1764 | <adi|home> am i correct in thinking that there is no archos 6000 recorder? | ||
1765 | <PsycoXul> 10 emails just with or about ones with viruses all pretty much at once | ||
1766 | <adi|home> yeah.. but those were automated | ||
1767 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1768 | <Bagder> adi; yes, the 6GB recorder is named "Recorder 6" | ||
1769 | <PsycoXul> is it? | ||
1770 | <Bagder> I think so | ||
1771 | <Bagder> hm | ||
1772 | <Bagder> or perhaps not | ||
1773 | <g003y> never seen on the site myself | ||
1774 | <PsycoXul> well they're not called "Jukebox 6000"s i'm pretty sure | ||
1775 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1776 | <Bagder> no, that's for sure at least | ||
1777 | <adi|home> so are there 2 versions? | ||
1778 | <Bagder> of recorders? | ||
1779 | <g003y> http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbrecorders.html | ||
1780 | <PsycoXul> first there was the jukebox 6000 | ||
1781 | <PsycoXul> the first player | ||
1782 | <PsycoXul> and then later they came out with the recorder | ||
1783 | <g003y> wow there is one.... never noticed before | ||
1784 | <PsycoXul> which was also initialy 6G i think | ||
1785 | * adi|home nods | ||
1786 | <PsycoXul> and the 20G versions and the 10G versions | ||
1787 | <PsycoXul> and best buy has had some 5G version of something too | ||
1788 | <Bagder> there are players: 6000/5000 Jukbox, Studio 10 and 20, Recorder 6, 10 and 20. | ||
1789 | * gregh is gone, sleep [l/on p/on] | ||
1790 | <Bagder> there's a 5GB recorder? | ||
1791 | <PsycoXul> i only know of the jukebox 5000 for 5GB | ||
1792 | <PsycoXul> i dunno | ||
1793 | <adi|home> might i spam the channel for a sec with my response before I send it just to him? | ||
1794 | * adi|home waits for a descenting vote | ||
1795 | <PsycoXul> die! | ||
1796 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1797 | <Bagder> you want my opinion? don't reply at all. | ||
1798 | <adi|home> but but but... he needs a spanking | ||
1799 | <PsycoXul> what for | ||
1800 | <adi|home> cause i responded to offer and answer to his question | ||
1801 | <adi|home> and he was a dick | ||
1802 | * adi|home gets all pouty | ||
1803 | <g003y> just email him this | ||
1804 | <g003y> http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ | ||
1805 | <g003y> classic | ||
1806 | <adi|home> lol | ||
1807 | <PsycoXul> well | ||
1808 | <adi|home> no no no... | ||
1809 | <PsycoXul> i wonder if you even read his question | ||
1810 | <PsycoXul> because honestly your answer had nothing to do with it in the least | ||
1811 | <PsycoXul> :p | ||
1812 | <adi|home> it does if you think about it | ||
1813 | <PsycoXul> he mentioned nothing about music playback for one thing | ||
1814 | <PsycoXul> he was talking about id3 info display | ||
1815 | <adi|home> think abou it... | ||
1816 | <adi|home> no.. he states thats the prob | ||
1817 | <adi|home> if you _know_ that music won't play | ||
1818 | <adi|home> why try and play an mp3? | ||
1819 | <adi|home> thats what i was pointing out | ||
1820 | * adi|home wonders if that made sense | ||
1821 | <PsycoXul> and the other thing is he said "jukebox 6000" which is all over the place on the web page and other places as being a player and the first target and having music playback working | ||
1822 | <adi|home> right, but how many emails do we get describing 'jukebox' | ||
1823 | <PsycoXul> and even if music playback doesn't work, why should that stop somebody from testing id3 info display? | ||
1824 | <adi|home> because he didn't state he was testing the id3 display | ||
1825 | <adi|home> he didn't state anything other then 'is this a bug' | ||
1826 | <PsycoXul> well gee i dunno | ||
1827 | <adi|home> and i was responding that if he was trying to _play_ music.. then no its not a bug | ||
1828 | <PsycoXul> asking about the display of the message "No mp3 id info" seems to imply something about id3 display | ||
1829 | <g003y> regardless no reason to snap like a pitbull reading usenet | ||
1830 | <adi|home> " but when | ||
1831 | <adi|home> I tried to play some other, real, mp3file" | ||
1832 | <g003y> "he's snapping at me. He's stripped his teeth" | ||
1833 | <adi|home> is he exact statemnt | ||
1834 | <adi|home> thats why i asked | ||
1835 | <PsycoXul> he said he selected a non-mp3 file by mistake, got a no id3 info message, then went to a mp3 file and still got the no id3 message | ||
1836 | <PsycoXul> and has to reboot to get the id3 info from an mp3 file | ||
1837 | <PsycoXul> it sounds like a bug to me | ||
1838 | <adi|home> right... | ||
1839 | <adi|home> but was it the rebooting.. or the display he was asking about... | ||
1840 | <adi|home> so thats what i was pointing out | ||
1841 | <PsycoXul> it sounds like he was dropping an e-mail about the bug... | ||
1842 | <adi|home> and franklky.. if he doesn't know enough to read that playback isn't playing on a recorder, then he doens't know enough to figure out how to leave the display | ||
1843 | <adi|home> but _which_ 'bug' | ||
1844 | <PsycoXul> heh | ||
1845 | <adi|home> thats my point | ||
1846 | <PsycoXul> the bug of id3 info not being displayed after having selected a non-mp3 file | ||
1847 | <PsycoXul> kindof a silly one i admit, but something that might be looked into :p | ||
1848 | <adi|home> but if its a recorder.. then its not a 'bug | ||
1849 | <Bagder> weird bug it is | ||
1850 | <adi|home> if your ead the website ;) | ||
1851 | <adi|home> read rather | ||
1852 | <PsycoXul> sure it is | ||
1853 | <PsycoXul> as i understand it the recorder shouldn't have a problem displaying id3 info | ||
1854 | <PsycoXul> even if you don't get music playback | ||
1855 | <g003y> what if you select a non-mp3 file? :D | ||
1856 | <PsycoXul> since he didn't even mention music playback though i don't think its worth worrying about in that respect | ||
1857 | <PsycoXul> and since he did say explicitly "Archos Jukebox 6000" which is also on the website as having music playback | ||
1858 | <PsycoXul> if you're intent on people reading the website | ||
1859 | <PsycoXul> :p | ||
1860 | <g003y> hehehehehe | ||
1861 | <adi|home> heheh true | ||
1862 | <PsycoXul> i'd have to agree with bagder and just drop it | ||
1863 | <g003y> I'd say that is your best route. | ||
1864 | <adi|home> yeah.. but pimp slapping is so much more fun. :) | ||
1865 | <PsycoXul> maybe but not really the purpose of the mailing list | ||
1866 | <PsycoXul> which, like i said before, is starting to get too much crap already as it is | ||
1867 | <adi|home> i know.. thats why i wasn't going to send to the list | ||
1868 | <adi|home> to him ;) | ||
1869 | <adi|home> if you read irc ;) | ||
1870 | <PsycoXul> ah well have fun if you want to | ||
1871 | <g003y> dang where is that old send a bitch slap site when you need it :D | ||
1872 | <PsycoXul> its your choice of course :p | ||
1873 | <g003y> if his is on the list long enough maybe he will get the klez virus. | ||
1874 | <g003y> his == he | ||
1875 | <g003y> I wonder who the heck keeps sending that damn thing to the list anyway. | ||
1876 | <Bagder> someone on the list is infected | ||
1877 | <adi|home> i really need to get my hands on a player | ||
1878 | <Bagder> there are ~166 suspects ;-) | ||
1879 | <adi|home> i blame it on the 'instant asshole' | ||
1880 | <adi|home> but hey, thats just me | ||
1881 | <adi|home> wow.. that many ? | ||
1882 | <g003y> hahahah | ||
1883 | <-- gregh has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | ||
1884 | <g003y> well make it ~165 cuz it ain't me :D | ||
1885 | <adi|home> 64 | ||
1886 | <Bagder> haha | ||
1887 | <adi|home> 164 | ||
1888 | <g003y> I scanned for grins even | ||
1889 | <Bagder> wc -l /home/majordom/lists/rockbox | ||
1890 | <Bagder> 162 /home/majordom/lists/rockbox | ||
1891 | <Bagder> I've suggested we lower the maximum mail size we allow to the list | ||
1892 | <adi|home> i swear.. i think archos choose the AA cable so that you _had- to buy them through them.. cause i can't find them anywhere | ||
1893 | <Bagder> it should stop most klezes | ||
1894 | <adi|home> im all for it | ||
1895 | <g003y> I got an extra AA fairly easy | ||
1896 | <g003y> but that was when I first picked up the _jukebox 6000_ | ||
1897 | <adi|home> ive looke everywhere | ||
1898 | <adi|home> best buy, compusa, radio shack | ||
1899 | <g003y> ugh... those places never have them | ||
1900 | <g003y> on line | ||
1901 | * adi|home noticed | ||
1902 | <g003y> I ordered | ||
1903 | <adi|home> ahh.. okay | ||
1904 | <adi|home> I just got my Atari today :) | ||
1905 | <adi|home> hehe 2600 baby... | ||
1906 | <g003y> how many carts? | ||
1907 | <adi|home> im at 20 or so | ||
1908 | <g003y> nice | ||
1909 | <adi|home> now i just need a converted for my tv | ||
1910 | <adi|home> i don't have the vhf clips on this tv :) | ||
1911 | <g003y> ratshack should have that | ||
1912 | <adi|home> know what sucks... | ||
1913 | <g003y> oh | ||
1914 | <adi|home> it was in perfect condition | ||
1915 | <adi|home> got a small chunk taken outta the edge in transit | ||
1916 | <g003y> damn.... | ||
1917 | <adi|home> the 3 small chips were in the box when i got it.. | ||
1918 | <adi|home> yeah :( | ||
1919 | <g003y> was that an ebay purchase? | ||
1920 | <adi|home> yup | ||
1921 | <adi|home> and the packing was very good | ||
1922 | <adi|home> that was the sucky thing | ||
1923 | <g003y> was it UPS or USPS? | ||
1924 | <adi|home> USPS | ||
1925 | <adi|home> priotiry insured | ||
1926 | <g003y> hmmm.... | ||
1927 | <g003y> I think they actually take the package when they pay out on a clain | ||
1928 | <g003y> clain == claim | ||
1929 | <adi|home> ick | ||
1930 | <adi|home> im not claiming.. | ||
1931 | <adi|home> im keeping this... | ||
1932 | <adi|home> only a small chip | ||
1933 | <g003y> if it works then don't bother | ||
1934 | <g003y> get a tv card, and mod that mofo onto your pc case :D | ||
1935 | <adi|home> lol | ||
1936 | <g003y> you get all the joysticks? | ||
1937 | <g003y> paddles | ||
1938 | <g003y> ? | ||
1939 | <adi|home> 2 sticks | ||
1940 | <adi|home> and 4 paddles | ||
1941 | <adi|home> i just need the ones with keypads | ||
1942 | <g003y> I thought those were Intellivision | ||
1943 | * adi|home nods | ||
1944 | <adi|home> but if i remember atari made them as well | ||
1945 | <adi|home> but im not positive | ||
1946 | <g003y> well coleco had them too | ||
1947 | <g003y> but only the rich kids had coleco :D | ||
1948 | <adi|home> hehehe | ||
1949 | <g003y> maybe that is a generalization, but I definitely couldn't afford one & I wasn't rich | ||
1950 | <adi|home> i was crushed when i talked to my nephew.. and i showed him pics of the atari screens | ||
1951 | <adi|home> he just went 'eww.. whats that?' | ||
1952 | <g003y> hahahahahahahahahaha | ||
1953 | <g003y> kids need that high res these days | ||
1954 | <adi|home> nods | ||
1955 | <adi|home> "what do you mean no blood?" | ||
1956 | <g003y> "what is that dot?" "It's a tank bullet" | ||
1957 | <adi|home> hehehe | ||
1958 | <adi|home> i told him about pong... | ||
1959 | <g003y> hah.... | ||
1960 | <adi|home> and died when he said 'and you called that fun? ' | ||
1961 | <g003y> just wait until his kids are playing games in supa-high 33330003030303x397439847984374987 sssvga organic wall tft screens | ||
1962 | <g003y> when games have to be written slow on purpose cuz they can't max the hardware anymore. | ||
1963 | <adi|home> LOL | ||
1964 | <adi|home> Dad! Dad! can i buy the Nuerel-NetStation 3? | ||
1965 | <adi|home> its only 765$!!! | ||
1966 | <adi|home> On Sale! | ||
1967 | <g003y> hahaha | ||
1968 | <adi|home> holy christ | ||
1969 | <g003y> no kidding | ||
1970 | <adi|home> anyone else watching the brasil costa rica game? | ||
1971 | <g003y> nope | ||
1972 | * adi|home hates mentionging scores case anyone is taping it | ||
1973 | <g003y> don't have cable so I've only been getting the next day tappings at work if someone brings them | ||
1974 | * adi|home nods | ||
1975 | >g003y< brasil has 3 goals in 30 mins | ||
1976 | <adi|home> okay.. off to quake a bit | ||
1977 | <g003y> hmmm... quake. | ||
1978 | <g003y> reminds me... I need to finish gta3 | ||
1979 | --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-203-101-206.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox | ||
1980 | <dwihno> and france+argentina sucks donkey-balls :) | ||
1981 | * Bagder writes boring code at work... -/ | ||
1982 | --> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox | ||
1983 | <Zagor> hey all. i'm taking down the web and mail server for hardware updates | ||
1984 | <Bagder> affirmative | ||
1985 | <Zagor> see you soon | ||
1986 | <-- Zagor has quit (Client Quit) | ||
1987 | --- Disconnected (22). | ||
1988 | **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 13 04:35:39 2002 | ||