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+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 16 07:32:17 2002
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+--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+--- Topic for #rockbox is Open Source Jukebox Firmware - http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+--- Topic for #rockbox set by Zagor at Fri Apr 12 15:45:52
+--> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.214) has joined #rockbox
+--> Zagor2 (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+--- Zagor2 is now known as Zagor
+--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+--- Bagder gives channel operator status to Zagor
+--- Bagder gives channel operator status to Linus
+<Bagder> $ mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos
+<Bagder> mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
+<Bagder> everything's the same as with my previous usb stuff
+<Bagder> I only added the EHCI module
+<Zagor> what does the kernel log look like when you plug in the device?
+<Bagder> hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/4, assigned device number 2
+<Linus> Bagder: how is the Recorder formatted?
+<Linus> or rather partitioned?
+<Bagder> there's no difference 
+<Bagder> it worked with my usb1.1
+<Linus> Have you tried /dev/hda?
+<Linus> And what sayeth your /proc filesystem?
+<Linus> I am a moron. Of course I mean /dev/sda.
+<Bagder> my /proc says a lot of course, any specifics?
+<Zagor> /proc/scsi/scsi
+<Linus> /proc/scsi/usb-storage or /proc/scsi/scsi
+<Bagder> hm
+<Bagder> $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi
+<Bagder> Segmentation fault
+<Zagor> ooh
+<Linus> Ouch!
+<Bagder> should I take away some of the other usb stuffs when I use ehci?
+<Zagor> i don't think that should be necessary
+<Bagder> this happened before too
+<Bagder> when I used the wrong usb module
+<Bagder> ohci
+<Zagor> although i use usb as modules, so i rarely have everything loaded at the same time
+<Bagder> well, since they must be modules I do too
+<Zagor> they must be?
+<Bagder> dunno for the new one though
+<Bagder> yes
+<Bagder> the other ones must be
+<Bagder> at least for the menu stuff to work
+<Zagor> i didn't know that
+<Zagor> try /proc/bus/usb/devices
+<Bagder> it might work to fiddle in the .config
+<Bagder> and what am I looking for in there?
+<Linus> Bagder: do you have a directory called /proc/scsi/usb-storage-*?
+<Zagor> the isd300
+<Bagder> Vendor=05ab ProdID=0060 ?
+<Zagor> yes
+<Linus> Bagder: are you sure that the usb-storage module is loaded?
+<Bagder> no
+<Linus> Check.
+<Zagor> :)
+<Bagder> so I need two modules?
+<Zagor> the usb driver and usb-storage, yse
+<Zagor> yes
+<Bagder> didn't need that before...
+<Zagor> in that case it was compiled-in
+<Linus> Yes you did.
+<Bagder> oh
+<Bagder> I have that one built-in
+<Zagor> hmm
+<Linus> Sounds strange. You could try to have usb-storage as a module instead
+<Bagder> yeps
+<Bagder> reboot pending
+<Bagder> I did in fact try it under windows yesterday ;-)
+* Bagder hides
+<Linus> *slap* (misses)
+<Zagor> looser
+<Bagder> I also tried to setup "internet sharing" in win98
+<Linus> HAHAHA!
+<Bagder> but failed to miserable I felt pain
+<Bagder> so miserably even
+<Zagor> you really are gullible... :)
+<Bagder> it is *supposed* to work
+<Linus> It does. But you have to know the secret handshake
+<Bagder> it of course ended up with me having *three* cards defined and none of them were having my correct IP addresses
+<Bagder> *g*
+<Bagder> so it took 20 minutes to clean it all up again and get back to where I started ;-)
+<Bagder> ... then I rebooted back to Linux 
+<Bagder> phew
+<Bagder> reboot
+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 16 10:18:30 2002
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+--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+--- Topic for #rockbox is Open Source Jukebox Firmware - http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+--- Topic for #rockbox set by Zagor at Fri Apr 12 15:45:52
+<Linus> Thanks!
+<wavey> i bet the archos guys themselves are impressed at that
+<Bagder> they should be at least
+<wavey> wait until they see our screen savers :)
+<Linus> I suspect that the Archos guys also used the serial port for debugging
+<Zagor> I'm curious if anyone at Archos has heard about our project yet
+<Bagder> right, I added the drawline function the other day
+<Zagor> Bagder: how's the menu ideas coming along?
+<wavey> Zagor: maybe. but they don't seem overly responsive for fixes or ideas from the public - so maybe they just don't give a shit?
+<Bagder> Zagor: not much there yet
+<wavey> my mate has the 1.26 rom, i'd like to know what changes went in
+<wavey> the lists don't seem to indicate much changed
+<Bagder> I'd like to see an API for reading keys
+<Linus> Write one
+<Bagder> then I can fake both input and display in the simulator
+<Bagder> and produce something to try a menu system on
+<Linus> Write one
+<Bagder> I know I should
+<Bagder> again
+<Bagder> I need to take Alan code
+<Bagder> and Gary code
+<Bagder> and unity them
+<Bagder> unite even
+<Linus> Merge on. You have my full support. :-)
+<Bagder> thanks, there's only the time issue left then ;-)
+<Linus> Caffeine does wonders with time
+<Bagder> hahaha
+<Zagor> oh, you're not doing anything useful anyway ;)
+<Linus> "Charging batteries" (internal joke)
+<Bagder> oh, how did you know? ;-)
+<Bagder> speaking of charging batteries, that's a man who we should "lure" in here to get started on some work :-)
+<Bagder> Kjell
+<Linus> That man can really do screensavers!
+<Bagder> hehe right
+<Bagder> we need a math library ;-)
+<Bagder> Alan would love that!
+* Bagder giggles
+
+* Linus is having a Monty Python deja-vu
+<Zagor> i was living in a cardboard box in the middle of the road
+<Zagor> every morning we had to get up and lick the road clean
+<Bagder> luxury!
+<Linus> You were fortunate!
+<Bagder> is there any way we can wait for a key input without just while()ing in a read?
+<Bagder> I mean there's no irq or something?
+<Zagor> i don't think so
+<Zagor> nope
+<Bagder> ok
+<Zagor> PA[12-15] and PB[12-15] can trigger interrupts, but none of them are connected to a key
+<Bagder> Alan's key.h file sure is confusing to me
+<Bagder> well, perhaps not
+<Bagder> but quite not what I want
+<Zagor> uhhh, not a pretty sight
+<Bagder> Gary's is more in my line of thinking
+<wavey> anyone familiar with cygwin's setup process? how do i find out how to get a copy of /usr/share/dict?
+<wavey> bah
+<Zagor> i've never used cygwin
+<wavey> perhaps i'll reboot into linux
+<Bagder> I'll give ya a URL if you want
+<wavey> please
+<Bagder> I mean, the raw file
+<wavey> ah, i can get that myself thanks anyhow
+<Bagder> ok
+<wavey> just wanted to get the proper cygwin version
+<wavey> you know how interdependent these things can be
+<wavey> you guys redhat or debian users/
+<Zagor> both :)
+<wavey> ok
+<wavey> i love debian
+<wavey> to death
+* Bagder has a redhat 6 something, patched beyond recognition
+<Zagor> i'm a long-time redhat user and a recent debian convert
+<wavey> i remember installing slackware using 20+ floppies
+<wavey> those were the days
+<Zagor> hehe
+<wavey> 386 
+<wavey> 16 MB ram
+<wavey> and my system kicked ass :)
+<Zagor> which kernel version was that?
+<wavey> wow
+<wavey> that's going back some
+<wavey> about a year before 2.0
+* Bagder got the 0.01 kernel on a CD with a book he bought recently
+<Zagor> empty cd...
+<Bagder> well, there were other kernel releases too ;-)
+<Zagor> ah
+<Bagder> "Linux core kernel code commentary"
+<Bagder> nice reading before falling asleep at night ;-)
+<Zagor> that's cheating!
+<wavey> the oreilly kernel book is very good
+<Bagder> I got that one too
+<Bagder> device drivers volume 2
+* Zagor has a bloody zoo in the bookshelf
+<wavey> heh yeah
+<wavey> luckily they expense books at my current company
+<wavey> i bought 40 over the last couple years
+<Zagor> yeah, same here
+<wavey> i stroke my bookshelf at night
+<Zagor> hehe
+<Bagder> hahaha
+<wavey> my fiancee is getting jealous
+<wavey> is the device drivers book worth getting?
+* Bagder 's wife fainted when she saw the "kernel commentary" book ;-)
+<wavey> i was tempted
+<Bagder> "what *is* that!" ;-)
+<Linus> The device drivers book is a must
+* wavey makes mental note
+<Bagder> do we have any good pictures of a player and a recorder taken on the keys/lcd ?
+<Bagder> ah http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/internals/archos1.jpg is a good one on the player
+<Bagder> we have no good ones of the recorder though
+<Zagor> i can take some
+<Bagder> I'd like a web page with two frontal pics next to each other
+<Bagder> player/recorder
+<Bagder> makes it more clear to people (and me) how much they differ
+* Bagder thinks ui/input stuff
+<Zagor> ok
+* Linus is starving
+<Zagor> preferrably with the displays lit
+<Zagor> off to lunch
+<Bagder> yes
+<Linus> Lunch!!!
+<Bagder> food
+**** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 16 11:52:45 2002
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