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+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 25 08:57:45 2002
+
+--> Bagder (~daniel@217.215.72.110) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder> hey
+--- adiamas has changed the topic to: hacking the Archos Jukebox http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+<adiamas> hey there...
+<adiamas> i was about to call it a night and head to sleep
+<adiamas> didn't expect anyone in this quick :)
+<Bagder> hehe, its morning here ;-)
+<adiamas> hehe i _just_ sent the email like 30 secs ago :)
+<Bagder> yeps
+<Bagder> hehe
+<adiamas> glad to see someone saw it...
+<adiamas> you located in europe...
+<Bagder> yes
+<adiamas> where in?
+<Bagder> Sweden
+<adiamas> hehe well.. your first in so.. here
+--- adiamas gives channel operator status to Bagder
+<Bagder> :-)
+<adiamas> someone who's awake should have some control...
+<Bagder> I'm Björn's brother actually
+<adiamas> ahh... hehe seems he got followers pretty quickly.
+<Bagder> indeed
+<adiamas> and pretty varied at that... Im here in the USA.
+* adiamas shrugs
+<Bagder> there are 77 subscribers of the mailing list
+<adiamas> wow, that was quick
+<adiamas> only been 3-4 months yes?
+<Bagder> yeah, since about december
+<Bagder> BTW, I think making a FAQ sounds like a great idea
+* adiamas smiles happily
+<adiamas> im just not to sure on how technical to go on it, but i figure even something is a start
+<adiamas> will you be sitting in the room most the day or you plan on logging off?
+<Bagder> exactly, just start somewhere and it'll grow into place
+<Bagder> I don't know 
+<adiamas> i really need sleep.  work in 6 hours.
+<adiamas> ok...
+<adiamas> im going to idle till i get up for work
+<adiamas> ill see you later
+<Bagder> see ya
+--> adiamas|sleeping (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-78.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox
+--- adiamas gives channel operator status to adiamas|sleeping
+<-- adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-78.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has left #rockbox ("Client Exiting")
+--- Bagder sets mode +t #rockbox
+<adiamas|sleeping> what is mode +t?
+<Bagder> prevent non-ops to set topic
+<adiamas|sleeping> ahhh... k
+<adiamas|sleeping> gotta learn that stuff...
+* Bagder is an old IRC-bot author... :-)
+<adiamas|sleeping> heheh i only started on irc about a year ago...
+<Bagder> I stopped writing the bot many years ago...
+<Bagder> first time on irc was 1993
+<adiamas|sleeping> i was just getting into computers at that point 
+<adiamas|sleeping> i miss that old 1200 modem 
+<Bagder> :-)
+<Bagder> now go to sleep! ;-)
+<adiamas|sleeping> hehehe
+<adiamas|sleeping> nite
+--> wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has joined #rockbox
+<wavey> anyone awake?
+<Bagder> yeps
+<wavey> coolio
+<wavey> how you doing?
+<Bagder> pretty good. You?
+<wavey> yup
+<wavey> you interested in coding for the archos then?
+<Bagder> I am, and I intend to ;-)
+<wavey> likewise..
+<wavey> got the player or recorder?
+<wavey> or both?
+<Bagder> recorder, I'm Daniel who posted to the mailing list just an hour ago 
+<wavey> aha
+<wavey> nice to meet you :)
+<wavey> i mailed out a few qs to the list several weeks ago
+<Bagder> name?
+<wavey> stuart martin
+<Bagder> right, I read them ;-)
+<wavey> the archos is pretty funky, but flaky as shit
+<wavey> mine's got a dodgy contact in the earphone socket
+<wavey> probably going to resolder it
+<Bagder> I just got mine, haven't really had time to do much yet ;-)
+<wavey> i do love it
+<wavey> but i just wish it had sony's build 
+<Bagder> I'll get the serial port hack soon and start coding it
+<wavey> interesting to hear you got 8 cells..
+<Bagder> Linus has a fully working gdb stub now
+<wavey> yeah, very impressed to read that
+<wavey> i know *no* electronics..
+<wavey> i'm waiting for the low-level shit to be completed :)
+<wavey> then i can start helping
+<Bagder> hehe
+<wavey> :)
+<Bagder> I'm not *that* low-level myself, I start on assembler ;-) I can't do much electronics
+<wavey> heh, assembler i'm happy with.
+<wavey> working out which wire to cut, i'm not :)
+<Bagder> I think that makes us on the same level more or less ;-)
+<wavey> groovy
+<wavey> the UI is going to be interesting
+<Bagder> luckily we have those guys around us to work out those stuff
+<wavey> i think we should maybe list the features we want and start prioritising them
+<wavey> then start mocking up UI images 
+<Bagder> yeah
+<wavey> should be fun working with small screen realestate
+<Bagder> I would like to write some kind of UI simulator
+<wavey> interesting.. go on
+<Bagder> to enable us to work on UI stuff without having to bother with the actual hardware
+<wavey> yup
+<wavey> cool idea
+<wavey> i guess we'll need to pre-empt the low level services available to the UI
+<Bagder> I'm a Linux dude myself, so I'd go for a X-display
+<wavey> me too
+<wavey> although i find windoze usable too with enough cywin and emacs layers on top ;)
+<Bagder> the UI stuff would be built-up with a minor set of graphics functions, and we could probably just replace those functions with a set that draws X instead
+<wavey> is this channel logged?
+<wavey> could be useful 
+<Bagder> I log it
+<wavey> coolio
+<Bagder> I think I have some basic X11-code that pops up a window and allows me to draw in it, which could be a start
+<wavey> cool
+<wavey> how long until it reads mail and displays webpages too? ;)
+<Bagder> *g*
+<Bagder> if we just get enough people to join in, there's nothing to stop us ;-)
+<wavey> damn right :)
+<wavey> the player/recorder screen diffs are a shame
+<Bagder> yes indeed
+<wavey> i wonder if project focus will be on the recorder
+<wavey> or the player
+<wavey> bjorn's initial investigations were on the player
+<Bagder> yeps
+<Bagder> but now he has both
+<wavey> but he bought a recorder iirc
+<wavey> yeah cool
+<Bagder> and so does Linus
+<wavey> cool
+<Bagder> and Björn's player CPU is damaged ;-)
+<wavey> heh
+<Bagder> or should I say :-(
+<wavey> how'd he damage the cpu?
+<Bagder> the serial port is broken
+<Bagder> it isn't normally used, so he hasn't noticed 
+<wavey> what timezone you in?
+<wavey> i'm in london
+<Bagder> Sweden, +1 from you
+<wavey> you friends with linus and bjorn?
+<wavey> or just coincidence?
+<-- wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has left #rockbox
+--> wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has joined #rockbox
+<wavey> shit
+<Bagder> yeah, Björn's my brother and Linus is an old time friend. We work at the same company
+<wavey> aha :)
+<Bagder> all three opf us
+<wavey> i work as a j2ee consultant for a company with a swedish office
+<wavey> we got some of them over here now cos the market in .se is pretty weak
+<Bagder> yes it seems to be
+<Bagder> I'm doing embedded/realtime programming as a consultant
+<wavey> cool 
+<wavey> which processor?
+<Bagder> right now, StrongARM
+<wavey> cool
+<wavey> i've only done 68K assembler but loved it
+<Bagder> arm assembler in general is cool, it has conditionals on *all* instructions
+<wavey> madness :)
+<Bagder> hehe, yeah
+<wavey> I moved into OO years ago, and wouldn't go back
+<wavey> pure elegance
+<wavey> (if you get it right) :)
+<Bagder> hehe, so they say... :-)
+<wavey> how far would you wanna see this simulator go?
+<wavey> button presses triggering song launching/pausing etc?
+<Bagder> it all comes down to much much we feel its worth
+<wavey> aye
+<wavey> i think perhaps the first stage might be to sketch UI ideas
+<Bagder> we could probably make more or less a complete simulator, should we want and have the eneergy 
+<Bagder> yes
+<wavey> and that means identifiying the key aspects
+<wavey> and voting on inclusion
+<wavey> or doing a bjorn and ignoring the votes :)
+<Bagder> we can start on UI basics and ideas first, without even think code
+<Bagder> hehe
+<wavey> ok
+<wavey> how about throwing that to the mail list 
+<wavey> give us your wants
+<wavey> or perhaps we can envisage most of that already
+<wavey> toggle m3u display/filename
+<wavey> scrolling/non scrolling
+<wavey> level meters
+<wavey> time
+<wavey> power
+<wavey> mode
+<wavey> vol
+<wavey> button names
+<wavey> eyecandy plugins
+<Bagder> imho, we must focus on getting the basic stuff there first, to allow us to play songs as that would help the guys working on those parts (mp3, filesystem etc)
+<wavey> of course
+<wavey> but a basic UI is trivial
+<wavey> just a button label
+<Bagder> yes, that's true
+<wavey> while they are developing that
+<wavey> we can look to the medium term
+<Bagder> right
+<wavey> and of course, we need emacs ported to it :)
+* Bagder grins
+<wavey> i remember when i started coding for  the gameboy advance people started talking about porting linux
+<wavey> so so funny
+<Bagder> feel free to post a summary to the list, could be useful
+<wavey> but it always happens :)
+<Bagder> yes it does
+<Bagder> it'll happen here too soon :-)
+<wavey> did you fill your 20GB capacity yet?
+<wavey> i did mine in an hour and a half :)
+<Bagder> heh, no, but I don't really use it yet either
+<wavey> bought a usb 2 pci card
+<Bagder> I stream mp3 from my home-box to work
+<wavey> i haven't had mine from my side since i bought it in january
+<Bagder> I've ordered a usb2 card too
+<Bagder> I finally bought mine now since I was supposed to stop my project here and thus I wasn't sure I could still listen to my stream, but now I've got another assignment at the same palce so I can continue listening to it...
+<wavey> heh
+<wavey> typical
+<Bagder> well, I want to code it anyway, so I guess that'll be my primary use for it ;-)
+<wavey> i prefer to use the recorder despite being in front of a computer because it means i get more bandwidth..
+<wavey> and i can get up and move around without killing the sound 
+<Bagder> :-)
+* Bagder runs for more coffee
+<wavey> i've always hated stopping music :)
+<wavey> i'll leave the cd player running when i leave the house sometimes. stupid huh? :)
+--> gizz (~gizz@ALyon-102-2-1-77.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #rockbox
+<wavey> howdy
+<gizz> heya !
+<Bagder> g'day
+<gizz> did I miss some hot talks ?? :)
+<wavey> not really
+<wavey> that's on #sex
+* wavey chuckles
+<gizz> hehe
+<wavey> or perhaps #hotsex
+<gizz> you => Juke hacker ?
+<Bagder> we're wannabe archos hackers ;-)
+<gizz> great!
+<gizz> player or recorder ?
+<gizz> => I'm a poor player owner,
+* Bagder has a Recorder
+<wavey> recorder also
+<wavey> we've been discussing some ideas for the UI
+<wavey> but nothing really worthy of capture yet
+<gizz> ok
+<gizz> problem is,
+<gizz> to me player & recorder are very different
+<wavey> yus
+<wavey> shame
+<Bagder> yes, we'll need to make two UIs as they'll be quite different
+<gizz> but is it worth it ?
+<gizz> I mean,
+<gizz> does player owe to be supported ever ?
+<wavey> well, if people here want to support it, it'll be supported..
+<wavey> the underlying functions of the firmware will be mostly similar between the two
+<gizz> right!
+<Bagder> indeed, and except for display+keys, msot of the internals are the same
+<wavey> need a UI strategy
+<wavey> the recorder is likely to be supported better because it's cooler..
+<wavey> (UI) anyway
+<gizz> good point
+<gizz> So,
+<gizz> UI guys
+<gizz> should make good design decision,
+<gizz> in order for the to Juke-races to be supported, at least
+<gizz> at low level,
+<wavey> juke-races?
+<gizz> races : sorts
+<wavey> ok
+<gizz> hmm, models.. :)
+<wavey> understood :)
+<gizz> .. but at UI level,
+<gizz> they will be supported (very) differently,
+<wavey> aye
+<gizz> and of cours, recorder owners will be happier :)
+<gizz> One thing :
+<gizz> on my player, when pleying with custom chars (font)
+<gizz> I tried to draw two bitmaps through thos custom chars,
+<gizz> (as if custom chars datas where some sort of 'video memory')
+<gizz> and then, I thought we could just modify this 'video memory' at will,
+<gizz> to simulate some pixel screen
+<gizz> but the result wasn't quite good (many pixels where too far from each other, due to space between chars)
+<gizz> That's all... :)
+<gizz> Did you try to draw some stuff on your recorder ?
+<wavey> nope
+<wavey> I compiled the player firmware on my box, but haven't tried a recorder one
+<Bagder> I just got mine, I intend to get the gdb-stub approach working first
+<gizz> ok; If recorder prices get lower, I think I'll move to it
+<wavey> gizz: nice idea with the video memory
+<gizz> vid mem : well, in all cases, that would produce an 14 * 55 screen :) (if I remember well)
+<wavey> 14 pixels is pretty damn limiting :)
+<Bagder> amen
+<wavey> remind me what the recorder has?
+<gizz> oh
+<wavey> time to mock up some screens to get the juices flowing
+<gizz> maybe 131 * 64 or better ??
+<Bagder> 112x64
+<gizz> cool resolution !!
+<gizz> (slightly less than HP48 ;o)
+<Bagder> can't wait to get some games going ;-)
+<gizz> If only I had a recorder, I could try to port some
+<gizz> nifty HP48 100% assembly games :o)
+<Bagder> hehe
+<gizz> (with scrolling, sprites, grey level, etc.. :)
+<Bagder> it has sprites?
+<gizz> Never played Columns II on HP48 ??
+<gizz> sprites : yes !
+<Bagder> gosh
+<gizz> what about : Arkanoid, Skweeks, 
+<gizz> Xennon,
+<gizz> or even : Doom, grey-level, with monsters, textures, and multiplayers ?
+<gizz> (well, two players, with serial cable)
+<Bagder> nah, let's aim for PPP over the USB and have full internet access ;-)
+<gizz> LOL
+<gizz> hey, I've got an idea : I'm gonna try the grey-level tricks tonight, just to see if it works :)ā
+<gizz> you at home, or at work ?
+<Bagder> work
+* gizz too :)
+<Bagder> ssh'ed to home
+<gizz> cool !
+<gizz> => i'll back later then.. :)
+<gizz> bye !
+<Bagder> bye
+<-- gizz has quit ("Leaving")
+<wavey> damn
+<wavey> missed the important bit
+<wavey> sprites!
+<wavey> lovely :)
+<Bagder> yeah, that would be great ;-)
+<wavey> i can imagine some nice visualisations coming out of this
+<wavey> eyecandy is important :)
+<Bagder> indeed it is
+<wavey>  112x64
+* wavey opens psp
+<wavey> wow
+<wavey> it's really really small :)
+<wavey> this is going to be interesting
+<wavey> are there character fonts built in to the recorder or is it purely bitmapped?
+<Bagder> pure bitmaps, as I've understood it, but the font is stored as separate bitmaps
+<Bagder> as the pics on http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/notes.html shows
+<wavey> ah yes
+<wavey> the project went pretty quiet for a while
+<wavey> forgot the basics
+<Bagder> yeah, after the initial burst there has been some silence and hard work at the side
+<wavey>  so
+<Bagder> intial, still very basic, ui-simulator seems to work
+<wavey> hey nice
+<Bagder> pops up window, can draw in it etc
+<wavey> lovely
+<wavey> is it worth trying to identify key functional areas, and see how they lead to a UI requirement?
+<wavey> 1. start playing
+<wavey> 2. pause playing
+<wavey> 3. stop playing
+<wavey> 4. increase volume
+<wavey> 5 decrease volume
+<wavey> are these the fundamental ones?
+<wavey> playlist etc extend this
+<Bagder> yes they're the basics
+<Bagder> without them, there is no player
+<wavey> ok, playlist operations are another
+<wavey> and file operations are another
+<wavey> level meters
+<wavey> balance control
+<wavey> timekeeping
+<wavey> playlist on the recorder firmware is simple
+<wavey> add to playlist
+<wavey> play list
+<wavey> play list randomly
+<wavey> delete from list
+<wavey> next in list
+<wavey> back in list
+<Bagder> hey, I haven't understood how the playlist works yet ;-)
+<wavey> i figured :)
+<wavey> hence the recap :)
+<wavey> how much was your recorder?
+<Bagder> I'm not sure... I had a friend order it for me
+<wavey> point 1) above assumes a file can be identified from the hdd
+<wavey> which kinda presupposes some file operations are needed at the start
+<wavey> i.e. browse
+<Bagder> right, filesystem support is essential
+<wavey> shall we propose 2 main UI iterations, with the first being 1-5 above + browse filesystem
+<wavey> and the 2nd being the one with the extra fluff like balance control, timekeeping etc?
+<Bagder> sounds wise, yes
+<wavey> do you have your recorder with you now?
+<Bagder> no
+<wavey> the level meters take up 1/4 of the screen!
+<wavey> ridiculous
+<wavey> i mean, who cares?
+<Bagder> they're quite silly, I agree
+<wavey> and the three timers are silly
+* Bagder tries to get Björn here 
+--> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder> there he is ;-)
+<wavey> hey bjorn
+<wavey> nice to meet you
+<Zagor> hey there guys
+<wavey> i'm sure daniel's filled you in on our discussions so far
+<wavey> trying to identify a) the minimum UI
+<Zagor> ah, no not really
+<wavey> to enable testing of firmware code
+<wavey> and b) a candidate full-featured UI
+<wavey> with bells and whistles
+<wavey> a) needs file browsing support, plus play/pause/stop file + volume control
+<wavey> b) has playlist control, m3u display, balance control, etc
+<Bagder> so Zagor, you ok with me creating a subdir in CVS and importing my initial X11 UI stuff?
+<wavey> and a funky lil' gui
+<Zagor> bagder: sure. maybe something called 'simulator' or similar, to clearly show it's not the "real" code
+<Bagder> righ, I'll go for simulator
+<wavey> i'd be more explicit
+<Zagor> well, my first thought when i threw this item on Daniel was,
+<wavey> from experience, naming becomes important in directory structures
+<Zagor> that it'd be a good thing if we can have the basic menu system the same for the two models
+<Zagor> not so much the graphic bits, more the underlying framework
+<wavey> sure
+<wavey> sensible
+<Bagder> ok, so 'uisimulator' then ;-)
+<wavey> sounds great to me
+<Zagor> (note: i'm at work, so I'll be idle from now and then)
+<wavey> likewise
+<wavey> in london
+<Bagder> ah, you guys work at work? :-]
+<Zagor> sometimes :)
+<Bagder> Zagor: with gaim, how the heck do I create an account?
+<Zagor> hmm
+<Zagor> i don't know :-)
+<Zagor> didn't you have an account before?
+<Bagder> me neither, it just asks for a name and password
+<Bagder> I used icq ages ago, yes I had an account but only god knows which name and password I used then
+<Zagor> you need to specify that you are using the 'oscar' protocol, otherwise it will try to log you on as an AIM account
+<Zagor> ok
+<Bagder> ah, I need to go and do it on a web page...
+<wavey> i like the ascii rockbox logo, bagder
+<Zagor> that'll probably be easiest, yes
+<Bagder> figlet is cool ;-)
+<Zagor> yeah, it's cool!
+<wavey> figlet rocks :)
+<Zagor> so, did you come up with some ideas about the GUI?
+<wavey> some
+<wavey> nothing graphical
+<wavey> functional requirements
+<wavey> and no real thought to the player/recorder split
+<wavey> except that the player's size is very limiting
+<Zagor> yes, indeed
+<wavey> and i'd like to see some visualisation eyecandy
+<Zagor> i nice big on-screen Archos would be cool :-)
+<wavey> you mean a floating logo?
+<Zagor> no i was thinking the simulated gui
+<wavey> or a representation of the player itself
+<Zagor> yes
+<wavey> ah yes
+<wavey> is the simulator going to simulate the screen or the player as a whole?
+<wavey> and isn't that an emulator? ;)
+<Bagder> I think we start with only the screen
+<Bagder> and then we'll see if we're up to making it a complete emulator
+<Zagor> yes
+<wavey> i'll leave the sh1 emulation to others :)
+<Zagor> hehe
+<Bagder> I've imported the uisimulator code to CVS now
+<wavey> gizz was talking about the chip being able to support sprites :)
+<wavey> and porting games to it :)
+<Zagor> hehe
+<Bagder> actually, he said the HP48 had them
+<Zagor> grand plans!
+<wavey> my recorder is only 3 months old but i think tetris would kill the plasticy buttons on it
+<wavey> bad: ah!
+<wavey> that's a shame
+<wavey> but not really suprising :)
+<wavey> i'd be happy with no games but a firmware that didn't suck ass
+<Bagder> did anyone make a C array of the fonts for the Recorder?
+<Bagder> Zagor ?
+<Zagor> not that i know
+<Bagder> kind of boring work... :-)
+<wavey> can't you extract the data from existing firmware as a linear array?
+<wavey> or is that copyrighted
+<wavey> i guess it is
+<Bagder> yes it is
+<wavey> but who could tell? :)
+<Zagor> well we don't really need those exact fonts
+<Zagor> there are tons of good fonts out there
+<wavey> agreed
+<wavey> but not at 5x7
+<Zagor> maybe not tons, but a few at least
+<Zagor> linus had some ideas, but he's not here right now
+<wavey> excellent work he did with the gdb integration
+<Zagor> yeah, very nice
+<Bagder> that'll be *so* handy
+<Zagor> he plans to write a program loader too, so we can select firmware at start. that'll be nice too.
+<Zagor> he's a cool guy :)
+<wavey> very nice
+<Bagder> hahah, just don't tell him that ;-)
+<Zagor> i wouldn't dream of it ;*)
+<Zagor> btw, i think we should aim for proportional fonts on the recorder
+<Zagor> there's too little room to waste it on blanks :)
+<wavey> if we do it properly, we can have it as a user option
+<Zagor> yes
+<wavey> as a user, i'd rather have the entire display taken up with the song details, rather than the stupid level meters
+<wavey> but hopefully we can cater to all tastes via options
+<Zagor> yes. open season on level meters...
+<wavey> especially ones that take up a quarter of the screen!
+<Zagor> bagder, do you have code for font handling? i have written some if you need it.
+<Bagder> I need it
+<Bagder> I only have the XDrawString() but it isn't what we want ;-)
+<Zagor> ok, i'll mail it to you
+<Bagder> did anyone write code that draws stuff on the recorder?
+<Zagor> yes, look on the rockbox front page
+<Zagor> there's a link in the news swction
+<Bagder> found it
+<Bagder> he has a font table in there...
+<Zagor> ah
+<Bagder> this code is quite good
+<Zagor> bagder: look at drawText() in the code I sent you. it's the relevant portion
+<Bagder> this works with the included font, right?
+<Zagor> yes
+<Bagder> well, if we have a font defined, making it output proportional won't be hard
+<Zagor> no
+<Zagor> my point exactly :)
+<Bagder> the trickiest part is probably to make it look the same on Linux ;-)
+<Zagor> really? can't you just allocate a bitmap and pixel-write to it?
+<Bagder> probably, I'm just not very good at those X-calls. I'll need to chase around a bit
+<Zagor> chase around? well, that's what we're here for, innit? ;)
+<Bagder> I'm not complaining, I'm only saying how it looks ;-)
+<wavey> isn't raw X wrapped by gnome or something these days if you want to make it easier?
+<Zagor> yeah
+<Bagder> perhaps
+<Bagder> I'm not sure it makes things easier at this point
+<Bagder> we already pop up a window and we can draw in it
+<wavey> true
+<Bagder> besides, not using gtk or qt makes our program even more portable
+<Bagder> not that it matters very much of course
+<wavey> what's the main purpose of the ui simulator?
+<wavey> to see how things look?
+<Bagder> yes
+<Bagder> if we make generic input functions we can drive it too
+<Bagder> to try the feel too
+<wavey> i'm not expressing myself clearly, i fear
+<wavey> um
+<wavey> does it give you more than mock ups would?
+<wavey> does it give you any real code for the archos itself?
+<Bagder> yes, it will
+<Zagor> that's the idea
+<wavey> ok cool
+<wavey> just getting it clear
+<Bagder> maybe not just now, but that's the purpose of it all
+<wavey> cool
+<wavey> coffee time
+<wavey> bbl
+<Bagder> sigh, our coke machine is empty...
+<Zagor> bagder: where are you now? Neti, con?
+<Bagder> neti
+<Zagor> ok
+<Bagder> they did buy my extra 300 hours, so I'm gonna be here for a while more...
+<Zagor> ok
+<Zagor> lucky you... ;-P
+<Bagder> haha
+<Bagder> at least I'm gonna be working entirely on linux this time
+<Zagor> ok, that's nice
+--- Bagder gives channel operator status to Zagor
+<Bagder> gotta go
+<Bagder> see ya
+<Zagor> ok, bye
+**** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 25 16:50:01 2002